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GM Denies Intentionally Leaking Photos of Production Volt (Plus Preference Poll)
We are only seven days away from GM’s official unveiling of the production Chevy Volt. For those not up to speed, GM has long ago said the production version couldn’t look like the concept because of an intensive need for aerodynamic improvement. These changes are evident in the form of the production Volt which has been designed to ensure a 40 mile electric driving range.
As we know, yesterday a batch of pictures of the production Chevy Volt with key executives standing in front of it leaked into the internet via website TheCarConnection.com.
GM spokesperson Terry Rhadigan denies that the leak was intentional, possibly orchestrated to prepare the public for the live reveal next week. Reportedly these studio stills were “accidentally” placed on a GM website and then immediately removed when the breach was discovered. Last week’s grainy Transformer2 video also reportedly caught GM “off guard”.
It is interesting to note that these “leaks” show more and more of the car, yet not the whole thing, as there is always an obscuration either due to image quality or people posing in front of it. Also all of my usual contacts within GM have failed to respond to my questions about this topic.
In any event, the public response at least in the way of last post’s torrent of comments appear to be mixed but skewed to the negative. Keep in mind there may be a commentator’s bias. While there were nearly 600 comments as of this writing, the post was actually viewed close to 16,000 times, so the vast majority of the opinions may not appear in the comments.
So to begin to sort this out seems appropriate to take a poll (below).
Source (Wall Street Journal)
Cleaned Production Image (LA Times)
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:20 am
As has been said before, the concept really doesn’t matter. We can’t buy one of those. The production looks like what I expected; a relatively plain design that can be easily mass produced. I would have expected nothing else.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:24 am
Too bad GM is doing away with the uniqueness and just going for generic. The best way to advertise your car is to have it turn heads as it’s rolling down the streets.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:30 am
I like the concept better, but the production version is still on my buy list.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:32 am
The sad reality is that they don’t’ have to advertise. They’re only making about 10,000 the first year and they will disappear so fast it will be unbelieveable. Best advertising will be the little sticker on the window that shows the gas milage…. I figure it will be 2013 before I can get one. By then, though, they should have all the bugs out of iit.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:35 am
If I had never seen the concept, I’d believe that I would say that this is a fine looking car, much like any other car produced these days, with a few nice styling accents. For the family, not for the enthusiast.
But having seen the aggressive styling of the concept car, I am sorely disappointed with the looks of the volt in these new photos. It’s no longer a muscle car. Just an average family sedan.
Will I buy one? Probably (unless an affordable Tesla sedan becomes available). Will I be as excited as I was for the prototype. Most definitely not.
My only hope to be excited again is that this is the low end model. Like most lines, maybe it will have 2 or 3 variants, one being a very sporty looking one.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:36 am
#4, George B, “I figure it will be 2013 before I can get one. By then, though, they should have all the bugs out of iit.”
All the bugs out of it by 2013? Don’t bet on it. GM put trouble-prone gaskets and intake manifolds into their small 6’s for 10 or more years. Dexcool might have lasted 10 years, too.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:40 am
I’ll reiterate what I’ve said in several threads about this topic … I do not deny that the original concept car is a very attractive, sculptural piece of metal, glass and plastic … but I’ve never had a moments interest in owning something like that. What’s visible of the ergonomics looks too uncomfortable (no head room, poor visibility, etc). I buy cars for transportation and that concept does not strike me as “good transportation”.
I like the expected production model.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:41 am
It would have been interesting to have a question in the poll like: Electric drive trumps appearance. I wonder how many people are thinking deeper than skin deep?
A poll that required the answering of a bullet question then allow a free text comment where if someone chose the production car they could add in the text field why, like: the concept car appeared to have limited visibility. etc… Unfortunately that makes polling more difficult.
Maybe polls like that could provide GM or any manufacturer more clues into consumer preferences.
For me the car could look like the Aptera, just as long as it would work in this climate, have electric highway capable drive, excellent range. For me it’s about not making hostile nations rich, having our troops and their families (USA) giving lives and health to maintain a free flow of oil. It’s my duty as a citizen to not look at trivial things when people are sacrificing their lives. We need electrics on the road now for energy independence and keeping our troops home. We have the technology and wealth to do it, will we make the right choices to have it happen?
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:45 am
The CLOWNS that are bad mouthing the production Volt design have NOT BEEN FOLLOWING THE DEVELOPMENT INFO via this web site for over a year and a half. In particular, the critical “AERO” information.
I’m guessing that many of these UNINFORMED DRIVE BY LURKERS are likely in their teens and 20’s. A few may actually think the Volt will transform into a fighting robot.
I say…..Good Riddance.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:55 am
I’m sorry… I’ve been a fan of the Volt for over a year here. I just have to say that the production pics are a HUGE let down. Can you say….. Generic?
The car is dull looking and uninspired looking from the pics. Downright boring and looks like every other car on the road. It’s what it would look like if my if my Camry hybrid and a Malibu had an illegitimate child.
I’m not uninformed, I’ve read read every post every day for the past year +. Ya ya…. Wind tunnel, aero, range, I GET IT….. just expected more!!!!
Maybe the Pontiac version will have a soul????
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:56 am
I voted for the production model knowing the history of the development.
As others said, those who want a more distinguished (in some way or another) should wait IMHO for improved batteries and more competition in this sector of E-REV’s.
As soon as a production model using the E-flex technology is available in Europe for an affordable price I’ll be an early customer because what is really important is to get rid of oil ASAP.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:56 am
the defining moment for weather i buy a volt is when the aftermarket makes a replacement for those ugly fake grills. GAHHH those are bad
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:58 am
The Prius can be spotted a mile away.
It doesn’t matter if you think it is attractive or not. It stands out.
The Chevy Volt Concept clearly stood out in a crowd.
This production car does not. It is not ugly, just disappointingly plain and ordinary. The Concept is gorgeous. What a shame it was to need to change it so drastically.
But the beauty is on the inside. It’s an EREV.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:58 am
Pretty hard to believe that these pictures, with the ‘Volt Team’ mugging for the camera just happened to get ‘accidently’ leaked…and to a GM media website no less.
I think the only way anyone would believe them (and I really don’t think that matters too much to them at the moment) is if they fire someone…like the electrician they fired for just taking a camera phone shot of the production Camaro going through the ‘mock line’ at Oshawa.
Regardless of that…it is done, no take-backs, lol.
Just curious as to how come we now have 4 choices, instead of the original 2? (Original and Concept). I like this better, but it makes a comparison of results from the TF stills to actual photos difficult.
(Ironically, I accidently voted production…amusing to me)
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:03 am
Let’s face it folks,
The WIND dictates the major shaping components to a car’s design these days. They all look as if a block of ice were placed into a hot wind tunnel. Then they add badges, mirrors, door handles etc…
What matters now are the interior (since we generally don’t ride on the outside of the vehicles anyway) and the under-pinnings.
AWD anyone?
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:04 am
I’m still don’t understand why everyone is so shocked by what the production version looks like. They have said for a long time that the production version would look a lot different than the concept. Is it as sexy as the concept? NO. Is it going to sell out? YES.
We also seem to be forgetting that they are only going to make 10,000 of the first model year anyways and that most of us are not going to get one until its third or forth iteration, by which point the design could change (for the better).
Also, GM keeps talking about the other e-flex models that are in development. It wouldn’t surpirse me to see a Cadillac sedan that stays truer to the concept.
The production version isn’t ugly, it just isn’t what we expected. Kinda makes me wonder why they kept showing the concept when they must have known the production version would look like this though.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:06 am
I loved the Volt concept, but like the production version. It could have been much worse. I heard rumors floating around that it would look alot like the Saturn Ion. That would have been a shame. My wife hates my Prius, but gave a thumbs up on the Volt. That’s saying quite a bit right there. She’s extremely picky. Of course, I’m more interested in the fact that, with the Volt, I may go most days without using hardly any gasoline. That’s why I bought my Prius. A good looking exterior is simply a bonus.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Of course, I like the concept better but that is not possible at this point. Just like any car, the design will change as the technology improves. GM must meet their 40-mile goal or all creditability is lost. In addition, I have seen Cavalier’s look sporty with the right paint. The leak of the silver Volt IMHO was a mistake. The blue Volt in the Transformers looked much better. A red, yellow or blue Volt will be great looking. My first modification will be to black out that front grill though and add some accent LED’s. I really like the tail end of the production Volt. Considering I only drive 30 miles to and from work each day, I should be able to make some other modifications and suffer only slightly on the mileage. I may change out those wheels. For what this car is about to do, it is a great looking car. At least I will not be driving an egg (Prius). The Volt looks like a car, the way it should look.
Oh, something that I have not seen mentioned – where’s the plug-in?
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Hey 18 !
“For what this car is about to do, it’s a great looking car.”
Nicely stated!!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:12 am
# 10 Sentinel wrote…..
1. “The car is dull looking and uninspired looking from the pics…”
2. “I’m not uninformed, I’ve read every post every day for the past year +. Ya ya…. Wind tunnel, aero, range, I GET IT….. just expected more!!!!”
1. How about some flame or lightning bolt decals behind the front wheels? Would that inspire you ?
2. Glad you’re informed to some degree. You can’t have everything in life. Hell, I’d like to fly to work using a Jet Pack but I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.
Sorry to sound a little harsh but I’m just a little cheesed off because many people on this site NOW do not realize that the Volt’s E-FLEX drivetrain is a QUANTUM LEAP in transportation engineering technology.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:20 am
Jean-Charles @11,
For me it’s being able to drive a decent distance without the use of oil as well. I concur and will buy the first EV available to the market and it appears it will be the Volt. GM, keep up the good work and ignore the people here that were not planning on buying anyhow.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:21 am
14 Statik:
I thought the pictures were leaked to Autoblog?
If so, Autoblog is far from a GM fan site.
These look like Promotional brochure pictures. If that is the case the advertising agency took these snaps and they were likely leaked from there. If I remember correctly the Chevrolet ad agency, along with XM and several others, is Mullen.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Lutz said in his last interview that GM starts with a style that looks good and then trims that for aero. Perhaps they should start with an excellent aero design first and then make that look good.
