Oct 27

Update From EEStor CEO Richard Weir: No EESU Delivery in 2008

 

Many here are familiar with a secretive Texas company called EEStor.

The company was founded and is led by Dr. Richard Weir who has patented a specialized ultracapacitor called the EESU. The technology uses a barium titanate powder and is theoretically able to store 52 kwh in a 336 pound package. Also, the technology is less expensive to produce than lithium-ion batteries and has a functionally unlimited lifetime.

If verified and commercialized, the technology has the theoretical potential to leapfrog lithium-ion and rapidly revolutionize the automotive industry.

EEStor has VC funding and partial ownership by ZENN Motors. In a previous interview with ZENN’s CEO Ian Clifford he advised us that production-grade EESUs were to be shipped by the end of 2008 (see post).

I figured this was reasonable time to see if I could find out the status of that, and fortuitously, despite a policy against interviews, received a response from Richard Weir himself.

His comment:

As we have provided certified information on EEStor, Inc. this information certain indicates the excellent progress that we are making.

As we stated in the beginning of 2008, properly funded EEStor, Inc. would anticipate in being in production status late in 2008.

The funding that we did receive was not sufficient to meet the production status late in 2008 but as identified by our last news release, EEStor, Inc. has made excellent progress with that level of funding.

EEStor, Inc. has secured a contract with Light Electric Vehicles, Inc. and this has allowed EEStor, Inc. to expedite or progress toward a production status.

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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:15 am)

    Yet more evidence that there’s no “there” there.

    EEStor = classic traits of a scam.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:21 am)

    It’ll be interesting to see whether ultracapacitors or li-ion batteries with carbon/silicon nanotube technology (or some other techonology) will be dominant in E-REVs in ten or fifteen years. I think amazing things will happen, in any event.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:26 am)

    Now, why does this not come as a surprise?


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:29 am)

    Nooooooooooooooo

    You’re kidding!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:32 am)

    “EEStor, Inc. has secured a contract with Light Electric Vehicles, Inc. and this has allowed EEStor, Inc. to expedite or progress toward a production status.”

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    So, does this mean an additional “automaker” besides ZENN or does this now replace ZENN? What does the people at ZENN say about this little news item? Lyle, I hope you are talking to them now. Way to go on staying up to date on the EEStor story. I really do wish them luck, but it sure seems they keep pulling our leg about their technology.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:39 am)

    More stalling and excuses. Same old news. Why do we even follow
    this story. Next update should come when it’s actually realized!
    Stop giving them free press.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:40 am)

    Whatever the technology is we can’t wait, the bridge between now and then is to costly to our nation in security, economy and the environment, EESTOR sounds to good to be true so it probably isn’t

    NO PLUG, NO SALE, NO WAY, NOBAMA ,=D—-$00.00 (free ride)


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:41 am)

    Light Electric vehicles has the license for two and three wheeled vehicles. They make electric bikes!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:45 am)

    surprise! surprise!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:47 am)

    I wonder if Mr. Weir is at all a descendant of civil war General George McClellan. Their modus operandi is exactly the same. More time, more money, more preparation .. no, we can’t act just yet, but soon ..

    I wonder just how much money Light Electric Vehicles has given them, and when they expect to receive, you know, an actual *return* on their investment ..

    I wonder, when EEStor fails to achieve ‘production status’ with this new funding, where the next cash infusion is going to come from ..


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:52 am)

    No surprise here…


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:53 am)

    What is the level of deception that resides below the vaporware level? It’s like they aren’t even trying anymore.

    I’m sure that LEV gave them the 3 or 4 hundred dollars they had in their coffers.. enough to fund a press release about more ‘delays’.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:57 am)

    From the article: “The technology uses a barium titanate powder and is theoretically able to store 52 kwh in a 336 pound package.”
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    I would much rather have 20 kwH in a 127 pound package, plus a gas/E85 range extender. That would produce around 60 miles of all-electric range.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (11:58 am)

    #10 JimGalaxy:
    I wonder if Mr. Weir is at all a descendant of civil war General George McClellan. Their modus operandi is exactly the same. More time, more money, more preparation .. no, we can’t act just yet, but soon ..
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    Classic!! gm-volt.com eye candy!

    The aforementioned pebble in Lincoln’s shoe surely had better grammar, though. Tsk, tsk.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:06 pm)

    They human they have cloned will be personally delivering the product soon. Very soon. When the time is right.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:07 pm)

    What about the Graphene ultracapacitor that just had a breakthrough??

    EEstor still seems kind of shady to me & I’m wondering if they can actually deliver anywhere near what they’re claiming.

    http://www.dailytech.com/Carbon+Breakthrough+Promises+Better+Solar+Wind+Storage/article12984.htm


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:09 pm)

    I remain hopeful that EEStor will one day deliver an EESU as claimed. But, of course there are those who claim I’m the eternal optimist!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:15 pm)

    From the article:
    The funding that we did receive was not sufficient to meet the production status late in 2008 but as identified by our last news release, EEStor, Inc. has made excellent progress with that level of funding.
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    Huh?

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    EESTOR. Guys. You are being too harsh. Remember, this technology is just around the corner…………………….NOT!

    EESTOR: I will believe it when I see it.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:18 pm)

    Sounds like cow manure to me. Don’t waist too much time pursuing answers from EEStor, Inc.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:22 pm)

    EEScam (formely EEStor)


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:26 pm)

    I bet the same people who doubt EEStor’s claims are the same people who doubt cold-fusion. For all of us who hate reality and prefer supernatural power solutions, GO EEStor.

    Seriously though, I could imagine a supercapacitor being used to store the electricity from braking. Just storing a few % of the total battery capacity, but cycling hundreds of thousands of times. It could also help reduce the peak load on the battery during hard accelerations.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:31 pm)

    All we need here folks is a publicly traded company, a few emails from the Energy Bull, and a couple of individuals with stock options…presto, a couple of overnight billionaires.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:32 pm)

    “As we have provided certified information on EEStor, Inc. …The funding that we did receive was not sufficient to meet the production status…”

    They claim their ultracap is a revolutionary product with certified information. Yet, they can’t get funding for it. Who wouldn’t fund something so important? If I had the solution that allows a quantum leap in commercial technology, I’ll bet I could get it funded.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:32 pm)

    The theory behind an ultracapacitor replacing batteries seems fairly sound, they just need to be able to hold a large enough charge to actually be useful……

    And every piece of electronics you own has tons of capacitors & other than the electrolytic caps, they almost NEVER have to be replaced, & they’re constantly charging & discharging.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:36 pm)

    It is interesting that his writing skills are pretty bad…..similar to a 7th grade education. It’s cryptic and almost unintelligible. He says nothing but what he does say tells me that there isn’t anything to sell…..it sure smells of a scam….


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:39 pm)

    Too much shade to see if this company has any truth to it. I’m leaning with the doubters.

    If they have such a revolutionary product and are having trouble getting funding, why not put on a demonstration?

    You want funding, show me what you’ve got that’ll give me a good return for my money. I don’t need to know what’s inside. I just need to know that it really works or that EEStore is even close to making it work.

