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	<title>Comments on: The Chevy Volt&#8217;s All Electric Range (AER) Will be 40 Miles Both at Beginning and End of Life</title>
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		<title>By: Herm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--I am sure that a dealer or a repair shop will be more than willing to test your batteries to make sure they are in good shape before you buy, just as they do today for a used car.---

Very hard to impossible to test a lithium battery for remaining life.. it usually either works or does not, it may be on the last 20% of remaining cycles and you will not know it. Hopefully GM will make the pack tamper proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;I am sure that a dealer or a repair shop will be more than willing to test your batteries to make sure they are in good shape before you buy, just as they do today for a used car.&#8212;</p>
<p>Very hard to impossible to test a lithium battery for remaining life.. it usually either works or does not, it may be on the last 20% of remaining cycles and you will not know it. Hopefully GM will make the pack tamper proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7
“There will be a hack for this in short order. Which means that buying a used volt will be a very serious risk”

I am sure that a dealer or a repair shop will be more than willing to test your batteries to make sure they are in good shape before you buy, just as they do today for a used car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7<br />
“There will be a hack for this in short order. Which means that buying a used volt will be a very serious risk”</p>
<p>I am sure that a dealer or a repair shop will be more than willing to test your batteries to make sure they are in good shape before you buy, just as they do today for a used car.</p>
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		<title>By: GSP</title>
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		<dc:creator>GSP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statik said: 

&quot;Good article Lyle,

It would be interesting to understand the inner workings of how exactly it gives out the same approximate range from beginning to end. I guess that means it expands pack usage over time, but I wonder if this expansion comes from data on charge cycles, linear usage or real-world practical performance metrics

It would seem they are really trying to optimize the life of this battery, I wonder if that is out of a true desire for efficiency or a serious concern about the viability of the pack over time.

I will also note this statement with a little concern, “So that fact whether its 38.2 miles or 40.2 miles when you’re out of electric range….” is the first time I have ever heard any number but 40 from GM, and we are talking potentially on the very first use. 

It sounds like my Volt out of the box might not be getting 40 miles.&quot;

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I agree, another 5 star article from Lyle.  He is so good at cutting thru the BS and getting good info straight from the original source.

I&#039;m just guessing (but I&#039;m pretty sure about this guess) that GM will program the Battery Controller so that you always get enough energy required to drive 40 miles *on the EPA prescribed drive cycle* (say 8 kWh, or whatever the exact figure is).  The battery could give more than that when new, but not giving more energy extends the battery life.  And it is very important to get maximum battery life!  

Now, if you drive exactly like the EPA, you get 40 miles.  If you drive more carefully, you can go more miles on the allocated kWh of energy.  If you drive like I do, it takes more energy to go 40 miles, so the engine will kick on before I get 40 mi.  :-)

BTY, I really enjoy reading your posts here at GM-VOLT.

GSP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statik said: </p>
<p>&#8220;Good article Lyle,</p>
<p>It would be interesting to understand the inner workings of how exactly it gives out the same approximate range from beginning to end. I guess that means it expands pack usage over time, but I wonder if this expansion comes from data on charge cycles, linear usage or real-world practical performance metrics</p>
<p>It would seem they are really trying to optimize the life of this battery, I wonder if that is out of a true desire for efficiency or a serious concern about the viability of the pack over time.</p>
<p>I will also note this statement with a little concern, “So that fact whether its 38.2 miles or 40.2 miles when you’re out of electric range….” is the first time I have ever heard any number but 40 from GM, and we are talking potentially on the very first use. </p>
<p>It sounds like my Volt out of the box might not be getting 40 miles.&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I agree, another 5 star article from Lyle.  He is so good at cutting thru the BS and getting good info straight from the original source.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just guessing (but I&#8217;m pretty sure about this guess) that GM will program the Battery Controller so that you always get enough energy required to drive 40 miles *on the EPA prescribed drive cycle* (say 8 kWh, or whatever the exact figure is).  The battery could give more than that when new, but not giving more energy extends the battery life.  And it is very important to get maximum battery life!  </p>
<p>Now, if you drive exactly like the EPA, you get 40 miles.  If you drive more carefully, you can go more miles on the allocated kWh of energy.  If you drive like I do, it takes more energy to go 40 miles, so the engine will kick on before I get 40 mi.  <img src='http://gm-volt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>BTY, I really enjoy reading your posts here at GM-VOLT.</p>
<p>GSP</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#100 Grizzly

Agreed. In fact I think I&#039;ll splurge and put in two gallons.  :)</description>
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<p>Agreed. In fact I think I&#8217;ll splurge and put in two gallons.  <img src='http://gm-volt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Grizzly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RB  #79