In any case, looks aren’t that important to me. Most of the cars on the road don’t look good to me. The cars that do look good to me are 2-seat sports cars, and that’s not something I would buy.
The Saturn Flextreme looks fairly good, and I need some sort of hatchback or sport wagon with a little more cargo room, but diesel is kind of a show stopper here. If they made a gas version of the Flextreme for the U.S., that would be perfect.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Of course the concept is sexy, compared to the production version. But that’s not unique to the Volt.
In this case, though, it’s a much more drastic metamorphosis. I am excited by what the Volt can do for reducing my gas bill, but not by its appearance. If I can afford it, I’ll buy it.
As for excitement, I’ll wait until batteries get good enough that a car can get 40 miles AER and still look like the Volt concept, aero be damned.
And that day will come.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:28 am
Thanks for putting up the poll Lyle…although I still contend that the wording can lead folks to vote based on the wrong criteria here.
I’m probably being too much of a stickler but I just want to see a poll based SOLELY on the looks…not “which version do you like prefer?” something more like “which car looks better?”
We are going to still have the voters who say “I like the looks of the concept but I voted for the production because it is the reality” which is all fine and good but I’d like to get the message across that overall … the production design is not making hearts beat any faster.
I am still a fan and cant wait for the big official release but my interest level has gone down proportionally with the edgy styling we lost due to that damn “function” …. its understandable but it still hurts to see the concept because it was awesome….but I’m getting over it.
Oh and to those whom felt the concept was just a 2 door sports car pipe dream…I never saw it live and in person…wasnt there 4 doors on that thing? like suicide-type back doors?
Anyway, slight modification to my mantra:
Its more about the electrification of the car — not how cool it looks — the concept is dead — get over it
-repeat-
PS – just make the fake grill darker or get rid of it….almost anything would be better
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:29 am
The production version looks really good to me. It’s not as flashy as the concept, but I always thought the concept looked cartoonish and impractical… not something I’d really want to drive around in.
I’ve owned a few flashy cars before–a Camaro, a Mustang and a Cadillac Eldorado, but now I just want something that looks decent to go back and forth to work in, pick up my kids from school, go to the store, etc. The production Volt fits those requirements perfectly, and it still looks a hell of a lot better than the Prius and most other small sedans (maybe better than all of them). Plus, it’s still all concept under the hood.
Edit: Along with several other people, I do think the looks of the production version would be greatly improved with a darker grill.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:30 am
They could put an Aztek body on this thing and I would still buy it. Every year there are countless concept vehicles that look really cool but if you know even the slightest bit about vehicle design you can quickly see that they are unbuildable in their present form. Either cost or safety usually disqualify them from production. So what made everyone fall in love with this car and demand it get made? It is the technology not the skin. In this case beauty really is more than skin deep.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:32 am
#22 Morgan – Autoblog referenced carconnection.com as their source, as did most sites yesterday.
#18 Todd – There was quite a bit of discussion on the previous post about the plug location. I still think it is behind the “Volt badge.” Lyle, this would be a good question to get answered. Or maybe does the actual plug look the same?
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:37 am
If you look at the two photos, concept and production, there is a very distinct difference. Myself, the production car looks like a modern version of the Prius.
I’m not happy with the production version because it does not make the statement that I thought it should make with all the hype we have seen and heard.
That being said, I will probably keep my name on the purchasing list because it is the technology that I’m after, no gas for me.
Kind of like ” What you see and what you get are two different things!”
Bottom line !!! I’M DISSAPOINTED.
God Bless America.
Tom
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:38 am
The production volt is a good looking car, but I prefer the LOOKS of the concept.
That does not mean one is uninformed, it also will not prevent me from buying a volt.
Anything can be changed on a car if your unhappy with it. I believe that some window tint and nice wheels would make this car look a lot nicer, I will take Transformer purple however
But I think the concept is a more astheticly pleasing vehicle.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:39 am
The flashy “electric camaro” concept was more visually appealing, but the production version is far more practical. The concept would have been very bothersome to drive with poor visibility, huge blind spots, cramped headroom, and rotten aerodynamics. It’s unfortunate that the shape that’s practical isn’t as sexy, but I’m signed up to buy one based on practicality. From that perspective, I like the production design much more.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:39 am
I definitely like the concept better, but I also think that this probably isn’t the best angle for a picture of the production car, given that a lot of people reacted positively to the movie version. A lower side shot might help it look sleeker.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:43 am
I dont know.. it doesn’t look like a 40k car. 30k would be pushing it for me.. or 32k with an AC option.. 40k the interior would need to be made from high quality materials and have every single feature available.
I agree that the car now looks generic and somewhat similiar to the Prius and new Honda insight. It isn’t as ugly though
I think the photos were intentionally leaked to avoid a mob scene and crys about how “ugly” the car is compiared to the concept
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:51 am
I think the photos were intentionally leaked to avoid a mob scene and crys about how “ugly” the car is compiared to the concept … when the production volt is revealied
I am as disappointed about the end design as others are. Like others I was hoping that it would be a little more sporty looking. At least now if the volt doesn’t have a fast 0-6 speed we wont feel silly trying to speed off with it.
I am still going to get a GM volt type car.. probably not the first volt because I dont want to pay 40k for a car that does not have some luxurious interior or ride like a cadillac. And if the volt does have these features.. still not sure it is worth 40k >_<
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:52 am
If I got to ride in that to save gas, just shoot me. The original style was awesome. You could save more money by buying a 1996 Geo Metro and restoring it. You drive that Geo Metro for 10 years and you’ll still have money in your pocket. This car is just as ugly ast the Geo Metro. To hell with GM. I’m going to buy a Ford Dually and suck the gas. Gas prices are going to go back to $1.50 and put GM out of business. Take me off of the waiting list! GM has made me a Ford fan now. I won’t buy foreign. After all the Dex-cool mess, now this! Surely if you have GM stock you would have sold it shortly after seeing these pictures.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:54 am
If I were a Chevrolet dealer and GM gave me the choice, I would pass on getting any Volts. It is just too risky, because there is no core group of buyers.
1) The Eco people have to buy a Prius to be a member of the club, To them, Chevy is a lower-class brand, and they won’t pay more to get less in terms of eco-standing.
2) Male buyers who are attracted by the technology will not want a car that looks effeminate to many and bland to the rest, .
3) Female buyers will like the smooth and inoffensive styling (it is the ultimate secretary’s car) but will be hesitant about the unfamiliar technology, about having to plug the car in every day, and uncomfortable about being the only person in their group to have one. Potential buyers in this group also are good comparison shoppers, and $40K is a lot more than Honda and other attractive alternatives.
4) “Family” buyers, those looking for an economical combination of function and form, will find the car way too expensive.
So if I were a dealer I would be worried that these will be cars that will sit on the lot for a long time, too small and too ordinary looking to get attention, nothing special in terms of driving performance, requiring more effort for daily personal maintenance, and at a price point that will make potential customers keep on walking.
Sure, there will be a minority of people in each of the categories above who are exceptions to the my overly general statements, some of them posters here, so somebody will sell a few. Still, it is hard to make a living selling to the exceptions, especially if the dealer has to spend money upfront for equipment and training. To make the Volt profitable, the dealer needs a core demographic of customers who like it, who will search for funds to buy it, and who will be proud enough of their purchase to give their car good word of mouth. I just don’t see who this group is going to be.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:55 am
#28…There’s also a story on the Detroit News site about the leaked pics.
#9…Regarding the Volt’s design…I’m not a kid, I’m 50. And I guess the best way to describe it is, there’s the girl you marry, and the hot Playboy model. The girl you marry is probably the best woman in the world for you, no question. But. Does she get your engine revved? If you can put the two together, you hit a grand slam, but in many cases they’re not the same. The prod version is practical and handsome, but it doesn’t reek of sexy and cool.
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September 9th, 2008 at 7:56 am
My comment is awaiting moderation. For what, I wonder. Maybe the car is just not attractive enough to justify this frustration.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:11 am
A new picture of the volt with out the person in front of the car.
Never mind about the link I had posted. I guess my transfer was too slow on GM-volt.com that I was not aware that had show the picture before I had posted on this blog.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:14 am
BTW Lyle, how did you get the photo sans GM suits for the comparison image?
Edit: I guess cybereye just answered my question.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:14 am
Come on guys… this is my first post but I feel pretty strongly about this: A concept car is just that – concept. In no way would the concept volt have been a practical car.
How many people have you seen use the back seat of the concept?
How feasible would it have been to produce all the minor touches of the concept economically?
Not to mention the true intent of the car is to be areodynamic.
And wheel size – I am completely happy paying for 16 inch replacment tires compared to 18 and up prices.
Of course concept cars are more flashy and desireable to some than the production version – just look at the Firebird series of concept cars through the 50’s and 60’s – I bet many people back in that time would have loved to get in one with the turbine drivetrain and jet-fighter styling.
At least with the volt we are getting the concept car’s drivetrain, with a more practical body and interior.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:17 am
speaking strictly aesthetically, i prefer the concept. However, given that the concept likely would have had a hard time hitting 40 mpc [or so they've led us to believe], I prefer the production version which actually does what it is supposed to do.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:19 am
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Ok,
It just occurred to me what I DON’T like about the photo above.
That cheesy black paint along the body under the side windows.
The blue that was captured in the Transformer photos looks
MUCH nicer.
That black paint treatment looks cheap.
Reminds me of the 91 Toyota Previa I once had or the 73 Corolla I once had. Both had that “Paint it black so they don’t notice the metal” look. It just doesn’t work. I’ll take mine in Blue please.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:21 am
The production version looks like a $22k car. The concept looked like a $40k vehicle. One is sporty and like nothing else on the planet. The production version looks like so many others that it’s not unique. I wanted something that was technologically ground breaking and looked like it when it came down the street. Now it’s another Malibu like, Prius like, Camry like vehicle. I’d rather sacrifice a couple miles in range to have the look of the concept back! IN A HEARTBEAT
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:28 am
LyleL #8 couldn’t agree more.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:31 am
I wanted something distinguished. To respond to the “does electric trump style”, NO it does not. Why? Because I can buy a prius, camary, etc bland looking hybrid and ‘feel good’ (granted, the Camary doesn’t look half bad, my friend owns one).