    So far we’ve seen little to nothing.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:42 pm)

    #16)

    I found it interesting that the link you had specifically talked about the volt using these ultra capitators. Seems like a long way off to me though….if ever.

    NPNS


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:50 pm)

    Why are there spelling/grammar errors in Richard Weir’s post?


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:53 pm)

    Don’t you think we’d see this technology in something like a flashlight before it was put up against the regulation, safety requirements, and analysis of the transportation industry? I’m waiting until I see it in production SOMEWHERE before I believe they actually have something. They say it’ll scale up or down to any size, so where’s the small version?


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (12:53 pm)

    It is strange that they need funding for production before even showing a functional prototype. That would be like A123 or LG saying GM give us a full contract to the Volt and then we will provide the battery prototype. If it was real technology they could show a working prototype and then they would have VC and other companies at the door with more cash then they would ever need.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:04 pm)

    this information certain indicates the excellent progress that we are making.

    ……. this use of the word EXCELLENT is out of place. It is the type of thing you see with misrepresentation. We’ll see.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:06 pm)

    “And every piece of electronics you own has tons of capacitors & other than the electrolytic caps, they almost NEVER have to be replaced, & they’re constantly charging & discharging.”

    In my experience, capacitors are one of the largest failure items in electronics. Remember the MLC fiasco? How about tin whiskers? Tantalums? And like you said, electrolytics are the first things to fail.

    EEStor sounds interesting, at least in theory. By the time they finally have a product lithium ions will have caught up to, or exceeded, their capacity though.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:08 pm)

    I am saddened my the pessimism some of you people here at GM-Volt are displaying in this thread.

    Clearly this deadline has not been missed at all, they are just playing possum and will surprise us all by year end. If you don’t have anything positive to say….

    /ah heck…big surprise, lol. Off with their heads!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:09 pm)

    From the article: “The technology uses a barium titanate powder and is theoretically able to store 52 kwh in a 336 pound package.”
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    I would much rather have 20 kwH in a 127 pound package, plus a gas/E85 range extender. That would produce around 60 miles of all-electric range.

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    If a practical ultra capacitor could ever be built range extenders would be obsolete. You could get a 150 mile range for less weight than a small ICE. And with high voltage chargers at what used to be gas stations, you could recharge in minutes.

    I wish it were true. My next post will be about the energy conservation advantage of time travel.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:15 pm)

    I wonder if GM or somebody will combine the best attributes of ultracapacitors and batteries into one unit. That’s what I’d like to see. Hopefully, we’d have the ability to quick charge in 10 minutes very safely and still have all the all electric range and performance we expect.

    In the coming years, if necessary, add a (hopefully) inexpensive, lightweight, super efficient “free-piston engine” as the range extender for long trips where you can’t find a plug, etc. Make that “free-piston engine” able to run on almost ANY kind of liquid fuel and we’re all set. No more dependence on OPEC and Big Oil and all the benefits that will come from that.

    http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21442/page1/

    I hear that ALGAE based fuels might actually be THE best liquid fuel alternative to oil-based gasoline. This company that Bill Gates is investing in says they can make “bio-gasoline” out of algae.

    http://www.sapphireenergy.com/

    Like all the other fuels, it’s expensive to do it now but if these algae fuel companies have some big breakthroughs and prove they can make bio-gasoline or bio-butanol as cheap as regular oil based gasoline, we have found the perfect fuel to get us to the point in the future where cheaper hydrogen fuel cells and ultra advanced batteries can eliminate the need for liquid fuels and internal combustion engines.

    The advantage of algae based fuels over cellulosic ethanol is that it requires a LOT less land and a lot less water to make it. You can grow algae almost anywhere … in enclosed containers, in waste water or even ocean water I hear. Algae just need CO2, sunlight (or sugar) and it’ll grow like crazy very fast. Extract the oil out of the pond scum (algae) and you have some “green crude” that they can make into bio-gasoline or bio-butanol. Both of these liquid fuels can travel through the same pipelines that gasoline does right now … unlike ethanol which has to travel by train, etc.

    http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/09/24/toyota-sustainable-mobility-seminar-morning-sessions-continued/

    http://www.fuelsandenergy.com/presentations/092208_TMC_LCA_PDXa.pps


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:17 pm)

    In Lyle’s post, the picture is of what?

    Yes, I know, a metal box with some connectors.
    But what is supposed to be inside?
    An EEStor capacitor?
    A rabbit? ;)
    Lunch? :)

    No matter what you think, I am not making fun of this device.
    I take it very very seriously.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:19 pm)

    I wonder if GM or somebody will combine the best attributes of ultracapacitors and batteries into one unit. That’s what I’d like to see. Hopefully, we’d have the ability to quick charge in 10 minutes very safely and still have all the all electric range and performance we expect.

    In the coming years, if necessary, add a (hopefully) inexpensive, lightweight, super efficient “free-piston engine” as the range extender for long trips where you can’t find a plug, etc. Make that “free-piston engine” able to run on almost ANY kind of liquid fuel and we’re all set. No more dependence on OPEC and Big Oil and all the benefits that will come from that.

    http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21442/page1/

    I hear that ALGAE based fuels might actually be THE best liquid fuel alternative to oil-based gasoline. This company called Sapphire Energy that Bill Gates is investing in says they can make “bio-gasoline” out of algae.

    Like all the other fuels, it’s expensive to do it now but if these algae fuel companies have some big breakthroughs and prove they can make bio-gasoline or bio-butanol as cheap as regular oil based gasoline, we have found the perfect fuel to get us to the point in the future where cheaper hydrogen fuel cells and ultra advanced batteries can eliminate the need for liquid fuels and internal combustion engines.

    The advantage of algae based fuels over cellulosic ethanol is that it requires a LOT less land and a lot less water to make it. You can grow algae almost anywhere … in enclosed containers, in waste water or even ocean water I hear. Algae just need CO2, sunlight (or sugar) and it’ll grow like crazy very fast. Extract the oil out of the pond scum (algae) and you have some “green crude” that they can make into bio-gasoline or bio-butanol. Both of these liquid fuels can travel through the same pipelines that gasoline does right now … unlike ethanol which has to travel by train, etc.

    http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/09/24/toyota-sustainable-mobility-seminar-morning-sessions-continued/

    http://www.fuelsandenergy.com/presentations/092208_TMC_LCA_PDXa.pps


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:20 pm)

    I wonder if GM or somebody will combine the best attributes of ultracapacitors and batteries into one unit. That’s what I’d like to see. Hopefully, we’d have the ability to quick charge in 10 minutes very safely and still have all the all electric range and performance we expect.

    In the coming years, if necessary, add a (hopefully) inexpensive, lightweight, super efficient “free-piston engine” as the range extender for long trips where you can’t find a plug, etc. Make that “free-piston engine” able to run on almost ANY kind of liquid fuel and we’re all set. No more dependence on OPEC and Big Oil and all the benefits that will come from that.

    http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21442/page1/

    I hear that ALGAE based fuels might actually be THE best liquid fuel alternative to oil-based gasoline. This company called Sapphire Energy that Bill Gates is investing in says they can make “bio-gasoline” out of algae.

