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	<title>Comments on: GM May Develop Other Than T-Shaped Lithium-ion Battery Packs</title>
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		<title>By: jeffhre</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/10/14/gm-may-develop-other-than-t-shaped-lithium-ion-battery-packs/#comment-123471</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffhre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe an OEM ripped a perfectly good functioning EV right out of his admiring hands despite a desperate offer to pay gobs of cash to keep it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe an OEM ripped a perfectly good functioning EV right out of his admiring hands despite a desperate offer to pay gobs of cash to keep it?</p>
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		<title>By: jeffhre</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/10/14/gm-may-develop-other-than-t-shaped-lithium-ion-battery-packs/#comment-123468</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffhre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HUH?


What does the purity issue have to do with a device that no one any where has any idea if it will be of an acceptable size, energy density or weight to ever work in a passenger car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HUH?</p>
<p>What does the purity issue have to do with a device that no one any where has any idea if it will be of an acceptable size, energy density or weight to ever work in a passenger car.</p>
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		<title>By: r4and0mn4me</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/10/14/gm-may-develop-other-than-t-shaped-lithium-ion-battery-packs/#comment-75020</link>
		<dc:creator>r4and0mn4me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will have to side with Doug on this one. Even if the EV-1 and Rav-4 cost $80k, those who wished to buy them should have had the option to. Where else in this world has cost stopped the people with money from buying something they wanted? Put a price on something and someone will buy it, bring the cost down and more people will buy it.

I feel the reason this is becoming such a big deal is GM feels that people are not willing to give up their normal ICE lives they have come to know. That people are not willing to change the way they live in order to live the dream. Human kind can not gain anything without first giving something in return. For anything gained, something of equal value must be lost. There is no free lunch here. For not having to shell out my hard earned cash at the pump, funding god knows how many domestic criminal originations as well as foreign religious fanatics. I am willing to live with the limited range and extra initial cost of a a pure EV, in exchange for peace of mind and hopefully see our troops home safely. On one hand, I believe that a range extended plug-in hybrid such as the Volt will have a place in the market and would work for a great many people.
I on the other hand will be quite happy with an ICE free BEV like the Mitsubishi i-MiEV or if that fails to make it past our governments strict standards to keep out the cool toys, my fallback EV conversion project is well under way. Never under estimate a few rebel fighters, long live the EV revolution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will have to side with Doug on this one. Even if the EV-1 and Rav-4 cost $80k, those who wished to buy them should have had the option to. Where else in this world has cost stopped the people with money from buying something they wanted? Put a price on something and someone will buy it, bring the cost down and more people will buy it.</p>
<p>I feel the reason this is becoming such a big deal is GM feels that people are not willing to give up their normal ICE lives they have come to know. That people are not willing to change the way they live in order to live the dream. Human kind can not gain anything without first giving something in return. For anything gained, something of equal value must be lost. There is no free lunch here. For not having to shell out my hard earned cash at the pump, funding god knows how many domestic criminal originations as well as foreign religious fanatics. I am willing to live with the limited range and extra initial cost of a a pure EV, in exchange for peace of mind and hopefully see our troops home safely. On one hand, I believe that a range extended plug-in hybrid such as the Volt will have a place in the market and would work for a great many people.<br />
I on the other hand will be quite happy with an ICE free BEV like the Mitsubishi i-MiEV or if that fails to make it past our governments strict standards to keep out the cool toys, my fallback EV conversion project is well under way. Never under estimate a few rebel fighters, long live the EV revolution!</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#86 Rashiid Amul:

Thank you sir!  Your comment was very thought provoking and caused me to do some careful thiking about my own beliefs.  Which are strikingly close to yours, I might add.

#102 Statik:

OK, do it!  Just let me know where to send the $1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#86 Rashiid Amul:</p>
<p>Thank you sir!  Your comment was very thought provoking and caused me to do some careful thiking about my own beliefs.  Which are strikingly close to yours, I might add.</p>
<p>#102 Statik:</p>
<p>OK, do it!  Just let me know where to send the $1.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would really, really like to buy a Volt except for the fact that it’s currently only a 4 seater, and I have a wife and 3 children.  I think this will be a big problem for a lot of people (see below for three example posts), and I think that the competition (Chrysler, Mazda, etc.) will capitalize on this.  I really hope that GM can somehow work in an option for a rear middle seat, even if it’s higher and thinner, which is fine for most children.   If they do that, they wouldn&#039;t even have to change the battery pack shape.  However, lowering the height of the battery in this seat area would be welcome, in order to get a normal seat in there.   I would really, really, really like to see GM succeed on the Volt, and from my point of view, this could be a show stopper for too many people.  