When I saw the concept over a year and a half ago, I felt something stir. Now that its “blah”, I’ll be looking at either the new camaro or dodge charger. I’m leaning towards dodge because my love for chevy has slowly died off over the many years of let downs,
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Has anyone pointed out the door lines? The top of the door is much closer to the roof mold line than usual, in my opinion. So either the doors are larger or the roof got smooshed down a little. Likely the latter. Reduced frontal area yields a linear reduction in aerodynamic drag.
I like the car because it’s plain. It indicates that GM is shooting for the masses and not a select few styling types. You change the world with Malibu’s not Ferraris.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:35 am
It looks like what it is intended to be, a commuter, people mover. If you were expecting a sports car then the tesla is available. The really big news is what is under the hood, the breakthrough technology.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:35 am
@35 RB
GM will sell every volt they make. As price comes down to a reasonable amount the car will continue to sell quickly for the next gen volts
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:40 am
RB@35 re reasons why people may not buy a Volt…
You make a lot of good points that may turn out to be valid (none of us know – yet).
All I’d add is that “it’s the pioneers that take all the arrows”. I’m just hoping that there are enough of us (pioneers) for the Volt to get a toe-hold.
Be well,
Tag
“LJGTVWOTR”
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:41 am
For what its worth… I just lowered my interest level from a 9 to a 7 on my wait list record…originally it was a 10.
AKA. I’m still in just not nearly as excited…it will pass and I do still see myself giving up the BMW life style for a Volt…that should count for something because BMW really is the ultimate driving machine.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:43 am
I voted for the concept but will buy the production version if I can afford it. Looks aren’t as important as driving an electric vehicle.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:44 am
I think the production is much better than the concept. I wish they wouldn’t have chosen such an ugly color to showcase it in the first production shots, but I think with a better color it will be much, much more handsome than they concept.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:50 am
As Arnold might say, “Here is a car the girly boys in Washington would drive.” Personally, if I am lucky enough to get my hands on one, I’ll just slap a Harley decal on the back window – that should take care of it.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:52 am
There seems to be a couple trains of thought…or two main camps if you will.
The first decides based solely on looks– ‘the what have you done to my Volt camp’
The second is the– ‘you have to look at the car for what it is going to do, not the image’ .
However, if you are in camp 2, you would think logically you would also be in the camp of, don’t give me anything fancy, just give me the basic necessities for the best price and get as many on the road as you can. (I would class these people as, ‘get us off oil’ or ‘eco-friendlies’…I myself fall in both camps, so I’m still going to buy it, but ONLY IF is the first EV on the road)
Judging by the comments on the last thread, GM has pretty much maligned camp 1 who were expecting the concept, or something close (as GM lead us to believe), so thats a done deal, we have to move on, those people are gone.
Now the greater risk is still pricing this car as if it was the concept, which would alienate a good bulk of group 2.
I would think also this group (similar to myself) has a high perpensity for not being ‘car/brand specific’ but rather to buying the vehicle that lets them conscientiously take the ‘high road.’ More of the ‘image is nothing’, ’statement is everything,’ type of personalty.
So I would think if GM does use this site to gauge reaction they would understand that they need to be really fast out the door and they need to try somehow to control the price tag. (although I have no idea how they would do that, without taking a loss, which they can’t afford to do). At the very least, do one of the two.
EDIT: Deleted my last sentance, I just realized some site security issues, lol.
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September 9th, 2008 at 8:56 am
#48 serpent2 says “GM will sell every volt they make.”
If the car had an appearance close the the concept, I would have agreed. The core group buying the car would have been male, technology-oriented buyers who are old enough to have $40K.
Now I’m doubtful the male tech group will be attracted to a $40K car that no one will notice, and I don’t see what other group will take their place.
The first 10K Volts is not very many in a pool of 10M so I expect all these will be sold, maybe some with discounts. If a later model year has 100K, I’m not confident, unless there are really big discounts. In any event, if I were a dealer, I would be thinking “high risk”.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Ok… so the Volt has become a “plain Jane” Car.. ON THE OUTSIDE.. Let’s look “under the hood”… that’s what I am going to be paying for. Heck if I could put the “power train and interior” on a frame and put my 07 Maxx body on top.. That would be great.. I would gladly give up 10 MPC for the 5 Seater with a BIG hatch.
The production car does look plain but… you could drop those mirrors and put a couple of mini cams and I bet you could get a couple more MPC… Costing probably would not justify it but that’s for the aftermarket people..
GM…. Black Grill…Black metailic paint… tinted windows.. 18 inch wheels (definately NOT Bridgestone tires) and when can I pick it up.
Ray
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:01 am
The aggressive design of the prototype coupled with the idea of a (nearly) electric car had me waiting in line to buy one. But after I saw the leaked photos, I’m extremely underwhelmed. It looks like an uninteresting, generic foreign car. Take me off the waiting list. I’ll wait for something better.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:04 am
RE #35
Well reasoned.
However, if I was a dealer, and was given a list of contact details in my area from our wait list. Then I would expect a few easy sales. If there are any dealers having trouble shifting Volts that’s good for buyers, and I’m definitely a buyer.
I said in the poll that I preferred the production model. But my answer comes from parsing the question. I would prefer a vehicle with adult usable rear seats and the rear door on the concept was a child only door (just too small).
I like the look of the concept more, but the production is more practical. I think that it will look better in a darker color like the one from the set of the Transformers movie.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:07 am
54 Statik, I fall into group 2. I have never owned a GM product and want the Volt to be my first. IF however Toyota comes out with a gen 3 prius that does the same 40 miles EV (even on Highway) before using gas and can get it to me in 2009 I’d be very hard pressed to continue on with the volt. I don’t think Toyota has a chance of doing this. I’d love to support an American car maker, but I’m already going to be giving them a 50 billion dollar bailout so really I don’t feel too bad especially if they can’t beat the competition. I’m pulling for GM on this one and believe they’re going to change the world and their company with this platform. I just hope they do a good job and get it done QUICK.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:08 am
#49 Tagamet comments on “RB@35 re reasons why people may not buy a Volt…”
What I am thinking is that for most people buying a car is a big purchase. They need to have reasons to make a particular purchase, definite motivating factors. They don’t need reasons not to buy, because that is their normal action.
So for an individual (such as me) maybe I will buy one, if as and when they are available, because I am curious and to some degree invested in the EREV idea. I think the appearance is ok, just bland.
But if I were a Chevy dealer (which I am not), I would like to be thinking about selling a lot of cars to a lot of people. Also, at the moment I would be very nervous about cars or trucks just sitting there, as too many have done lately. Most cars appeal to some more or less specific group, so I have a general idea of who I am trying to sell to. Maybe the Volt will find a group, but right now I just can’t figure who that group will be.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:11 am
I like both…
The concept served its purpose, it showed people what an EV or RE-EV could be like… from drive train point of view. If that drive train would have been put in a Malibu, this site wouldn’t exist nor all the hype that surrounded this car.
For me I felt in love with the drive train first and the look second. Imagine that, no gas needed for the first 40 miles and no fear of range with the added ICE.
I will never buy a Prius as it always required gas… and if you ask me the battery is more a “placebo” then anything else in a Prius. As for the Volt, well we all know about the Volt
People who whish to get the concept car need to take a step back and understand GM was caught by surprise, this was more a “style” exercise as far as the exterior scin is concerned. They never tough people would felt in love with it, but it was too late that exterior scin couldn’t acheive the 40 miles range… Now look at the production design, they tried to take as much as they could, front lights, the hood, the back (which is pretty much the same), the black roof and I could go on…. no 20 something tires, but hey can you list me cars that have 20 something tires (not trucks, cars).
They have done a great car, a family car, a commuting car, a practical car…
And I still want it in Red.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Sorry – the new car looks plain, un-inspired, and “prius” like.
The concept looks slick, sporty, and does not look like anything else on the road.
Thanks for putting the pictures together, it is hard to really wrap your mind around what is different…
Way to blow a cool concept GM….
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:15 am
#58 Mark says “…if I was a dealer, and was given a list of contact details in my area from our wait list. Then I would expect a few easy sales.”
I had forgotten about the contact list, and I agree. The contact list is a tremendous asset, and if there are a reasonable number on the list who have identified me as their (potential) dealer, I would have a good reason to give selling Volts a try.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:17 am
In deference to Exp_eng, I consider myself reasonably well informed re the Volt and it’s saga. I know that the mission goals (AER=40+) demanded a Volt that looks markedly different than the concept. I really wish that Lyle hadn’t put the both vehicles’ pictures together. I really do love the Concept. The production model…. not so much.
Be well,
Tag
“Let’s STILL just get the Volt’s wheels on the road!!”
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:17 am
When you see the two pictures together like above, you can see there is no similarity between the two. The production Volt doesn’t look anything like the Concept Volt. Is that a problem? For some of us, yes. For some, no. The production Volt does not look as aggressive or distinctive, but yet it is a nice looking car by today’s standard. I must admit, for myself, it is a kind of a let-down. I was hoping for a more “striking” look. Would I buy one? Absolutely! But, I know that by 2011 or 2012, when I will be able to see one in a local showroom, there will be several other very good choices available. I will, like many others, take a look at the competition and weigh the differences. But I do want to buy American, if I can.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:19 am
#22 Morgan
14 Statik:
I thought the pictures were leaked to Autoblog?
If so, Autoblog is far from a GM fan site.
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Official story:
The photos were posted by a company in Dallas, called Wieck Media, which stores photos for GM and posts them, when instructed, on the automaker’s media Web site.
Padgett was sitting at his desk about 12:22 p.m. Monday and scrolling through photos on the Wieck Media-run Web site autodeadline.com when he found the Volt photos. He quickly downloaded the pictures, which have been picked up by blogs worldwide.
New hotness linky:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080909/AUTO01/809090372/1148
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:19 am
I am an enormous fan of GM, way before the EREV concept. Will only ever buy a GM car. That’s just me.