    Like all the other fuels, it’s expensive to do it now but if these algae fuel companies have some big breakthroughs and prove they can make bio-gasoline or bio-butanol as cheap as regular oil based gasoline, we have found the perfect fuel to get us to the point in the future where cheaper hydrogen fuel cells and ultra advanced batteries can eliminate the need for liquid fuels and internal combustion engines.

    The advantage of algae based fuels over cellulosic ethanol is that it requires a LOT less land and a lot less water to make it. You can grow algae almost anywhere … in enclosed containers, in waste water or even ocean water I hear. Algae just need CO2, sunlight (or sugar) and it’ll grow like crazy very fast. Extract the oil out of the pond scum (algae) and you have some “green crude” that they can make into bio-gasoline or bio-butanol. Both of these liquid fuels can travel through the same pipelines that gasoline does right now … unlike ethanol which has to travel by train, etc.

    http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/09/24/toyota-sustainable-mobility-seminar-morning-sessions-continued/


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:22 pm)

    I wonder if GM or somebody will combine the best attributes of ultracapacitors and batteries into one unit. That’s what I’d like to see. Hopefully, we’d have the ability to quick charge in 10 minutes very safely and still have all the all electric range and performance we expect.

    In the coming years, if necessary, add a (hopefully) inexpensive, lightweight, super efficient “free-piston engine” as the range extender for long trips where you can’t find a plug, etc. Make that “free-piston engine” able to run on almost ANY kind of liquid fuel and we’re all set. No more dependence on OPEC and Big Oil and all the benefits that will come from that.

    http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21442/page1/

    I hear that ALGAE based fuels might actually be THE best liquid fuel alternative to oil-based gasoline. This company that Bill Gates is investing in says they can make “bio-gasoline” out of algae.

    http://www.sapphireenergy.com/

    Like all the other fuels, it’s expensive to do it now but if these algae fuel companies have some big breakthroughs and prove they can make bio-gasoline or bio-butanol as cheap as regular oil based gasoline, we have found the perfect fuel to get us to the point in the future where cheaper hydrogen fuel cells and ultra advanced batteries can eliminate the need for liquid fuels and internal combustion engines.

    The advantage of algae based fuels over cellulosic ethanol is that it requires a LOT less land and a lot less water to make it. You can grow algae almost anywhere … in enclosed containers, in waste water or even ocean water I hear. Algae just need CO2, sunlight (or sugar) and it’ll grow like crazy very fast. Extract the oil out of the pond scum (algae) and you have some “green crude” that they can make into bio-gasoline or bio-butanol. Both of these liquid fuels can travel through the same pipelines that gasoline does right now … unlike ethanol which has to travel by train, etc.

    http://www.fuelsandenergy.com/presentations/092208_TMC_LCA_PDXa.pps


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:28 pm)

    BINGO! I was waiting for the delay statement. I just love EEscam’s excuse. He said they didn’t have enough funding. What a friggen scam. He could have all the investment in the world if he just showed one crude prototype cap. Anything even 50% of what they claimed would change the world. Heck, Even Rush L. would invest in that. That has to go down as the dumbest excuse for a scam yet. Truly idiotic.

    Sorry to tell everyone here that is holding their breath for this technology, but it’s not coming. Not next year. No way. Think about it. First they need a component that works and that they can produce in volume. Next then need to design a energy storage system that includes management systems, charging systems, system software, process development, etc. All the steps needed to deliver an automotive quality system for volume deployment.

    They don’t even have one working cap. Without that you cannot justify spending millions of dollars on a production line that will produce a complete system for a vendor. What if the cap doesn’t work and they need to make some modifications? Do they then toss all of the volume production machines and start again? If they did this they would truly be morons. If they were doing parallel development to get the product out quickly that is something else. However, that would require massive investment capital like government money or funding from a parent company like GM ( like doing parallel development with the Volt).

    It just does not make sense what EEscam is doing unless you consider the whole operation to be a scam. It just smells funny, in a nasty, old shoe kind of way. EEscam, If you are doing anything criminal I hope you see justice. If you are truly working your butts off and honestly are close and have secrete prototypes that justify your actions then I will get on my knees and apologize. Until then I will point out to people how damaging your actions are and how it might even slow down development in legitimate technologies because people may say that your technology is right around the corner. Thus, why invest in lithium-ion or silicon nanowire technology? See how this can be hurtful to the entire cause? Shame on you!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:38 pm)

    P.S. Any machine shop could make that “heatsink” out of aluminum in a day or so. Heck, give a starving student a few hundred bucks and some blocks of aluminum and they can whip that out in the university’s machine shop over a weekend.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:44 pm)

    The usual skeptics are around, but I don’t need to believe Weir :
    if Lockheed-Martin, etc. etc. all believe in this technology and have
    expressed confidence, I’ll go with their views, as they don’t have axes to grind like these conspiracy skeptics, who probably can’t spell the company’s name – they have zero credibility since they have zero inside information. To convince me I need some evidence, not idle speculation,especially when it comes from those who obviously are betting on LG and A123 System’s technology.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:49 pm)

    Oh and Richard Weir started this company in 2001. Seven years and not one prototype. Hummmm. Who actually thinks a working disruptive energy storage device will be in volume production next year?

    If they could have a 2nd party verify just one cap do you think they could get some funding? Unlimited funding? Yeah, so do I.

    Hey Richard, How about show us a cap? How about have NREL labs come over and test one out? I’m sure they would be more than happy to test one for you. That would get you all the funding you need. You could still stay quiet but you would have that credibility. The government would toss a few billion at you with no need to pay back!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (1:57 pm)

    Kent, thank you for your normal logic-free post. Yes, that’s all we all want – evidence! Even Lockheed-Martin admitted that they did not see a prototype. They got swept away, like we all did, with the nano romance. He sweet talked Lockheed-Martin, Zenn, us, and many others. He’s like the guy you hope your sister never gets involved in. The smooth talker – all flash and no substance. Scam artist and snake oil salesman.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:00 pm)

    Hey Lyle, what’s up with all the pop-ups on your site?


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:03 pm)

    The link below is what GM submitted for the LA Auto Show design challenge. It states that it is “Powered by Volt”. I wonder when that one is scheduled for production…. :P

    http://www.autobloggreen.com/photos/la-auto-show-design-challenge-motorsports-2025/1119827/


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:05 pm)

    LockMart, et al, have never stated that they “believed in the technology”. They signed an international rights agreement to integrate and market the EESU. The two are not remotely similiar.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:11 pm)

    Capacitors CAN be usable power supplies, I have several lights that run off of them. However, the sort of capacity EEEstor makes would indeed be revolutionary…IF they would show some sort of working model. The Volt itself has mules, Fisker’s made a pre-production, GM itself has made a big deal of actually showing the batteries it will use. The reason for all this openness when secrecy is important in industry? If they can’t prove it can be done, no one will fund it to GET it done. I don’t know how EEE can get any VC funds right now. I wouldn’t give them a dime till I see proof.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:20 pm)

    #33 Statik

    I know it is you who are issuing all these negative and pessimistic comments about this posting. Come on, admit it. You are just using other peoples names and submitting all these pessimistic comments. Admit it. HeHe…..