Here&#039;s the first previous post:

&gt;Is there any chance GM will have an option to make this a five passenger car? I have 3 children, so I really need a five passenger car. I know the battery pack is sort of in the way of a center rear seat, but maybe they &gt;could reduce the battery capacity some for this option? The rear-center passenger could easily straddle the hump in the middle of the floor (like a rear wheel drive car hump), but maybe GM would have to trim down &gt;the battery height in the seat area? Alternately, they could just make the middle seat higher and skinnier (for children in car seats, etc.) If GM doesn’t offer this option, then they will be vulnerable to competitors who &gt;figure out a way to do it. This is already true with the new Chrysler EV annoucements!!!!!!!!!

A second posts says:

&gt;The rear looks like there’s enough for a 5th seat. THe 5th seat is not supposed to be comfortable.
&gt;Have the engineer’s play some more tetris and figure out a way to get a 5th seat in there.
&gt;The stereo-typical american family of 5 (Husband, wife, 2 1/2 kids) could not use this car.
&gt;Unless the battery is sticking through the cabin, I don’t see a reason why you can’t add a 5th seat.

And a 3rd post says:

&gt;Where’s the rear middle seat?
&gt;How can there be an “American Revloution” when you don’t build cars for the american family (husban, wife with 2 1/2 kids).
&gt;The battery is pretty much set in stone, so changing the geometry of the battery is done. What should have happend is the battery should have been longer instead of thicker.
&gt;I may not always have 5 people in the car, but it’s nice to know I have that as an option.
&gt;You may not need the gas generator, but it’s nice to know you have it there just in case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would really, really like to buy a Volt except for the fact that it’s currently only a 4 seater, and I have a wife and 3 children.  I think this will be a big problem for a lot of people (see below for three example posts), and I think that the competition (Chrysler, Mazda, etc.) will capitalize on this.  I really hope that GM can somehow work in an option for a rear middle seat, even if it’s higher and thinner, which is fine for most children.   If they do that, they wouldn&#8217;t even have to change the battery pack shape.  However, lowering the height of the battery in this seat area would be welcome, in order to get a normal seat in there.   I would really, really, really like to see GM succeed on the Volt, and from my point of view, this could be a show stopper for too many people.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the first previous post:</p>
<p>&gt;Is there any chance GM will have an option to make this a five passenger car? I have 3 children, so I really need a five passenger car. I know the battery pack is sort of in the way of a center rear seat, but maybe they &gt;could reduce the battery capacity some for this option? The rear-center passenger could easily straddle the hump in the middle of the floor (like a rear wheel drive car hump), but maybe GM would have to trim down &gt;the battery height in the seat area? Alternately, they could just make the middle seat higher and skinnier (for children in car seats, etc.) If GM doesn’t offer this option, then they will be vulnerable to competitors who &gt;figure out a way to do it. This is already true with the new Chrysler EV annoucements!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>A second posts says:</p>
<p>&gt;The rear looks like there’s enough for a 5th seat. THe 5th seat is not supposed to be comfortable.<br />
&gt;Have the engineer’s play some more tetris and figure out a way to get a 5th seat in there.<br />
&gt;The stereo-typical american family of 5 (Husband, wife, 2 1/2 kids) could not use this car.<br />
&gt;Unless the battery is sticking through the cabin, I don’t see a reason why you can’t add a 5th seat.</p>
<p>And a 3rd post says:</p>
<p>&gt;Where’s the rear middle seat?<br />
&gt;How can there be an “American Revloution” when you don’t build cars for the american family (husban, wife with 2 1/2 kids).<br />
&gt;The battery is pretty much set in stone, so changing the geometry of the battery is done. What should have happend is the battery should have been longer instead of thicker.<br />
&gt;I may not always have 5 people in the car, but it’s nice to know I have that as an option.<br />
&gt;You may not need the gas generator, but it’s nice to know you have it there just in case.</p>
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