So I have some comments:
This production Volt will probably sell, but not for the reasons it needed to. It is simply to ordinary and plain.
The Volt is the introduction to a new type of car and chassis. It will change everything in the future and will likely be the foundation for changing the way cars are made. GM wanted to unveil it at the 100th anniv. Do YOU think THIS car is going to EXCITE anybody??
Sure, if all you are focusing on is the technology, you are happy. Most people DO NOT focus on the technology. It is an emotional decision, mixed in with financial reality. The foremost problem I see is the financial one. This car will not sell at $40K to anybody other than those who want the technology. If you have that kind of money to spend on a car, then the gas prices are not that big of an issue for you. I am in that camp. I could spend 40K on a car, but I won’t for something that looks this bland. I will wait until GM puts the technology in a car that I want to drive, not have to.
On the other side of the financial issue, if you are really hurting on gas prices and you don’t have a lot of money to spend, at 40K this car is simply out of reach. So it will not sell to those people. THIS car, with THIS style will sell to these folks if it would come in at about $22K. These people are less choosy about their car styling, and are buying mainly as a financial decision.
Basically, this is a mistake. GM was HAMSTRUNG by the promise of 40 MPC. That promise dictated the final shape of this Volt more than anything.
Those of you who posted here that they better “MEET THAT PROMISE!” got what you wanted. I think GM did about as good as they could considering the box they were in. Of course, they put themselves in that box.
This car will not inspire anyone to buy it other than for its technology. GM needed to build a car that people wanted to buy REGARDLESS of the technology under the skin. The only way for E-Flex to really take hold is for people to want to buy the cars because it is an attractive car, not because of the technological promises. Otherwise it will be easily overshadowed by others.
The rest of the auto world has got to be breathing a sigh of relief. This car leaves the door WIDE OPEN for another car or someone else to come in a deliver on the emotions being unleashed on this site right now. THAT is what GM should be paying attention to.
The question is: WHO will deliver the emotional satisfaction and conection first? GM better hope it is their next E-Flex offering, or I think MAZDA will come in and steal the thunder. GM better watch out for MAZDA.
I have not given up on E-Flex, I am just really disappointed that they took an amazing opportunity to dictate and control this discussion and fell flat with a generic Volt. They are going to have to pitch ths car as one you will HAVE to own in the future, rather than one you WANT to own. So sad.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:19 am
#61 frankyB says “They have done a great car, a family car, a commuting car, a practical car…”
It would be a great car for such purchasers. The problem is that they will be thinking of small as meaning inexpensive. That is, the Volt is too expensive for this demographic, by and large.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:20 am
#35 RB
I would think at least for the time, being there will be a lot of Chevy dealers that will not be selling this rig. First of all, GM announced that this vehicle would only be available in three states on the first run. Secondly a dealer will be required to invest in some very expensive equipment and training of personnel to be able to sell this auto. The Ford dealer I just purchased my 08 Escape from does not sell the Hybrid because he said the equipment is too expensive for his dealership. I think it will be the large dealerships that will invest in this program for now.
Again, I am on the original list here and will stay on it, but I don’t for see being able to purchase this vehicle much before 2012.
Tom
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:21 am
To me it is very dull. What’s with the black paint below the windows? It’s a slicked up previous generation malibu to me. I have never been a fan of the Prius but it is more cool and unique to me that this volt. I think the new winner is the Honda Insight. They really should have made the first e-flex a Saturn designed by Opel.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:22 am
A simple design change should be implemented…
One of the coolest facets of the concept that’s not inherently noticed, is the wrap around look of the frame by the windshield. Where the side support beams are not colored.
I think GM should do this with the production. Make the front right/left support pylons “black”, and then change the top roof bar to be colored. Restoring the concept’s horseshoe look.
This would accomplish a goal of giving the Volt a very distinguished and unique look (something that pushed the Prius sales beyond other hybrids).
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Concept Volt , sexy ,cool , eye catching , awesome, game changer, instant classic
Production Volt cute not sexy, better looking than a Prius , will be remembered as a car that change the way we drive and started the world down a path of electrification of the auto industry world wide and will play a large part in making USA Oil independent.
I will buy a Volt! Thanks GM
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Maybe I’m just different, but I really perfer the styling (or the lack of it) of the production car over the concept. I remmember a few weeks ago commenting to my wife what a great looking car the new Honda Civic was. I admit, as an engineer, I have always perfered function over fashion.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:29 am
#67 MetrologyFirst said “I have not given up on E-Flex, I am just really disappointed that they took an amazing opportunity to dictate and control this discussion and fell flat with a generic Volt. They are going to have to pitch ths car as one you will HAVE to own in the future, rather than one you WANT to own. So sad.”
Speaking of sad, there was one GM person who looked sad on the series of Volt pictures in Lyle’s previous post. Strangely, that was Mr. Boniface, the exterior designer. His picture seemed like the pictures one sees of people who have big opportunities that don’t quite make it, such as losing quarterbacks after the Super Bowl.
Now maybe it wasn’t sad, just winsome, the passing on of his baby. Or, maybe that is just his personality. But his picture is notably different in its facial expression.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Lets just scratch this whole effin’ Volt shell, take the drivetrain and stick it into a revamped Fiero!
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:30 am
I’m a motorcycle guy and haven’t been excited about any car for a very long time, until I saw concept Volt, but….
The production Volt is awful. How uninspired can GM get?
I’ll just keep the cars I’ve got and buy a new bike… they get better gas milage than the volt and they’re a lot more fun to ride.
Take my name off the list… what a waste!
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Jason at 71:
That alone could help a lot. It is an excellent suggestion.
And they better offer a wheel size upgrade as well.
Nothing, though, will help with the generic, dull, smooth shape. They really got stuck with the 40 MPC promise.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:32 am
While the production is not as flashy as the concept, it is meant for production. I just hope they will offer the two toned interior like the new Malibu has. I love the orange and black look with an dark silver exterior.
Also on a side note. Anyone else see that OPEC wants to cut production now because they don’t want oil to drop below 100 a barrel. 4.00 gas is here to stay. Hurry GM and help save the day.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:32 am
The frustrating thing about the production design is that it’s lost the essence of the concept. What was particular fun about the initial design was that it had a design usually reserved for a “muscle car”. This, along with the technology, made the price point acceptable.
The 2010 Camaro bears a much more striking resemblance to the Chevy Volt Concept.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:35 am
You need to squint a little but imagine a better color. That color is terrible on a small car. I want to see it in red, wheres’ the photoshops?
A larger wheel size will make a huge difference as well.
This car is much more then looks though, it represents a revolution!
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:35 am
#34 “I think the photos were intentionally leaked to avoid a mob scene and crys about how “ugly” the car is compiared to the concept … when the production volt is revealied”
I agree. I think they are testing the waters. If comments come back generally favorable on the internet then they can make a big splashy debut. If not so favorable, then just a little low key event. I knew this was going to be a problem for them. They showed off that concept way too much and too long.
People are really going to feel like bait and switch. I know I do. The second they put the original concept in the wind tunnel and found it to be unworkable, they should have retired it to the museum then and there for good. Of course I’m pretty sure they knew all along that the original concept was never going to work. They just needed something flashy to draw people in. It worked, but now what?
The bad thing about going first is, now all the other companies out there who are behind can see what not to do. They now have the benchmark that they have to beat. Hopefully the competitors read the internet blogs and forums too. Maybe Ford or Chrysler can surprise me with a sporty, sexy E-REV. I’m not holding my breath. The wind tunnel is a beyatch!
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:36 am
#69 Tom M said “I would think at least for the time, being there will be a lot of Chevy dealers that will not be selling this rig. First of all, GM announced that this vehicle would only be available in three states on the first run. Secondly a dealer will be required to invest in some very expensive equipment and training of personnel to be able to sell this auto. ”
Tom — yes, I agree. Maybe everything will balance out fine, plenty of cars for just a few dealers.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:37 am
When shown a photo of my dream date, I was filled with Luzt. I wanted her. She seemed to have it all; brains and beauty. She was an icon of desire. The masses wanted her. Most of my friends thought she was beautiful. But, our date wasn’t going to happen until 2010 – enough time for reality to creep in. Some friends asked, “How could anyone be so perfect?” She had to have some flaws. You can’t really tell from a photo and a description. Then I catch a glimpse of her. She seems plain. She’s has classic “girl-next-door” looks. What wil it do to my image if people see me with a plain Jane?
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:44 am
66 Statik:
The thing is the ad agency controls all that information. The pictures could be emailed but if they were up on a GM media website then its the ad agency.
GM doesn’t totally control the content on their websites. The ad agency does that too.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Well, I’m a bit disappointed as this “final Design” does not reflect the technology which is inside the car.
Hopping that Toyota’s next gen. Prius will get a bit more from the Concept-Car:
http://www.thetorquereport.com/hybrid_x_concept_side-thumb.jpg
http://www.thetorquereport.com/toyota_hybrid_x_concept_new.jpg
Kind reg. from Germany
Michael
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Well I must admit that the concept got my (electric) motor running, but taking a long hard look at teh production, ther are definitely many lines shared, the hood indent,the side panels. Looks like the prod unit is a bit taller for the 6′+ crowd, some of the more agressive angles have softened. HTe rims could be cooler, but that is simple enough. biggest change seems to be the glass..
Over all I like the unit, it is different..to Quote ThombDbohmb “She’s has classic “girl-next-door” looks” but she has a few suprises like lacy racies under that girl next door outfit…I won’t kick her out of bed for eating crackers…
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:50 am
While somewhat disappointed in the radical changes I will still be in the
market for the Volt when it becomes available. The reality is that if you
are going for areodynamics, there are limits to what you can do. Also, the
roof line of the concept probably was totally impractical. But I’d certainly
be willing to give up 10 miles AER for the concept.
But IMHO the production looks very unlike the concept and like any other
small car on the road today. Bottom line, the technology may be ground
breaking, but the style is vanilla… JMHO.