    Does kind of look like we have a lot of little want to be Statiks today.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:27 pm)

    Treasury working on aid for GM, Chrysler merger

    http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN2733192120081027?rpc=44

    “People briefed on the merger discussions have previously said GM would need a minimum of $5 billion to start restructuring Chrysler’s operations. The total amount needed could reach $10 billion, the sources have said.”

    The merger talk may have gone past the point of no return…


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:30 pm)

    Always wondered why they are wasting this technology on ZENN Motors when the potential for use in a mass produced EV would be sooo much better.

    Sounds like another Carl Tilley spin.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:39 pm)

    I have seen this type capasitor in toys they charge fast and discharge about 99% of the charge . The problem is making them into a larger capasity and voltage size . I like options the more the better the chance to have true viability .

    God Bless

    Edwin Mang Jr.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:40 pm)

    Can’t post links to the Pininfarina-Bollore B0 Electric Car. Google it. This car is worth looking at. Available in fall of 2010.

    This car uses capicators and batteries.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:53 pm)

    “The funding that we did receive was not sufficient to meet the production status late in 2008 but as identified by our last news release, EEStor, Inc. has made excellent progress with that level of funding.”

    click link below to view the progress:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Emperor_Clothes_01.jpg


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (2:58 pm)

    About 100 years ago there was this company that was working on a revolutionary technology. They built a few prototypes but they didn’t show them to anybody. They were very shy of the press and were very worried that someone was going to steal their ideas. They took their claims to several investors and were rebuffed because they wouldn’t demonstrate their creation. They took this as an affront on their character and thought that the investors were calling them lairs.

    The top scientists of the day had attempted to do what this company claimed and failed spectacularly. It was pretty much agreed that the company’s claims were bogus.

    Eventually, the Wright brothers did demonstrate their flying machine and the rest is history. Thus the exception that proves the rule. Most of the time when this happens it is either a scam or the developers are deluding themselves as well as their investors.

    I’m not saying that EESTOR is real nor am I saying that it is a scam. The company has reported very little publicly and said little more than “We have this idea. We think it will work and well let you know later.” From what I’ve been able to tell, they haven’t shopped their technology around all that much either. The number of investors that they have signed up is very small. I have heard, from postings on the web and such, that it is pretty hard to invest in EESTOR even if you have you are willing to take the risk. If they aren’t trying to take your money how can it be a scam?


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (3:00 pm)

    I don’t think Richard Weir’s statement is as bad as you folks think it is. Everyone is having financial problems getting loans due to the scammers on wall street. EESTOR is a small company and needs financing like everyone else. If they had made this statement during good financial times then I would be a lot more suspicious.
    We’ll just have to wait and see. You can bet others are looking to develop what they supposedly have. Other articles (Dr. Li Cui) suggest that this sort of thing is coming.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (3:01 pm)

    Lockheed as pointed out, may simply have contracted to put a lean on the underlying patent. If the barium titanate has ANY potential, the Lockheed agreement can wrap it up for a good long while.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (3:06 pm)

    “the technology is less expensive to produce than lithium-ion batteries and has a functionally unlimited lifetime”

    Assuming EEStor actually has the technology to make what they think they can make, this is the part that scares me that we’d actually see the technology make it to market…. our whole economy for almost 100 years is based on “planned obsolescence”. There have been other startup automakers who have had either better technology (Tucker) and/or much long lasting technology (DeLorean’s stainless steel), that the bigger companies will try to bury or make go away. The promise of cheaper to produce yet unlimited lifetime is not a great combination for a business in the long run. After you reach market saturation who do you sell to then? Remember one of the reasons the auto companies helped kill the ZEV mandate was because with 90% fewer moving parts, post-sale revenue from parts and service would be reduced substantially. Currently auto dealers make more money on parts and service than they do on new (or used) car sales.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (3:09 pm)

    I skimmed down the comments trying to see if this got covered. I’m a fan of Eestor and the proposed technology and an investor and supporter of Zenn, so this is not coming from somebody who wants the whole thing to tank. However, what DW clearly said was they were out of money and sold the last exclusive they had to the electric bicycle company to keep the doors open, or closed, as the case may be. This is sigificant because it means they have not shown sufficient progress to their venture funder or their other two pricnicple investors, Lockheed Martin or Zenn to get more money from them. We don’t know how much funding they got from LightEV’s, but “LightEV’s” is just a guy, afterall, so it is difficult to imagine it was more than $1M. I think it more likely it was in the hundreds of thousands, meaning Eestor has to meet a milestone and trigger some payments from its investors in the next few months to continue, or it is over, unless somebody just kicks in. This is fourth and long for Eestor. Good luck, Mr. Weir. Sincerely.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (3:19 pm)

    #56 maha,

    IMO straight from R&D to production with no prototype = scam (at the very least, foolish over optimism and incompetence)

    but hey, it’s not my money or my tax dollars, . . . . . say wait a minute, Lockheed Martin- defense contractor – tax dollars . . . . . ah crap.

    The other problem is that eestor is a distraction. i.e. Why even waste time or money on existing/evolving battery technology when the magical super cap is just around the corner?


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (3:22 pm)

    “In Lyle’s post, the picture is of what?”

    It is a special supercapacitor made by someone else, I think Maxwell


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (3:26 pm)

    #56 (Ed M) … yea, I was going to say the same thing. The other day Lyle post a thread that GM may be forced into delaying the Volt for the same reasons.

    Regarding ZENN… if I recall, ZENN doesn’t plan to build cars themselves, but to sell drive-train components?

    A 52kwh unit, and with ultracaps I believe that would be almost all usable capacity (unlike the Volt only using 8kwh of a 16kwh unit), in the Volt that would (if this device existed) give the Volt a battery only range 6.5 times what the 1st generation does… that would be 260 city… it would actually probably be more than that as I think 336 pounds is lighter than the Li-Ion pack, in addition in fast breaking/deceleration the EEStor device, being a supercap, can capture (store) more of that regenerative energy, thus increasing range even more. Plus the Volt could easily be a 5 seater!!! Even more weight can be shed giving more range by getting rid of the onboard generator (range extender)…

    260 miles should be more than enough for 99.9% of commuters! Even for a weekend trip that is more than enough for me! For much longer trips, build it (fast recharge stations) and they will come… as has been mentioned in other threads, if this EEStor or other supercap technology ever becomes a reality, recharge stations could use these same devices to charge up EEStor devices off 220V, and then use the EEstor device to recharge the on vehicle device.

    Still sounds too good to be true, so like many others, I’m still in the camp of believing it when I see it… and just hope someday it’s true.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (3:27 pm)

    #61 CapMan,

    What picture? ;)

    / ref post #54


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (3:37 pm)

    #45 Kyle S;

    Really! Very annoying.

    #46 Aspherical:

    One might think that people who were burning up $1 billion a month, and looking at the imminent peril of bankruptcy, would have better things to do. Interesting though that #66 was Jim Hall’s old number on the Chaparrals. At least someone has a bit of a sense of history.

    #53 N Riley:

    Yeah, that’s what makes me think that there might be something to this capacitor deal. They are evidently sourcing the capacitors from an old and respected European electical company, not Eestor. Likewise, Pininfarina has a bit more ot a track record and credibility than Zenn! So, who knows?