&quot;But I’ll live with it and realize that it is good that the Volt is an E-REV rather than a BEV.&quot;

*** *** ***

Yes, you have two energy sources in the Volt.  Your current car has only 1 unless it&#039;s a hybrid like the Prius.   I&#039;m just not sure why people are always looking for a safety net against their own miscalculations and poor judgment.   How difficult is it to keep a gallon of gas in the tank which will give you 50 miles, or enough to get to almost any gas station?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RB  #79</p>
<p>&#8220;But I’ll live with it and realize that it is good that the Volt is an E-REV rather than a BEV.&#8221;</p>
<p>*** *** ***</p>
<p>Yes, you have two energy sources in the Volt.  Your current car has only 1 unless it&#8217;s a hybrid like the Prius.   I&#8217;m just not sure why people are always looking for a safety net against their own miscalculations and poor judgment.   How difficult is it to keep a gallon of gas in the tank which will give you 50 miles, or enough to get to almost any gas station?</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the garble in the previous post #98.  The first part of the first sentence &quot;I&#039;m thinking (like &quot;  should not be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the garble in the previous post #98.  The first part of the first sentence &#8220;I&#8217;m thinking (like &#8221;  should not be there.</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#81 JEC on city/hwy mileage
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Agree generally. 
Maybe half as much AER at 60 mph than at 30 mph.

I&#039;m thinking (like I think that aerodynamic drag forces may be equal to all other drag forces (such as rolling resistance) at 30 mph, and the aerodynamic drag increasing by a factor of four between 30 and 60 mph.  Things are of course complicated by the different start/stop patterns between city and hwy, but presumably the regenerative braking diminishes that aspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#81 JEC on city/hwy mileage<br />
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<p>Agree generally.<br />
Maybe half as much AER at 60 mph than at 30 mph.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking (like I think that aerodynamic drag forces may be equal to all other drag forces (such as rolling resistance) at 30 mph, and the aerodynamic drag increasing by a factor of four between 30 and 60 mph.  Things are of course complicated by the different start/stop patterns between city and hwy, but presumably the regenerative braking diminishes that aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyle, you can see that we are all hungary for more technical info like this! Next time you speak to this guy, find out if it&#039;s 40 miles AER no matter what ... city, highway, mixed, Pike&#039;s Peak ...

OK, maybe not Pike&#039;s Peak. That would be asking too much.

&quot;Easy&quot; to do 40 every time. Just provide more than enough battery storage to:
1. cover off warranty related battery aging, and 
2. 40 miles AER no matter what (almost), and
3. start the meter running when the batteries are full,
and then turn on the ICE at 40 miles every time, or some minimum SOC whichever comes first. Presumably the design would comfortably hit 40 miles first most times under a wide variety of driving conditions.

Per #21, the CDP just slowly creeps down over the life of the car to some minimum. After that minimum is reached, say after 3650 full charge cycles, it would be held, and the 40 mile AER number will start to creep down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle, you can see that we are all hungary for more technical info like this! Next time you speak to this guy, find out if it&#8217;s 40 miles AER no matter what &#8230; city, highway, mixed, Pike&#8217;s Peak &#8230;</p>
<p>OK, maybe not Pike&#8217;s Peak. That would be asking too much.</p>
<p>&#8220;Easy&#8221; to do 40 every time. Just provide more than enough battery storage to:<br />
1. cover off warranty related battery aging, and<br />
2. 40 miles AER no matter what (almost), and<br />
3. start the meter running when the batteries are full,<br />
and then turn on the ICE at 40 miles every time, or some minimum SOC whichever comes first. Presumably the design would comfortably hit 40 miles first most times under a wide variety of driving conditions.</p>
<p>Per #21, the CDP just slowly creeps down over the life of the car to some minimum. After that minimum is reached, say after 3650 full charge cycles, it would be held, and the 40 mile AER number will start to creep down.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if they are going to use a wear leveling system similar to Solid State distk drives. That would make the most sense and would cause the pack to run at maximum efficiency until the day it dies. At which time it will fail all at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if they are going to use a wear leveling system similar to Solid State distk drives. That would make the most sense and would cause the pack to run at maximum efficiency until the day it dies. At which time it will fail all at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The oil problem is in our hands the same as the drug problem on the boarder in Mexico, it&#039;s up to us to stop using them and the problem goes away


NO PLUG NO DRUGS NO SALE NO WAY  =D-------</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The oil problem is in our hands the same as the drug problem on the boarder in Mexico, it&#8217;s up to us to stop using them and the problem goes away</p>
<p>NO PLUG NO DRUGS NO SALE NO WAY  =D&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
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