Go Volt
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Let me be more specific in my opinion of the production Volt. Although I voted for the concept Volt in the poll, that poll was asking which we preferred. I like the looks of the concept much better, but it is not going to be produced. The production version will be produced. It will sell everyone GM can make. Leave no doubt in anyone’s mind, this is still a game changing car. GM should be congratulated for a job well done, so far. We will reserve final judgment until we can actually drive the real thing. So, congratulations, GM. You have a good looking production car, so let’s get the wheels on the road.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:54 am
I talked to a few people about what they thought about the production Volt, and it seems like the males prefer the concept Volt and the females preferred the production Volt. What many people may not realize but automakers are no longer only trying to reach out to fanatical male drivers, but it seems like the newer cars are reached MORE to female drivers (mothers and working women). Safety, fuel economy, easy to use features, etc… Think about it. Have many commercials have you seen lately that advertises the 0-60mph time and maximum torque? The females I talked to though the Volt concept looked too muscular and just didn’t appeal to them. I will guarantee you that the commercials that will show the production Volt will only talk about the safety rating, fuel economy and range, and the interior features. Very little will be about the details of the technology that fanatics like us are interested in. The reason you see so many people on this site bash the looks of the production Volt because many on this site seems to be males who want that muscular look in their car along with the amazing technology, but this car isn’t for the fanatics. This design is more for the masses.
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:55 am
#88 N.Riley said “he production version will be produced. It will sell everyone GM can make.”
Who do you think is going to by them (what demographic) once production is 50K and up?
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September 9th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Who ever thought the term ” Malibu mule ” was going to be so prophetic.
I will have to wait for the 30 MPC Pontiac excitement version.
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:02 am
I’d like to bring up a old chestnut if I could:
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The automaker recently showed a near-production version of the Volt to a focus group in southern California. “It was very positive,” (Karla) Coleman (GM PR spokeswoman) said. “It’s not like we can change the design at this point, but we want to hear feedback about how we’re doing.”
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I’m guessing the focus group never heard of, let alone saw the Volt before? Or maybe this was just the PR department doing waht PR departments do?
(Source:http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080730/AUTO01/807300346)
Karla does say she wants to hear feedback about how they are doing, I assume she still has the same desire now… as I’m sure the ‘GM Design Communications’ department is a very sincere place…maybe we should drop her a line?
Karla Coleman
GM Design Communications
karla.1.coleman@gm.com
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:02 am
It’s not ugly like the Prius or the old Insight, so I’m happy. I know I have low standards, as long as a car doesn’t make me cringe, like the Prius, it looks good enough to me. A more fair poll would be to compare the Volt to likely competitors.
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:04 am
I’ll go with CBK: the concept was eye-catching. However, the changes from the concept either have to do with aero (no the wheels can’t be big and bulge out from the car) or practicality (yes, I like to be able to sit without my head hitting the roof and I like to see out). The concept is a fine movie car, would look great sitting in the driveway, but I wouldn’t want to actually drive one.
The more interesting question, raised by RB, is whether the styling is distinctive enough to let everyone know about the tech. While the concept styling is irrelevant, the styling isn’t. GM will be able to sell this car on the tech alone — no question about it — if the styling lets everyone know about the cool tech it skins. As for women not being comfortable with the tech, I think this is wrong. In my informal but definite poll (LOL), they love the idea of an electric plug-in car but are freaked by the idea of running out of juice. When they hear about the backup ICE they are completely on board. (Somehow I think GM knows this …)
Whatever GM does, it needs to fix the grill. I thought nasaman had gone off the deep end but it turns out a lot of people who otherwise like the design hate the fake grill, and the people who hate the grill are the more technically inclined. That’s the target market so the grill matters. It’s also a small and fixable issue which has a potentially big payoff.
OTOH if oil goes to $200/bbl then it won’t matter. The waiting list will be a year or two long.
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:10 am
So there we have it! Again, the American Auto industry scratches its head and wonders why it continues to be uncompetitive. Well, its rather simple really, you have a concept car that looks the job, its sporty, aggressive, very American…stands out in the crowd, than along comes the production Volt, and oh dear, we have lost our confidence! Yes, I can put down on paper what I want to achieve, but oh my! go out and do it, well that’s another thing… GM Volt the story of the teenage boy who can dream but does not have the courage to follow through. Yes, GM good job, lets go with a SAFE looking car, yes a beached whale form would be great, and then we will sit down and wonder why after spending so much money on research and development the car was not a success. GM so close yet so far away, remember FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE! I can bet the Japanese and Europeans are breathing alot easier when looking at the next limp American introduction
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:12 am
What a gigantic dissapointment! This car looks like a Chevy Cobalt! GM finally had a chance to think out of the box and set a new standard, but -as always- they have missed their opportunity and are doomed for failure.
This was the last, best hope for GM and they are blowing it. I fear this is the beginning of the end for this once great company.
Bring on the Honda Insight and the Fisker-Karma!
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:14 am
“It will be highly aerodynamic, high tech, not be a Cobalt with a battery, and per Bob Lutz ‘look unmistakably like the Volt’.”
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:17 am
#94 DonC says “The more interesting question, raised by RB, is whether the styling is distinctive enough to let everyone know about the tech. While the concept styling is irrelevant, the styling isn’t. GM will be able to sell this car on the tech alone — no question about it — if the styling lets everyone know about the cool tech it skins. As for women not being comfortable with the tech, I think this is wrong. In my informal but definite poll (LOL), they love the idea of an electric plug-in car but are freaked by the idea of running out of juice.”
So you are thinking that the target demographic will be relatively-hgh-income independent-minded female. That’s a new thought to me, but maybe so. I can imagine people who would be in that group, and the Volt looks the part.
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:17 am
As an echo to Aspherical @ 89, I showed the comparison photos to my wife. She also said she likes the production Volt. The way the market is going our 401k and our IRA aren’t doing too well, so this is going to be a major undertaking for us retired types when the time comes. I guess that makes us another demographic: tech minded, retired, with modest finances.
Bottom line: the Mrs has to be onboard.
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Production version looks like a more compact/futuristic Malibu vs. the concept which was muscle car. Maybe that’s smarter for the market, but it does feel a little like bait and switch.
Looking forward to seeing the interior. Hopefully on “aero” adjustments there
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:20 am
I like the concept design,it grabs the eye.
But to produce a car by the same name that has very little resemblance to the original,is very disapointing.
The consumer wants style,we want WOW from the world of electric and hybrid cars.
NOT EGGS.
GM,wake-up;drink coffe or a RED BULL,you are loosing your market.
Do you want to be baught -out bt Dubi?
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:20 am
#96 ThombDbhomb
“It will be highly aerodynamic, high tech, not be a Cobalt with a battery, and per Bob Lutz ‘look unmistakably like the Volt’.”
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Now your just being cynical. Oh, I think I found another picture of the production Volt as well…
http://www.treehugger.com/bob-lutz-volt-001.jpg
/couldn’t resist (too early still?)
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#94 DonC
I haven’t taken a poll, but ‘officially’ my wife said to me when I showed her, “That is Volt? It looks like ****! The only way your spending 40K on that is if you buy me a Sky”
It’s looking like the Volt is going to be really expensive now for me! Now I’m secretly glad now that GM is shutting down the Sky/Solstice line (well discontinuing the Kappa II plans).
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:24 am
hmmm.. why is the concept still on the main banner for the site… I guess the site owner likes the concept better too.. or is it that more people will be attracted to a site for a nice looking car than a tin can?
time to dump the concept from the banner I think and replace it with the lousy car.. GM let us all down
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Every thing in life is a compromise, every guy cannot have Angelina as his wife and every gal cannot have Brad as her husband. NEWS FLASH ITS THE SAME WITH CARS. If you want a no compromise car go out and buy a super car for over 100 grand. Please just admit that the car is the best looking electric vehicle for the price!!!!!
And if you guys think the car is to girly looking put your favorite body part the one you do your thinking with on the hood and you will get plenty of attention. So if the economy doesnt collapse because of the republicans the car will sell out every year that it is produced period. As the FIRST ELECTRIC VEHICLE IN DECADES YOU CAN BANK ON THAT.
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:39 am
I voted for the cocept, primarily because the grill on the production version looks very CHEAP.
This has no effect on my desire for a car that will go 40 miles w/o gasoline.
If Buick or Cadillac announce better versions before I can get a Chevy, I may wait a little longer.
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:42 am
I still say the production is better, as it actually DOES what I want it to do. The concept, even if ti was built with the same innards, would not.
Also, this may just be my own bias, but if you park the concept volt on the street, it will be MUCH more likely to be stolen as it is so distinctive. Park the production one, and it blends in well enough to not have that issue. This will help as far as security goes, too.
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Excitement over the look of concept
Yawn, over production. Price too high, Looks = so, so, so what
Somebody else will make a better looking car that will do the same thing or more…
GM, once again disappoints and will lose big over this one…
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Some comments, likely repeated above, but since we are counting comments now to get trends, it seems posting duplicates is welcomed…
The poll is missing an option – don’t like either designs.
To me this car reaks of compromise – bad compromise. It look tiny. I doubt my 6′3″ frame will fit. It also looks bland. All this and the aero and weight are still high? I can say I’m disappointed. If they wanted to make this car a game changer, do it right and take some risks. This middle of the road vehicle will be “OK”, but not a game changer.
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:51 am
The concept could sell more to boy racers…but that’s not the main market they are going after…it’s people who want to stop sending our money to terrorists.
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Chevonly@103 said
“Every thing in life is a compromise, every guy cannot have Angelina as his wife and every gal cannot have Brad as her husband. NEWS FLASH ITS THE SAME WITH CARS. If you want a no compromise car go out and buy a super car for over 100 grand. Please just admit that the car is the best looking electric vehicle for the price!!!!!
And if you guys think the car is to girly looking put your favorite body part the one you do your thinking with on the hood and you will get plenty of attention. So if the economy doesnt collapse because of the republicans the car will sell out every year that it is produced period. As the FIRST ELECTRIC VEHICLE IN DECADES YOU CAN BANK ON THAT.”
Boy, you had me 100% until you threw “Republicans” under the bus.