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (3:37 pm)

    Market kind of crapped out at the end of the day…and GM didn’t do so well being cut by Moody’s and S&P reiterating its sell rating…but gas did drop another couple bucks…down at around $62 now, so thats not too bad.

    Just curious, I haven’t been following the action closely the last 24 hours…did we lose the EDIT comments ability on the forum? If so, I will apologize ahead of time for my grammar and spelling.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:02 pm)

    EEStor sounds similar to the Tilley foundation of a few years ago. Carl B. Tilley, founder of the Tilley Foundation, claimed to build an electric car the self charged, requiring no external charging system and could be driven indefinitely on a simple car battery. He even converted a Delorean with his magic black box static electricity generator and gave a demonstration. Unfortunately the car broke down with a failed wheel bearing early in the test and this devistating break down caused the test to be cancelled. Seems none of the Tilley engineers knew how to fix a breakdown that any 16 year old in an auto shop class could repair in an hour. Search the internet for “Tilley Foundation” or “Carl B. Tilley”. The whole story is a hoot!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:03 pm)

    #65 statik

    No, edit is still here for me. Assume same for all.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:08 pm)

    #64 Noel Park

    I tried including some links to different sites that discussed the Pininfarina electric car, but this site said I was posting spam. Not sure why, sure was not any spam I could see. More spam in the advertising on this site than I like, but don’t see it being rejected. Not meaning Lyle shouldn’t use advertising. He should and I hope he is making some money on it. Any who… The Pininfarina car looks really good. It will give some good competition to similar vehicles, assuming the pricing is in line.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:10 pm)

    Mainly I feel sorry for Light Electric Vehicles and Zenn for pumping the limited money those companies had into vaporware. Think of all the 25 MPH vehicles they need to sell in order to recoup that. On the plus side I bet congress is working on a bailout for them as we speak.

    “NEARLY USELESS EV LAST MINUTE BAILOUT” Throw a billion at each of them and I bet they’d go and blow it on EEstor then ask for more cash.

    - America to China – “These are better than cash, these are IOU’s. See this one right here… This is 2 billion dollars for 25 mph EV’s that got funneled into EEstor. Might wanna hold onto that one!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:19 pm)

    Surely Dick Weir could have as much money from investors as he wanted if he was prepared to dilute his own shareholding which might ultimately cause him to lose control of Eestor. I would certainly invest in Eestor if there was a way of doing so, though the modest sum I could afford would make little difference.

    The problem with the bad times is that there are a lot of good bargains to be picked up if you have ready cash – companies of proven profitability which just need a cash injection, so venture capitalists would expect to get a bigger share of a company for a given sum to make it worthwhile compared with the improved alternatives available to them. Perhaps DW had the required finance lined up for a dilution of the shares that was acceptable to him, then the credit crunch and banking crisis caused this to fall through.

    This is a disappointment, but hopefully just a short delay in getting Eestor units into production.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:19 pm)

    #65 N Riley says: No, edit is still here for me. Assume same for all.

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    Hrmm, I wonder why? I’m still IE6 on this computer, maybe that is it…although I could edit yesturday.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:25 pm)

    Texas #44 says,

    Kent, thank you for your normal logic-free post.

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    Gosh that was hilarious. Great sarcasm. I haven’t laughed that hard in a long while. I agree BTW.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:26 pm)

    @58 Jeff M,

    >> “…and has a functionally unlimited lifetime”
    >> After you reach market saturation who do you sell to then?

    You can relax and trust in the automakers. Let’s assume for a moment that EESUs turn out to be “the real deal.” Even if they’re completely bulletproof, there will still be (literally) a ton of other shoddy components included in all future automobiles. The future of planned obsolescence is safe and secure!

    EDIT: PS., editing is working for me. FWIW I’m using FireFox v3 here.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:30 pm)

    #71 Statik

    Maybe get out of the browser and come back in. Or re-boot the computer. This is Windows, after all. Re-booting sometimes is a requirement to straighten things out. I use Firefox. Editing works great and spell checker is built-in.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:33 pm)

    Statik, #71 Try using Firefox. No edit problems at all.

    Although I have experienced links I have posted being flagged as spam, just like N. Riley.

    Edit: Yup. The edit function works fine.

    Edit Edit: I should have read N Riley #74 before I posted this since I basically repeated what he said.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:36 pm)

    #75 Rashiid Amul

    I don’t think the spam problem was related to Firefox. Maybe the software doesn’t like some of the words in the links. Who really knows. Maybe it just doesn’t like our friend, Statik….. Nah, that could not be the problem. Everyone loves Statik. Especially you and I. Probably just a glitch.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:40 pm)

    #75 Rashiid Amul

    “Edit Edit: I should have read N Riley #74 before I posted this since I basically repeated what he said.”

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    Great minds think alike.

    Edit: Now, if we could just get Statik thinking like us……..


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:43 pm)

    Sorry, Statik. Could not pass up the opportunity to “:pick at you” some today. Have a great day, although it is almost over. Getting ready to go home. See ya………….


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:53 pm)

    Statik, I agree with you about the lack of “team spirit” regarding EESU! Yeah right. Just wanted to say hi, how’s the family, say hi to Dave K and sorry about the pen pal chat comment the other day. Must have been something I ate.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (4:58 pm)

    Being close to Halloween, it makes sense that we would hear from “Linus” in the EEStor “Pumpkin Patch”.

    You’ll see !
    You’ll see !
    “The Great Pumpkin is coming……….Soon ! ”

    Yeah, right.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (5:35 pm)

    #61 Capacitor Man
    ““In Lyle’s post, the picture is of what?”
    It is a special supercapacitor made by someone else, I think Maxwell”
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    thank you.


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    #78 N Riley

    Sorry, Statik. Could not pass up the opportunity to “:pick at you” some today. Have a great day, although it is almost over. Getting ready to go home. See ya………….
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    Heeh, thanks…I feel special.
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    #79 David

    Statik, I agree with you about the lack of “team spirit” regarding EESU! Yeah right. Just wanted to say hi, how’s the family, say hi to Dave K and sorry about the pen pal chat comment the other day. Must have been something I ate.
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    Hi…family is good. Took my son out for some swimming lessons, he is a ‘Sea Turtle.’ No problemo about the other day…you were ‘hot’ for the Volt news, lol. And now, I am off to give him a bath and put him to bed. Have a good one!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (6:11 pm)

    …oops, that last post was from me.

    Apparently the wife has been using this computer, forgot to clear her ID.

    /be nice to her…she is new here, lol.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (6:17 pm)

    anyone here work for a startup?

    Weir is doing what any truly successful ones do

    Get by on limited investors

    The investments are not blank checks. You get a certain dollar amount per month based on your burn rate. All of startup I have worked for tried to get by on as little vc money as possibl

    Remember 9 women cannot have a baby in 1 month

    It might just well take time to put together the assembly sub systems

    My bet is he found this formula for a capacitor while working on disk drive performance. Many discoveries have been made this way

    I think he can make 1 but can he make thousands?

