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	<title>Comments on: Video: Bob Lutz Discusses Production Chevy Volt Design</title>
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		<title>By: dagwood55</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/10/15/video-bob-lutz-discusses-production-chevy-volt-design/#comment-75086</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Abejo, I just looked the 2008 Prius up on the EPA fueleconomy.gov web site.  Average based on 97 vehicles: 46.6mpg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Abejo, I just looked the 2008 Prius up on the EPA fueleconomy.gov web site.  Average based on 97 vehicles: 46.6mpg.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Abejo, Hutchinson, KS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Abejo, Hutchinson, KS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The MSRP for the 2008 standard Prius is $22,220. It’s rated 48 city and 45 highway (though my girlfriends coworker in real world just got an average 52 highway roundtrip between Boston MA and Montreal Canada with her Prius and 3 adult women w/lots of luggage to boot).&quot;

Not a chance.  Why is it these stories about people getting great mpg in a Prius are always &quot;my XXX&#039;s XXXX did this and got this&quot;?  I own a Prius and I live in a flat state, absolutely no hills whatsoever.  The only way anyone is getting over 42 mpg in a Prius is if they live in the hills and learn to properly coast in neutral.  I&#039;ve owned mine for 3 years, drive 21 miles one-way to work every workday, 18 of those miles on a turnpike with no stops and the best I&#039;ve ever achieved was 42 mpg about the 5th or 6th tank in.  Since then the mpg has gone down to mid-30&#039;s.  In stop-and-go traffic it will even drop down to the mid to high 20&#039;s (along the PCH from Laguna Beach to Malibu and back it consumed an entire tank of gas, and that&#039;s only 160 miles round-trip).  Don&#039;t believe the hype people.  Don&#039;t let Toyota fool you!  It&#039;s a sweet car, and I enjoy it thoroughly, it&#039;s worth every penny, it just doesn&#039;t get the mpg Toyota and all of the liberal environmentalists claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The MSRP for the 2008 standard Prius is $22,220. It’s rated 48 city and 45 highway (though my girlfriends coworker in real world just got an average 52 highway roundtrip between Boston MA and Montreal Canada with her Prius and 3 adult women w/lots of luggage to boot).&#8221;</p>
<p>Not a chance.  Why is it these stories about people getting great mpg in a Prius are always &#8220;my XXX&#8217;s XXXX did this and got this&#8221;?  I own a Prius and I live in a flat state, absolutely no hills whatsoever.  The only way anyone is getting over 42 mpg in a Prius is if they live in the hills and learn to properly coast in neutral.  I&#8217;ve owned mine for 3 years, drive 21 miles one-way to work every workday, 18 of those miles on a turnpike with no stops and the best I&#8217;ve ever achieved was 42 mpg about the 5th or 6th tank in.  Since then the mpg has gone down to mid-30&#8242;s.  In stop-and-go traffic it will even drop down to the mid to high 20&#8242;s (along the PCH from Laguna Beach to Malibu and back it consumed an entire tank of gas, and that&#8217;s only 160 miles round-trip).  Don&#8217;t believe the hype people.  Don&#8217;t let Toyota fool you!  It&#8217;s a sweet car, and I enjoy it thoroughly, it&#8217;s worth every penny, it just doesn&#8217;t get the mpg Toyota and all of the liberal environmentalists claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know how to subscribe to a thread now?  I no longer see a checkbox when you post a reply to ask to be notified...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know how to subscribe to a thread now?  I no longer see a checkbox when you post a reply to ask to be notified&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Horton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>October 16th, 2008 Brad Horton: &quot;I am accusing the Prius as being a beautiful car.&quot;

Seriously, I think it looks great! I don&#039;t understand why everyone thinks it is an ugly car, I actually really enjoy the way it looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>October 16th, 2008 Brad Horton: &#8220;I am accusing the Prius as being a beautiful car.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, I think it looks great! I don&#8217;t understand why everyone thinks it is an ugly car, I actually really enjoy the way it looks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#114 (Cautious Fan)

Ok, I did some research and ran some numbers.... the Prius is classified by the EPA as a mid-size car... the Corolla is classified as a compact, so those can&#039;t really be compared.  The non-hybrid Toyota make that is comparable and in the same EPA classification is the Camry.

The MSRP for the 2008 standard Prius is $22,220.  It&#039;s rated 48 city and 45 highway (though my girlfriends coworker in real world just got an average 52 highway roundtrip between Boston MA and Montreal Canada with her Prius and 3 adult women w/lots of luggage to boot).

The MSRP for the 2008 base Camry with automatic 5-speed transmission (since the Prius is auto) is $20,340 and is rated 21 city, 31 highway.

That&#039;s a price difference of $1,880.  With the assumption of 15,000 miles driven/year (GM assumes this w/the Volt as an average)

.... if you drive all city driving you will save 401.79 gallons/year.  At $3.50 gas payback is 1.33 years, at $4 gas it&#039;s 1.17 years, and at $5 gas (very possible once worldwide economy turns around) only 0.94 of a year.

.... if you drive all highway driving the fuel savings is 150.53 gallons/year.  Payback period at $3.50 gas is 3.5 years, at $4 gas it&#039;s 3.12 years, and at $5 would be 2.5 years.

Most folks are probably somewhere in between the two for city vs. highway, and I don&#039;t know what the combined cycle EPA rating is for either car.

I won&#039;t give all the numbers, but I did run it against the Corolla as well, even though it&#039;s a significantly smaller car. At a $6,295 price difference.... all City miles drivers would take 6 years at $4 gas, all Highway miles drivers would take 16.5 years.  But if I was interested in a car the size of the Prius... I wouldn&#039;t also be looking at the Corolla.</description>
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<p>Ok, I did some research and ran some numbers&#8230;. the Prius is classified by the EPA as a mid-size car&#8230; the Corolla is classified as a compact, so those can&#8217;t really be compared.  The non-hybrid Toyota make that is comparable and in the same EPA classification is the Camry.</p>
<p>The MSRP for the 2008 standard Prius is $22,220.  It&#8217;s rated 48 city and 45 highway (though my girlfriends coworker in real world just got an average 52 highway roundtrip between Boston MA and Montreal Canada with her Prius and 3 adult women w/lots of luggage to boot).</p>
<p>The MSRP for the 2008 base Camry with automatic 5-speed transmission (since the Prius is auto) is $20,340 and is rated 21 city, 31 highway.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a price difference of $1,880.  With the assumption of 15,000 miles driven/year (GM assumes this w/the Volt as an average)</p>
<p>&#8230;. if you drive all city driving you will save 401.79 gallons/year.  At $3.50 gas payback is 1.33 years, at $4 gas it&#8217;s 1.17 years, and at $5 gas (very possible once worldwide economy turns around) only 0.94 of a year.</p>
<p>&#8230;. if you drive all highway driving the fuel savings is 150.53 gallons/year.  Payback period at $3.50 gas is 3.5 years, at $4 gas it&#8217;s 3.12 years, and at $5 would be 2.5 years.</p>
<p>Most folks are probably somewhere in between the two for city vs. highway, and I don&#8217;t know what the combined cycle EPA rating is for either car.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t give all the numbers, but I did run it against the Corolla as well, even though it&#8217;s a significantly smaller car. At a $6,295 price difference&#8230;. all City miles drivers would take 6 years at $4 gas, all Highway miles drivers would take 16.5 years.  But if I was interested in a car the size of the Prius&#8230; I wouldn&#8217;t also be looking at the Corolla.</p>
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