Tag
LJGTVWOTR!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:55 am
I like the concept much better. The production kinda of looks like a bigger aveo. The concept had a lot of style and nice lines. Of course I will still look to buy it. I am on the waiting list…
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September 9th, 2008 at 10:58 am
#101 Statik
Cynical? I’m just sayin’, how could it not look unmistakably like the Volt? It is the Volt. By definition, it looks unmistakenly like itself.
Those salesmen know how to turn a phrase.
I want my 40-mile AER sedan. Go Volt!
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:01 am
I never liked the looks of the concept car. Everything is out of proportion – tires too big, roof too low. The overall look was not pleasing at all. That being said, I was excited about the drive concept. The production version, I think, will more closely align with the average consumers desire in the looks of a car.
And it certainly looks MUCH BETTER than the Prius!
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:07 am
I would like to know how GM says a futuristic car, when the New 2010 Honda Insight stands out more now, lights, front end, styling. The Volt now looks like a regular GM car, Most of the styling has gone. Is it me or did something happen.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:07 am
This is not the car that I want! I have to wait 4 years for a Toyota Camry looking car??
Why GM can’t build a car that willl WOW everybody.
Why can’t they build a head turner car???
I remember the first time I show the concept car to my wife, she said… man I am driving a Honda and you will be driving a “Bat Mobile”. If I buy this car… She will be driving the Honda and I feel like I am driving a Toyota Camry.
I would love to drive a “Bat Mobile”……
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:08 am
I guess that everyone still thinks that gas is cheap, and we should still be driving 1968 Mustangs / Cameros / Chargers with 350 V-8 engines that get 12 MPG.
And I far as I can tell, there has not been a sticker price to look at yet, so how are you all so sure what this car will cost? And don’t give me the “Lutz said it would cost” story. When the price is stuck to the window of a Volt, I will believe it.
And who will buy this car? Everyone, when gas hits $5.00 / gal, all this talk about the concept styling will go right out the window!!! Does anyone here really expect gas to go back to $1.00 / gal?
Where are all those people (Tag, you were one, as I recall) that said “Give Me An Electric Vega. I don’t care what it looks like, just get me an E-REV!” I just can’t believe how short the memories are around here……
The concept was a concept. When they built it, it was never expected to get to a production status. High volume production cars have to be able to comfortable carry people of most sizes, so in the end they start to look the same. Imagine that!!
The only thing I really agree with is that they should have put away the concept car, so people would not have linked that style with the car named Volt.
Now show me the interior!!!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:08 am
#111 the average consumer would be ashamed to be seen in the production volt
you failed me yet again GM, I guess I will buy a Nissan GTR
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Works for me. LJGTVWOTR!
#49 Tagamet:
Not to worry. We’re ready.
#63 RB:
Good point. I don’t think that they would even have to stock any cars for the first year+. Just call the people on the “contact list”, and see who puts their money where their mouth is.
#73 Dewayne:
Well if you’re different, so am I. I agree with you 100%.
#81 DaV8or:
The wind tunnel is the bottom line for me. I’m fine with the styling, but I will be disappointed if the drag numbers aren’t better than the Prius. The wind tunnel truly is a “beyatch”. It doesn’t lie, and you can’t fake your way through it with flashy styling. Mileage bragging rights are going to sell this car.
#98 Michael:
My situation is exactly the same as yours as to both resources and the Mrs. It’s going to be her car. If she doesn’t buy in, no car. Well said.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:11 am
I wonder what kind of reception the Volt would get had they never opened up the development process and just rolled the car out touting it as an electric vehicle that can go 40 miles w/o gasoline?
It just seems to me that more people are concerned with the looks than what this vehicle stands for. Any way you look at it it’s better looking than the pregnant roller skate.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:15 am
First, thank you Lyle for re-running the pole!
The concept built the excitement and the vision. Then GM comes out with this boringly ordinary, run of the mill car. At the price they’re talking about, they could have sold 100,000 units of the concept car in the first year, now, it will take them 3 or 4 years to sell 100,000 units.
But I have faith in the other car companies who will see how GM dropped the ball and fell flat on their face. So the concept car or something very very close will be available, just not from GM.
GM has outlined a classic example of how to fail with a great idea.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:22 am
This looks like a sub $20k car.
For a bit shorter electric range and higher wind resistance, they could have had any price they want.
Design does not equal the expected $35 (after gov rebate) price.
End of Line.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:23 am
“It just seems to me that more people are concerned with the looks than what this vehicle stands for.”…. I know what it stands for. However, I am in sales Image is very important. Why can’t they build a good looking car? If all I care about is saving gas I will go get a scooter!
SORRY!!!!
GM had a perfect chance to build a car that can WOW the world… but yet they build a normal looking car! GM fail again! No wonder they are not doing well…
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am
The most comments ever on the previous thread. Great job Lyle!
Bob Lutz & Co.:
I sure hope that you know what a huge asset you have here. I think that the dealers could farm this blog and sell out the first 1-2 years production before your ever even build a car.
LJGTVWOTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am
@102 Phil,
>> hmmm.. why is the concept still on the main banner for the site…
>> I guess the site owner likes the concept better too..
Some folks (including Lyle) have day jobs, too.
Sincerely,
Another Underappreciated Volunteer Webmaster
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:29 am
#97 RB – “So you are thinking that the target demographic will be relatively-hgh-income independent-minded female. That’s a new thought to me, but maybe so. I can imagine people who would be in that group, and the Volt looks the part.”
Not exactly. We don’t have to speculate who is in the target market. Lutz has explicitly said the people in the target market are highly educated consumers who live on the coasts (I think Toronto is sort of on the coast). This probably means higher incomes as well but he hasn’t explicitly said this. Women make up this demographic. Even if they’re not employed they manage to have a voice in the purchase decision, a fact commonly known where I am as “the spousal approval factor.”
People where I live are in the target demographic. They agree the Prius isn’t very stylish. But you can’t be at an intersection and not see one or go to the grocery store and not find two or three in the parking lot. So with this crowd style is not as important as the green tech.
The interesting point you and MetrologyFirst and some others made was that while the Prius might be not be stylish, it is distinctive, and this distinctiveness lets everyone know that the driver has cool tech and is green and is not going to have to stop at the next gas station. My concern is that the Volt will have a more appealing design than the Prius but will not be distinctive enough to “flaunt the green tech” so to speak.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am
First, most people were saying why do they make them look like little golf carts, why don’t they make them look like real cars, then when they make them look like real cars they are saying oh I’m not going to buy one it looks like a real car
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:38 am
#101 Statik Statik Statik – “That is Volt? It looks like ****! The only way your spending 40K on that is if you buy me a Sky”
LOL. I’m certain that was her reaction. Then again, we know who she’s married to, so I’m unsure what demographic to place her in!
FWIW my wife thinks the production car is “blah”. She loved the concept. But she likes the idea of an EV so it’s not a hard sell for me.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Jim I@113 said in part:
…”Where are all those people (Tag, you were one, as I recall) that said “Give Me An Electric Vega. I don’t care what it looks like, just get me an E-REV!” I just can’t believe how short the memories are around here……”
WHOA, Big Fella! I never said that or anything CLOSE to that. Nope, nope, nope.
Be well (and accurate)
Tag
LJGTVWOTR!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:51 am
#122 DonC
“… My concern is that the Volt will have a more appealing design than the Prius but will not be distinctive enough to “flaunt the green tech” so to speak.”
I may well be in the minority, but … I want a nice looking vehicle that lets me avoid using gas the majority of the time, yet still allow me to take a day trip to Boston or a weekend trip to Maine w/o worrying about running out of power. I don’t particuarly want it to be too distinctive.
I will know what’s under the covers and that is what counts. I’m comfortable enough with myself, that I really couldn’t care less what the guy in the next lane over thinks of my vehicle choice.
besides … too distinctive = Increased chance of theft.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:52 am
IMHO, the production volt looks like a Volkswagen Jetta with a Chevy grill slapped on it. And I’m not too keen on Chevy grills. So, esthetically, it’s a bit of a bomb. Not that I thought the concept volt was all that great either, by the way.
Having said that, I think it’s a fantastic car. If it works as well as we all hope, it will be a game changer. We’ll then see the EREV model multiply through the industry – first at Cadillac, and then at non-GM companies. Someone, eventually, will get the styling right.
What’s more, with a fraction of cars running on electricity, we’ll have a more resilient transportation sector, able to be fueled by all sorts of generation facilities. And with the recent news of the huge increases in natural gas production, we may see a shift in the liquid fuels used to extend the range to those which can be produced from natural gas, like DME or ethanol.
My message to GM: Get it right the first time. No battery explosions/fires. No erratic electrical failures. No firmware freeze-ups. Make the car reliable, reliable, reliable. If you do that, you’ll do great.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:59 am
It’s a good thing they’re only going to make 10,000 in the first year. With how this dog looks, and the price, it will take GM 2 years to sell those first 10,000 units.
How to make a good thing bad, leave it to GM.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
The concept was just that a concept. Don’t get me wrong that car was a head turner, the production though has a more mainstream look. I like the production Volt it doesn’t look like a nerds shoe.
BTW. Is it me or is there no Onstar antenna on the production Volt?
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
A few observations. By the huge jump in the number of comments in the previous post and how obviously most of the people claiming the “take me off the list” or “what happened to the concept Volt” never read any of the previous posts on aerodynamics, I think I can agree the previous sample of people isn’t really representative. It may just be random people who want to step on GM.
Also I wanted to point out how before many people were asking for an electric car which looks NORMAL (as opposed to small cars like the smart, the i-miev, the prius which have a more distinct shape) , now that GM is making a normal looking electric car (looks most like the new Malibu), people have to put it down for being too “normal”. Which do you want?
About the poll I think the bigger question is if you like the production Volt design or dislike it or if you think it’s acceptable. It doesn’t really matter if you liked the concept more because it will never reach production; maybe it’ll be a consideration for a coupe, but we already know aerodynamically it’ll never work out esp when you want to seat people in the rear (looking at the concept picture it looks like you probably won’t be able to seat people in the rear seats, which is why people though it was a 2-door 2-seater coupe at first glance).
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Well, I’m not in a position to read all the posts here, and I’m not looking at what followed my #260-something post in the last thread.