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    Oct 27th, 2008 (6:57 pm)

    #84 tomatolord says
    “I think he can make 1 but can he make thousands?”
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    Maybe he could start with one and show it around, just for the fun of it, before beginning full scale production.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (7:17 pm)

    hi tomatolord # 84,

    “Remember 9 women cannot have a baby in 1 month…”

    _____________________________

    Chinese wisdom?

    Here’s something that I hope the crew here will find interesting. Chinese I CHING wisdom is a collection of advanced ideas and insights. The “I Ching”, which translates to Book of Changes, may be the oldest book of the earth dating to 3000 BC, the days of pyramid construction.

    It is interesting to see how these ancient ideas relate to the events and activities of today.

    Here are two examples:

    1> At the beginning of a project, if many boastful claims are made, the successful attainment of the goal becomes far more difficult.

    analysis: When no claims are put forward, no resistance arises. If you cultivate modesty, you will make swift, sure progress because no resentment will attach to you. If you remain modest despite your merit, you will be beloved and will win support necessary to carry out even difficult and dangerous undertakings. When you make boastful claims, even if you are moderately successful but fall short of your claim, people will say that you have failed.

    2> In financial matters, well being prevails when expenditures and income are in proportion.

    analysis: Out of debt; out of danger. Do not spend more than you have; credit enslaves. Since all periods of prosperity are followed by periods of decline, the superior prepare for the times of decline during times of prosperity. If you always spend all that you have, you will be unprepared in times of emergency. Such poor planning leads to destruction of well being and invites disaster.

    *note* examples were taken from the book “I Ching Wisdom” by Wu Wei

    =D~


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (7:22 pm)

    Sweet deal ! Richard Weir promises the amazing “Next Big Thing”. Then he goes around, tin cup in hand, begging for investors, while keeping his “Next Big Thing” tightly under wraps.

    “Can we see a demonstration? NO! Can we see a prototype? NO! Just a peek? NO! Can you tell us what color it is? NO! GET OUT, GET OUT GET OUT!!! Oh wait, here’s a full color EEStor investment brochure. Have a nice day!”

    And when Dr Weir cannot get any more sucke, errr, I mean investors to pony up more money, he closes up shop, and blames investor fear and paranonia for his failure to produce even one Ultracap. It’s the perfect crime – The scammer is portrayed as the victim, and the victims are portrayed as the bad guys. He’s good – he should move to Nigeria. They need help with their 419 scams.
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    BTW, I have 100 million dollars hidden in Iraq, but I need someone other than myself to receive the money. All you have to do is send $50,000.00 to cover the cost of bribing the military, and half of the 100 million can be yours. Email me at boyiamstupid@Nigerian419 dot com for all the details.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (7:29 pm)

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    I would love to be proved wrong. But seeing this companys record of
    Delay
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    Oct 27th, 2008 (7:52 pm)

    #29 Swards:
    Heck, not just where is the small version, where is the DEMO version?!? These guys told their investors that making a demo unit was basically unimportant and that the only important thing was making production units.

    That has always sounded pretty fishy, since it makes the tacit assumption that it’s a no-brainer to make an individual unit in the lab that works.

    Actually, it’s not a no brainer. The field strengths they’re talking about to get that kind of energy density cause a lot of different saturation behaviors in dielectric material. Capacitors are not my electrical engineering speciality, but I’d really want to see a demo unit before giving them any more money and any more attention than we’ve given them already.

    Nothing to see here for 2008. Let’s check back in what, maybe 6 months and see if there’s anything new by then? :)


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (8:36 pm)

    Anyone know Mr. Richard Weir’s background?


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (8:44 pm)

    This condenser probably does not exist. I have an 81 Delorean. There is no FLUX capacitor, is not nuclear but has hybrid of Volvo, Renault and Peaugot (however they spell it), not electric but a slow smokey 6 cylinder of 130HP but cool looking. Tilley was a fake and a thief. Show me this EEStor but don’t waste my time.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (9:03 pm)

    What a surprise…what a surprise. Eestor will miss another milestone. How many people really ever believee that his product will be in Zenn vehicles by the end of 2009?


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (9:04 pm)

    Off topic.

    Not sure I agree, but it’s an interesting angle.

    Oil, House Prices, Credit? Three parts of the same story
    http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/4673


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    Jeff # 90

    “Anyone know Mr. Richard Weir’s background?”

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    Weir’s background is in magnetic storage (like tape drives etc) for IBM where he was a senior manager. IIRC he is not even a physicist, which is what makes this all the more suspect, especially when you consider that companies like Maxwell have been researching and making super caps for quite some time and they have never promised anything of the like. Claims aside, it seems quite a stretch that a senior magnetic storage manager for IBM can break a physics paradigm with a shoe string staff, when many world renown physicists haven’t been able to.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (9:17 pm)

    Enlightened
    Engineers
    Scream
    To
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    Richard

    Elephant
    Excrement
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    Reek

    Maybe I can power my Moller SkyCar with one of these babies!


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (9:26 pm)

    I think the media should adopt a better policy towards giving new technologies press. For example,

    1) Introduction of technology based on the reputation of inventor/founder.

    2) News about investments into new technology.

    3) Publish the list of milestones to be completed Including when functioning prototypes are to be shown, 3rd party verification timelines, etc.

    4) Only report successful completion of milestones or delay statements. Delay statements should be brief and be used only to update the milestone list and give a history of other delayed milestones.

    5) Resist hyping and excessive press just to sell papers, web ad space, etc. Do not reward milestone failures.

    If this (or something similar) is done many scams would be uncovered quickly. Scam companies would not be able to stay afloat for many years (decades) if people knew their reputation for milestone failures.

    In retrospect EEscam has missed many milestones, has shown no prototypes, only has 3rd party verification for their test equipment, has been successful at getting funding from wishful thinkers and has been excessively over hyped by the media. Classic scam activity.

    It’s sad to say but EEscam will never produce that coveted electrical energy storage unit. We all need to put this fantasy to rest. RIP.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (9:27 pm)

    Smoke and mirrors boys…smoke and mirrors… lol.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (10:05 pm)

    And so, it begins, lets try and borrow some money to merge! You know it has to be a great merger proposition, when you need 10 billion just to get the ball rolling:

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    GM/Chrysler request $10 bln in US aid-source

    http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN2735477920081028?rpc=44

    NEW YORK/DETROIT, Oct 27 (Reuters) – General Motors Corp (GM.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and Cerberus Capital Management have asked the U.S. government for roughly $10 billion in an unprecedented rescue package to support a merger between GM and Chrysler LLC, sources familiar with the talks said on Monday.

    The government funding would include roughly $3 billion in exchange for preferred stock in the merged automaker, according to one person with knowledge of the private talks who was not authorized to discuss them publicly.

    The U.S. Treasury Department is considering a request for direct aid to facilitate the merger and a decision could come this week, sources familiar with the still-developing government response said earlier on Monday.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (10:30 pm)

    carcus, post #63

    The picture at the top of this article…cubical aluminum with heat sink fins, two terminals

    It is a Maxwell custom supercapcitor. B used it in one of his blogs


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (10:39 pm)

    “……roughly $10 billion in an unprecedented rescue package to support a merger between GM and Chrysler LLC”

    _____________________________________
    Or, and so it continues. . . .

    Washington and Wallstreet spend all their time in bed with each other, but the taxpayer is the one who ends up getting screwed.