I do have a question, though. Would all of you “GM let us down” people have let the AER/MPC drop below 40 miles without a comment? Wouldn’t we be hearing a loud series of “GM lied, big time/Lutz’s head on a stick” comments instead? Would “Who Killed the Electric Car II” be starting production, somewhere?
I think what the reaction shows is that most people here came after they saw the concept car, and said “Wow.” I didn’t. I heard “40 miles electric before the engine starts,” and said “Wow.” I think the production model looks pretty darned good for something US-made that can do that.
Mind you, I wouldn’t be heart-broken if they decided to change that slap-on grill. It’s a way they could radically alter the appearance without changing anything major about the aero-shape, and might even win a few converts.
Nasaman was concerned about some invisible workings behind the grill, much more so than it’s appearance.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Well they just lost an early buyer….I do not like the looks of that mom and pop car….BTW I`m 67yrs old..I was holding out to buy one but not now…Sorry GM you thought the need to screw it up and grab the middle market…There was no need to…Would I pay 40,000 for that …Not on your life
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
I’m glad us concept lovers are winning the poll this time around…
I felt cheated with the last one going so strongly for the production version…it made me feel like I was being too shallow, which I am but thats beside the point…the bottom line is that we’ve missed our chance to get a game-changer INSIDE and OUT….
Now a game changer inside is in itself still a game changer…
Darken that grill people!
Keep it under $30k!
and of course LJGTVWOTR !!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I am tired of people ridiculing those of us who want to like what we drive. No one here is asking for a Tesla type sports car, or wants to go back to 15mpg Camaros; I don’t understand how a criticism of this car’s styling is a vote for gas guzzling cars. To quote one of my favorite Fast Times movie lines, ” What are you people, on drugs!!?? ”
The fact is this car COULD HAVE set a really high standard for future electric car design and acceptance, putting pressure on the other makers with a very high benchmark. The standard it sets is still OK, it just leaves the bar low for someone else to come along and steal the “styling thunder”. And that WILL happen soon. And we will all be wondering why GM didn’t spice up the car from the start.
GM SCREWED UP by promising 40 MPC. It boxed them in and this is what they HAD to come up with. Again, not a bad car. Just not what many were expecting nor is it exciting at all. It is generic and dull, it is normal and calm, it is common looking.
People in the higher income, independent minded market do not want an ELECTRIC MALIBU! Give me a break! These people CAN AFFORD the gas at 5 bucks/gal. They drive Acuras, Lexus, BMW’s, CTS’s, etc. Not Malibus! The gas price argument just doesn’t apply like it does to those in the low income brackets. And THOSE people can’t afford this car at $40K.
If GM was targeting the high income group, they should have designed this car to have some excitment and sex-appeal and took the hit on the range promise. If they NEVER would have given us a range promise, then came out with a 30MPC fun looking, excitingly styled car, we would all be falling over ourselves thrilled right now. And the bar would have been set high for the next makers coming along.
GM just gave Toyota and Honda and particularly MAZDA, a break. This will be a big, big mistake, I am afraid. Unless GM is coming out with a 30 MPC exciting and fun Pontiac version of the E-Flex ASAP. But I don’t think so.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
ThombDbhomb #96 quotes,
“It will be highly aerodynamic, high tech, not be a Cobalt with a battery, and per Bob Lutz ‘look unmistakably like the Volt’.”
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Thanks ThombDbhomb. I have been thinking about this quote since yesterday. But I couldn’t remember the words exactly. ……‘look unmistakably like the Volt’
Ya right. Missed completely in my opinion.
Looks nothing like the Volt. They managed to put all of the beauty “under the hood” so to speak.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I have to agree with you… it lost almost all of its aggressive and sports car look, smaller rims also…
My cousin had signed up on the waiting list because she loved the sports look of the car, especially its low and wide stance with huge rims. I showed her the production car and she said: “What the hell is that? Is that the Volt? pfff.. don’t want it anymore, looks like a “Chevy Prius” ”
I have to admit though, the angle shot above is not the same for both photographs; the production car might look a bit more sporty using the concept car photo angle.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I’m pretty sure that the buying public will like the production version of the car since 99% of the public will never have seen the concept.
At my workplace, people who make brochures for the public complain that a certain background colour on paper looks different than what’s on-screen. The person getting the brochure will have never seen what it looked like on a computer screen, so who cares?
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Indicative of problem with this car is the initial reaction I am getting from showing the picture to others. I am getting NO reaction. NADA. Just looks like, “OK, its a chevy, SO??”
I am disappointed. I will not be buying an early Volt. Mostly because I don’t have to. The emotional reaction I wanted was one of buying the car because I WANTED to.
THAT is the point, I am trying to make. This car should have been something you would want to buy regardless of whats under the hood. Particularly if the price is north of $35K.
It just isn’t. Gas prices are not high enough yet to make the decision for me.
If gas prices stay in the $3-$4 range for a couple years, The Volt will be run over by more stylish cars from the other makers, probably MAZDA. Unless GM runs it over first with other E-Flex offerings. Bank on it.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I’ll take mine in black please.
Honestly, I think the concept would have been nicer, but do many people really want a 2-door sports car? Look around the roads, and count the percentages of cars with 2 versus 4 doors. Aerodynamics or not, it is much more practical and will appeal to a larger group than a sports car.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Ballers @139:
The concept was a 4 door. I stood beside it in New York. It looked as big as my Grand Am.
Nobody is asking for a 2 seater sports car.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
#110ThombDbhomb
#101 Statik
Cynical? I’m just sayin’, how could it not look unmistakably like the Volt? It is the Volt. By definition, it looks unmistakenly like itself.
Those salesmen know how to turn a phrase. I want my 40-mile AER sedan. Go Volt!
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You know I was just funnin’ with you. Just bringing a little levity to the thread, hehe.
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#124 DonC
#101 Statik Statik Statik – “That is Volt? It looks like ****! The only way your spending 40K on that is if you buy me a Sky”
LOL. I’m certain that was her reaction. Then again, we know who she’s married to, so I’m unsure what demographic to place her in! FWIW my wife thinks the production car is “blah”. She loved the concept. But she likes the idea of an EV so it’s not a hard sell for me.
I know it sounds like something made up…but that is word for word. Especially the swearing part I bleeped out (I don’t swear out loud…ever, my mother was a strict lady, lol).
To be fair she hasa always had nice cars. She is moving out of a BMW Z4, so it is easy to see why she liked the concept.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
There’s a line from “The Princess Bride” that seems to apply to all vehicles electric, “Get used to disappointment.”
When I first went looking for an electric vehicle, I was disappointed that the only ones for sale were glorified golf carts, incapable of freeway use or kit vehicles.
Then I was disapointed that the only few real ones ever for sale now cost several times more than what they originally sold for ($70k for a used RAV4-EV, anyone?).
Then I was disappointed that the only cars upcoming were even more expensive than that or more of the same “punishment cars” that were already out there.
And to top the disappointment, I was terribly disappointed that from a technology perspective the only prototype that would really push the tech to where it should be was the Zap-X and of course being touted from Zap that pretty much guaranteed that none of that technology would ever see the light of day.
So, along comes the Volt. I was excited at the prospect of finally being able to get a real electric vehicle and the generator made it even more accessable. Great!
But then the disappointment came again once I saw it. I was not happy about the original concept appearance, as I wanted a sleek car, not a blocky one. And the acceleration was disapponting. And becoming only a 4 seater was disappointing. And the lack of AWD is disappointing. And cutting the overall gas range was kind of disappointing. And the price is surely disappointing.
And now many of you are disappointed about the new appearance. Believe me, I can understand the feeling.
But, if you kind of ignore all the specific disappointments, the OVERALL car is still very exciting. It’s going to be a GOOD electric drive car. Maybe not a great car, but a GOOD car and with a range extender to make it really extra consumer friendly, too. I still believe that overall automakers have about as much interest in electric vehicles as they did 10 years ago, which is to say very little and they’re looking for any excuse not to make them or sell them.
I’m kind of like Statik, the Volt is not quite the right car for me but it’s reasonably close and I’ll go as far as saying it’s not only likely to be the first good electric drive vehicle you can buy but possibly the only one for several years. But we shall see.
But I still like the new looks.
Except the grille of course. That’s a disappointment. 
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
137 MetrologyFirst says,
If gas prices stay in the $3-$4 range for a couple years, The Volt will be run over by more stylish cars from the other makers, probably MAZDA. Unless GM runs it over first with other E-Flex offerings.
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Or GM just crushes them all at their GM Desert Proving Grounds in Mesa, Arizona
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Sorry this is not the car I though I was buying for 40,000 I am looking at a 25,000 car you are making the case for someone elses car and I am really disapointed I had real hopes for an American come back please dont build it we the people are embrassed by all the talk and you didnt walk the walk.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
#129 Mike
“I like the production Volt it doesn’t look like a nerds shoe. ”
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Hey! Did you pick that ‘nerd’s shoe’ up yourself….or do you owe me a 2 cent royalty check?
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
DonC #94
“GM will be able to sell this car on the tech alone — no question about it ”
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I agree and we’ve got to remember the time line, the technology etc. It just can’t possibly be everything to everyone. It’ll be interesting to see Gens 2 and 3.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
@Bailers: “I think the concept would have been nicer, but do many people really want a 2-door sports car?”
– who said that in order to realize the concept look it had to be a two door? the concept was a 4 seater just like the production model, but in order to retain a sportier look, it could have gone with “freestyle” doors like the Mazda RX8.
Nothing design wise separates this car from the pack. And with a Toyota Camry costing well over $10k less, this isn’t looking very attractive (excuse the pun).