    I keep thinking about buying gold but the price moves around too much. It seems too risky. I’ve decided to buy a couple of semiloads of Jack Daniels and bury it in my back yard. When everybody else is pushing wheelbarrows of greenbacks around to the grocery store I’ll be sitting on a pile bartering power.


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    Oct 27th, 2008 (10:46 pm)

    #99 capman,

    Yeah, I actually do see the picture. My post was supposed to be a joke referencing this picture:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Emperor_Clothes_01.jpg

    Can you see the emporer’s new clothes?

    P.S. I’m not dissing the idea of a supercapacitor, I’m dissing Eestor.


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    Oct 28th, 2008 (6:02 am)

    WSJ says this morning “The Bush administration is working to release to General Motors Corp. a portion of the loans Congress approved for the auto industry, according to a person familiar with the matter, a move that could help ease the way for the company’s discussed merger with Chrysler LLC.”
    ==================================================

    US government money authorized under a bill to make more efficient cars is now being transformed into a fund that will be used for one failing company to buy another and fire tens of thousands of workers.

    Amazing.


  103. [...] [Source: GM-Volt.com] [...]


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    Oct 28th, 2008 (9:15 am)

    Since this is a throw-away thread anyway (as Gomer Pyle used to say: “Surprise, surprise!”) I now bring you, as requested by somebody (blame him not me):

    All the News That’s Fit

    First long trip in the 2009 Fit Automatic. College road trip, Hartford CT to Ithaca NY. Total passenger weight approx. 291 lbs. consisting of myself and a 17-year-old ballerina. I know, I know…

    Going up, 40.5 mpg on E10. Coming back (estimated) 43 mpg on what I think was G100 (i.e. “gasoline”).

    A little sluggish-feeling going up the hills on NY route 17, although once it downshifted it had no trouble at all maintaining speed.

    Interesting how the trip fuel-economy gauge works as an altimiter. Going uphill it drops, then downhill it gains it all right back. The fuel-economy indicator still seems about 12 percent optimistic; it showed 44.5 on the trip up, and 48.0 on the trip back.


  105. [...] [Source: GM-V&#111l&#116.&#99&#111m] [...]


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    Oct 28th, 2008 (11:11 am)

    EEStor IV

    I’d write another
    Haiku to vaporware but
    ran out of funding


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    Oct 28th, 2008 (11:14 am)

    Fahrvergnugen Fanboy:

    Why a Fit? Doesn’t gel with your name. Tell me you own a VW?

    Any VW TDI I’ve ever owned gets at least 45mpg at 75-80 mph and 3 passengers on highways. Though with the added price of diesel now the savings is basically eaten.


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    Oct 28th, 2008 (11:35 am)

    “Why a Fit? Doesn’t gel with your name. Tell me you own a VW?”

    This is my first non-Fahrvergnugen vehicle since my ill-fated experiment with a 1991 Ford. I started out with a ’74 Rabbit, then an ’86 Scirocco, ’94 Jetta, ’99 Jetta and ’04 Jetta wagen.

    Wife put her foot down. “I want a Japanese car! Japanese cars are reliable!” The ’09 Fit replaces the ’99 Jetta.

    There appears to be a pattern failure of the automatic transmission on the Jetta. Well, serves me right, you might say, doing something so just basically *wrong* as putting an automatic transmission in a Fahrvergnugenwagen, and you would of course be correct.

    But I need something my wife can drive if necessary.


  109. [...] [Sour­c­e: GM-Vo­­l­t­.co­­m] [...]


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    Oct 28th, 2008 (2:17 pm)

    Ahh- so many doubters! To doubt the technology ever coming to market, I can understand- but to doubt the company and/or its principles just does not track. Both Dick Weir and Carl Nelson have an impressive technological pedigree, and the patents to show for it. Additionally, they are not seeking press or wide-spread investment, which seems counter to what a scam would be. Personally, I do think they are on to something, but it would also not surprise me if this technology did not arrive for another 3-5 years. Unfortunately, this does not sit well in our show-me-now, fast-food, you-tube generation- but this will still be a break-through technology 3-5 years down the road. I think #84 and #86 complete my other thoughs on this already (well, except maybe for the elegant Chinese proverb way of expressing it;-)


  111. [...] [Source: GM-Volt.com] [...]


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    Oct 28th, 2008 (3:55 pm)

    They’d get the funding in NO time even under current conditions if they could show a working prototype to the public!


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    Oct 28th, 2008 (5:00 pm)

    [...] word directly from Weir himself: the problem was a delay in adequate funding. Yesterday, the blog posted his response to questions about the status of the EESU: As we stated in the beginning of 2008, [...]


  114. [...] “The funding that we did receive was not sufficient to meet the production status late in 2008 but as identified by our last news release, EEStor, Inc. has made excellent progress with that level of funding,” Weir wrote to GM-Volt, according to GM-Volt. [...]


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    Oct 28th, 2008 (11:12 pm)

    statik #98

    “And so, it begins, lets try and borrow some money to merge! ”

    *** *** ***

    I’m pretty darn sure that this thread is about Eestor, not necessarily GM. Your comment could be relative, but not on this thread! Thanks!


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    Oct 29th, 2008 (6:37 am)

    Lyle, you give Richard Weir too much credit — he is not a doctor (no phd — or md for that matter) — he is just a Dick.


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    Oct 29th, 2008 (8:04 am)

    Schrodinger’s Cat is dead inside that box.


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    Oct 29th, 2008 (11:36 pm)

    #23
    ThombDbhomb Says:
    October 27th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
    They claim their ultracap is a revolutionary product with certified information. Yet, they can’t get funding for it. Who wouldn’t fund something so important? If I had the solution that allows a quantum leap in commercial technology, I’ll bet I could get it funded.
    —————————–
    Do you know the story of Charles Babbage ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
    He designed a mechanical, programmable computer between 1822 and 1871. He received funding, but not enough to complete the 25,000 part computer. (well, a Difference Engine, then a better Difference Engine, then an Analytical Engine that could be programmed with Jacquard punched-cards).
    The improved Difference Engine was finally constructed in 1991, using Babbage’s plans and 19-th century manufacturing tolerances, by the London Science Museum. It worked perfectly. In 2000, they built the printer for this engine that Babbage designed, an astonishingly complex device for the 19th century.
    I’m not sure if anyone has ever build his Analytical Engine…

    The point is, this one guy could have brought computers to Humanity about 100 years early. But his financial backers gave up because he did not make ‘good progress’. England might have been a Superpower for another 100 years if a few rich guys were more patient…

    Not every Inventor deserves financial backing – but there are *definitely* some geniuses that deserve it, but do not get it. Financial backing is not a historical given. Maybe EEStor is on the verge of something great – I’ll wait. I’m not going to fault the guy for having cautious, stingy backers… If it’s the ‘real deal’, I *hope* he can convince investors.


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    Nov 3rd, 2008 (3:42 pm)

    Ultracapacitors are a great compliment to batteries, storing energy during adaptive braking, providing instant power (think turbocharger) for acceleration during driving. I don’t think they will ever be a replacement for batteries.

    EEStor isn’t a scam, it is just a scientist that doesn’t have a clue of the issues in taking theory to practicality.


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    Nov 4th, 2008 (5:59 am)

    The world is not black and white, but uncertainties can be rated.
    Probability that using ultracapacitors can power a practical electric vehicle on their own within 10 years = medium-high.
    Probability that investors in Eestor will lose money = very high.


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    Nov 4th, 2008 (1:17 pm)

    My take on the secretive stance taken by Weir.

    Batteries have always been a favorite with scam artists from way back to the 1800′s in the beginning of battery invention. As such until concept is proven and demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt, the entrepreneurial company making batteries is severely limited in accessing capital. If they come out with
    details too soon, they will end up spending limited capital defending
    against patent litigation because every battery startup out there will be claiming prior patents for part of EEstor concept and whether or not valid can sap EEstor’s limited startup capital to prevent it from being successful.
    When concept is fully proven and demonstrated, EEstor will have unlimited backing from big buck entities to defend and advance it’s capacitors against all comers.


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    Nov 5th, 2008 (2:59 pm)

    I question the email from Weir. What would he care to send an email to anyone. Just sit and be patient. If it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t. You have nothing to lose but your time reading these blogs.


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    Nov 5th, 2008 (3:44 pm)

    This blog is hilarious, how obvious can it be that it’s full of GM employees….

    Whether or not Eestor is for real is out of our control, but if it is you should welcome it with open arms. It would change the world and you GM guys might have to change jobs and work for Zenn unless GM can keep up.

    Then again, if you brilliant GM engineers would have given us better MPG cars in the first place, we wouldn’t be in this situation and your company wouldn’t be on the edge of bankruptcy.


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    Nov 7th, 2008 (1:14 pm)

    EEstor should consider entering the business of manufacturing delay devices. These would appear to be fully operable eesu’s but would be equipped with an led display that would read, “stand -by for new technology update-coming soon” when they ware switched on. I have to go, my flying saucer hover engine requires servicing.


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    Nov 18th, 2008 (6:24 pm)

    LOL, this is all too funny, I got a call today from the notorious B of http://www.theeestory.com. “B” for all of you that don’t know is the secret forum owner and has never revealed his identity.

    I have been using the alias of goUSA on the open forums to try and get a reaction and well I guess I have succeeded to some part. Before that I was also known as XYMOX. I am what you would call one of their biggest skeptics. I don’t believe the pipe dream and I’m not a fan of “Physics because I say so”

    Now that I have you attention.

    I was flattered that “B” would actually take the time to call little old me up and ask if there was something I wanted to get off my chest. At first I resisted, but I conceded to voice the opinion that I think its nifty that whenever there is a naysayer on the board, they are summarily banned from the “OPEN FORUM” The first time I was brought down was when I posted some personal address information on his site, fair enough, thats his rules and I’m not the owner, so see ya XYMOX.

    This last time I was given the boot for only asking B to reveal his identity. Well what I was looking for was a reaction. You see I like reactions because they are fun, I don’t know, but that’s the way people are, we push buttons and things happen. So I got my phone call. At that point I then knew more than the rest something about this man,… what he sounded like.

    And oddly enough I did happen to stumble upon an audio clip of one of my suspects Ian Clifford, CEO of Zenn Motorcars, well this sample was one of many but it is best online voice sample I have heard so far. that’s at
    http://www.zenncars.com/media/audio/evcast.mp3
    Why did I suspect Ian, Well given his Internet Marketing background and being the one person in this world who has the most to gain from this scam, my focus was narrowed on him.
    Well it didn’t take me to long after I closed my eyes and remembered who I was talking to, the voice of the caller and the voice of Ian Clifford are one and the same. I have a very good memory for audio as I am a trained musician and have what you could call an audio-graphic memory that rivaled the most studious contemporaries back in college, but enough of my self-admiration.

    I have my answer, and I can’t say I’m happy because I’m not, I really wanted the technology they are promoting to be real, but given the deception and the gravity of the slippery tongue that is Ian Clifford, I know that it’s not more than a dog and pony show.

    The world is no better off.


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    Dec 21st, 2008 (11:06 pm)

    kent beuchert Says:
    October 27th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    The usual skeptics are around, but I don’t need to believe Weir :
    if Lockheed-Martin, etc. etc. all believe in this technology and have
    expressed confidence, I’ll go with their views, as they don’t have axes to grind like these conspiracy skeptics,

    Kent, I feel a little foolish even arguing about this, but Lockheed has not provided production level funding. They have proved by their actions that they do not believe the “certified information” claiming a workable 52KW capacitor bank under 300 pounds. Because if they believed that, they would invest, and make the market cap of their company equal to Shell, Exon and BP combined.


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    Mar 15th, 2009 (12:08 pm)

    ‘Eestore’ the product that never materializes. Richard Weir doesn’t have anything ! It’s been all BS so far. There’s no prototype to test, because they can’t get it to work ! They had this idea, and they thought it would work, but alas, it didn’t.

    Richard Weir, the ‘Bernie Madoff’ of energy storage ! Richard ‘Bernie’ Weir, now that’s got a nice ring to it !
    Richard Weir would be more honorable if he would just come out and admit that he doesn’t really have anything that works, but the truth is; he’s just sucking up the investment dollars. “Just give me some more money, I’ve just about got it” Please ! He never had it in the first place, (cause there is still no working prototype) .

    Why would ANYBODY license their ‘breakthrough’ to a small little company like Zenn ? Just doesn’t make sense. Why aren’t the big three automakers working closely with Eestore ? Why aren’t we reading about any one of the big three using Eestore’s product in a test mule ? The answer is because Eestore doesn’t have anything ! And the truth is……. they never had anything right from the start. All they had was an idea they thought would work, but it turned out they were wrong. And now they are just milking it out for as long as they can, just hoping they can figure it out, but they can’t,,,,,,,,,, so they keep delaying.

    Forget Eestore. We need to stop posting on them. After all, why waste time on snake oil.


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    Mar 17th, 2009 (12:35 am)

    Welcome We are glad that from time to time does not allow anyone to forget about the electric car already play kondensorami China and counting on the success and the price is already on the things already mentioned that this year is a watershed year for the car to drive electric Us from 1973 years all the time interested in the drive, which will allow the cars to the unlimited extent of their contributions on the topics we talk about new energy sources, is only a question of whether the dreams we share as we say, months after the disclosure of new equipment for electric cars with unlimited range, it is true that crisis of the throat grab by our group that finances itself Swe study, by chance, you can now no longer pull into the entire world and energy, but we think that the persistence of this problem alone is not the battery is not the direction our capacitors is different, we can say today, a very interesting device I noticed that some of the scientific work of man recognized by the world of science can be continued, he did not even know that his scientific discoveries may have continued in this direction, the achievement of this energy. Capacitors are happy, even if you must lie to thank for the publicity that electric cars are the future, which awaits the world economy and climate have a car industry should reach out to those who have something to say in these studies and at the same time carry out their over-drive

    Jurgen


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    Mar 1st, 2010 (9:38 am)

    Sorry for the huge review, but I’m really loving the benten, and hope this, as well as the excellent reviews some other people have written, will help you decide if it’s the right choice for you.