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I liked the concept better, but I’ll still buy a Volt anywhere as long as it’s within my price point. I think GM needs to have a unique design, regardless of whether it’s cool or ugly, because people who buy this car will want to distinguish themselves from others, much like Prius owners. If Toyota can sell hundreds of thousands of Prius’ looking like it does, GM can sell the Volt regardless of design as long as it stands out and makes a statement.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
#140 Statik
I know you were just funnin’ with me. I’ve never been mad at you. In fact, my Lutz quote was unmistakeably Statik-esque. You must be influencing me.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
#137 MetrologyFirst
Well you could get this one. It definitely delivers impact:
http://www.fiskerautomotive.com/vehicles/features/
If you don’t want to spend $100K (I came pretty close to putting a deposit down) then maybe this?
http://www.think.no/think/content/view/full/290
The point would be that there isn’t anything out there that competes with the Volt. It’s an EV you can drive on the freeway with extended range. I’m sure in five or ten years we’ll have more choices. Right now there is one and only one real deal on the table. (The plug-in Prius isn’t in the same league, it will be very expensive, and it will not be distinctive or stylish). If you want the coolest tech you’ll buy it. If you want cooler looks I’d think about the Honda CR-Z or maybe an electric Mini-Cooper (though they’ll probably be $50K).
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Kent 147.
Ya, but GM screwed up. It doesn’t make a statement and won’t stand out in a crowd and it will cost way more than a Prius. What is there to gain? I have to wonder.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Time to update Volt picture at top of page!!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
DaveP @ 142:
I agree with your post. BUT, the technology to build this car exists. This production Volt is staring us in the face.
The question now is one of tradeoffs, electric range vs. styling.
No one I know wants the Volt to be an electric sports car. That is just plain silly. The question is did GM go too far with the aero sculpting to get the 40 MPC promised range?
The question is: What would a 35mpc Volt look like? What about a 30mpc Volt? What about a 25mpc Volt? At what point do we arrive back at the concept. No one has ever answered that question. I don’t think they want to. The answer may be devastatingly close to 25mpc.
Now I’m not saying I wanted a 25mpc Volt. But some compromise would have satisfied a large swath of people who want to drive electric but still want to like what their cars look like and not have to drive around holding their nose. A little excitement. It would have raised the design bar for Toyota and Honda and Mazda. That bar is real low right now. And styling isn’t their strong suit (maybe Mazda).
A 30mpc stylish and “funner” Volt would still have saved a large amount of gas over an existing ICE car. The problem I have is that a lot of those who demanded 40mpc did not want to compromise.
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September 9th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
#144 Grizzly
“… It’ll be interesting to see Gens 2 and 3.”
Especially since we have been told that they have additional eFlex models already under development and the general concensus was that at least two of those other vehicles were under the other blue tarps in the CNBC video from some weeks back … I don’t think we’ll have very long to wait to see those 2nd and 3rd generation options.
I am still hoping for 2012.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
#148 ThombDbhomb
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#140 Statik
I know you were just funnin’ with me. I’ve never been mad at you. In fact, my Lutz quote was unmistakeably Statik-esque. You must be influencing me.
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Okie dokie! I was just checking in, making sure you knew I was as well.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
If the perspective on the production picture were the same as that of the concept, it might look a bit better.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Just my $0.02, but GM should not have tied the production car to the concept…the concept wasn’t good for setting folks expectations….its almost a silver blue Civic Hybrid with the Volt concept painted on it – especially that front end. I still like it and will want one, but the concept just wasn’t good for saying this is where we’re starting. It does seem like they dropped the ball on the front end, it and the back end (which they did well) would seem to be the areas they could’ve stayed truer to the concept.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
I said concept, but I understand the need to place aerodynamics before the concepts bold lines. Overall I’m satisfied with what the production model looks like and how much better it had to make the mechanical portion of the car function. They could have done much worse. I mean just look at the ev-1 pics. As cool as it was it looked like a butt ugly aerobubble. This looks like a comfy sedan with great gas mileage and a 40+ mile AER. I bet it handles pretty nicely also with so much of the car’s weight, low slung, between the wheels as apposed to over the top of them
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
I would like to commend GM for their efforts with the E-flex platform. Very well done game changing product. The aero efforts on the Volt are surely affective. This is a first effort at an EREV and is geared toward the average family. I prefer a more sporty look and will get it in the future, but for now this car will function well. A two door has to be on the horizon given the amount of R&D spent on this platform. Hang on guys, the future will get better! Imagination is the start of the next reality. Although I think the concept looks better, this car is a triumph in technology and this success will bring alternative looking cars along for the ride. Keep up the good work GM!
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
I don’t care for the multi-colored body panels shown (behind the people that are standing in the way of the car). Having owned an F-body Camaro, I purposely purchased one in black to avoid the “ugliness” of the targa-top hoop being a different color. Later production had this panel painted the same color as the rest of the body – maybe this will happen with the Volt as well. Let’s hope.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
I have seen a lot of comments here by people whom are not only disappointed with the look of the production car, but now want off the list, and hate GM, and say no way-no how, etc. etc., blah, blah, blah. I have to really wonder how serious those people were about this car to begin with? I mean c’mon already??? I think when people start seeing these sitting in showrooms, and neighbor’s driveways, and driving next to them on the freeway, and it starts sinking in that the Volt is like nothing else out there, some minds are going to change. I have gone to many car shows with pre-conceived opinions already formed about vehicles, only to be pleasantly suprised when I saw them in person. 2 dimensional pictures can only do so much, then it comes down to a tangible experience. IMO the production version we see here is what came when annoying realities such as physics and a non-negotiable electric range were figured in the picture. Personally I’m glad they didn’t budge on the electric range issue. I’m in the “Camp 2″ that Statik spoke of earlier, (image is < the totality of the vehicle as a green icon). I’m hoping that my suspicions are right that some of the deserters will eventually come back around again.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Statik – enough car stuff. Did you see that the Fannie Freddie conservatorship is being deemed an insurable event?
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/gse-bailout-triggers-over-1/story.aspx?guid={0BD9AF95-0034-4309-85FE-03A8B7B77B32}&dist=TNMKTW
A trillion dollars of credit swaps based on $20B in subordinated debt. Nice leverage. I wonder where all “the government always screws things up, let the market alone” guys are now? On your financial site maybe you should start taking bets on what the actual payout on the dollar will be.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
All the boldness and the excitement of the concept is gone! We’re getting tiny Prius-like tyres. The perceived wide stance is gone. Looks like a goddam Corolla. I’m not paying over 35k for something that looks llike that! What a disappointment!
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
#114 “you failed me yet again GM, I guess I will buy a Nissan GTR”
Didn’t realize Nissan GTR was an ER-EV…can you post a link..otherwise the comment is hanging excrement…
If a non ER-EV is your goal, then why are you here?Personally I would LOVE a Z-06 Corvette…
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I’ve read most of the >700 posts on the prior thread and I’m dismayed (but not surprised) at the large majority who find the final design so disappointing. Here’s what I’d do IMMEDIATELY if I were in GM’s tight-fitting shoes…..
ATTN GM (Bob Lutz, Bob Boniface, et al):
1) Redesign the grills with DEEPLY-recessed flat BLACK insets (use a pattern like that now used) —before the Volt’s official unveiling*
2) Enlarge the wheel wells as needed to accommodate the largest wheels/tires practical —at least 2 wheel sizes larger if possible
These two relatively minor changes should make the car look MUCH more like the concept car —i.e., make it look BOTH like an aggressive muscle/sports car AND like a user-friendly family commuter car —for very little added manufacturing cost.
* Please note that JPL wind tunnel tests have shown the FRONT of cars (or airplanes) can include very deep recesses with minimal increases in drag; also, please look at the production Volt with BLACK grills (thanks to Gordon / #138 here)….. http://www.vector2.com/volt/1.jpg
….and compare the Concept Volt with that in the above link!
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Tag: If I unfairly linked you to something you did not say, I of course apologize. But I sure do remember the “Get me an E-REV, who cares what it looks like” comments we were seeing here a few months ago. Do you agree with that? Where are all those people now?
BTW, is there any way to turn off the e-mail responses for a particular blog entry, once you have clicked the box to accept those e-mails? Almost 700 e-mails about the pictires, with so many full of incorrect information, is taking way too much time to delete out of the in-box…………
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Toyota must be breathing a huge sigh of relief.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
@163 Nasaman,
Agree with your suggestions. You might also want to have a peek at this forum thread:
http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1462
The thread starter (dilettante) blackened the columns, which I think helps; then I added a darker grille (a ‘la Gordon). I think the combination is a step in the right direction.
Regards,
omatic
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Jim I @ 164
Yeah, I definitely remember a chorus of “I don’t care if it looks like a hamburger” posts. Just not from Moi.
LOL You cna “unsubscribe from a thread by going to the home page and then to your profile (I think). I do know that there’s a way – I just don’t want to miss any of Statik’s posts (grin)
Be well,
Tag
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Agreed, i’m very upset by this, i don’t know if it is too late for another re-design but that is the only thing that would get me to consider purchasing a volt now.
I’ve been absolutely avid, talking up the Volt concept to my friends and family…….i’m just flabbergasted at this point. The ghastliness of the production compared to the concept……..it’s not even the same car…..honestly i’m upset GM botched it so bad.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
They may have been able to sell the concept for $30-$40k but not this one. It will have to sell from $20-$30k at the most. GM really blundered with the tiger concept to kitten production.
The model of the concept volt that sits on my desk looks nothing like the production model.
I was really waiting on the VOLT and would not buy another car… I guess I can settle for the Prius now. Or I can wait for the plug in Prius.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
I liked the concept better but it does not matter as I wont be able to find one or afford one in 2010. And I guarantee you that by 2013 the volt will look nothing like the above production car also wont have the bugs or maybe even the li-on battery. Whats important is that they get this car out. Think of the above volt as a mule. If you dont like it wait for one of the many eflex versions GM is planning to put out. I myself will most likely buy that new compact they announced and upgrade to an eflex later on volt or not. GM dont pay no mind to the pessimists keep up the good work.
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September 9th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
#166 MIKE-O-MATIC:
I just looked at your “enhancements”–the blackened grille does seem to add something. Couple that with larger tires like NASAMAN just recommended and they just may sway a few more people back into the “like it/love it” class again.
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September 9th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Exp_EngTech is wrong about who is responding to these threads.
Those that have been loyal to the idea of the Volt are also those that feel betrayed. Some aspects of the concept should have spilled over into the production but there is hardly any resemblance at all. It looks like a generic car. The electric drive train is amazing but I think those that want to buy it want to show it off and inspire those that do not have one to buy it. In this case no one would even notice that your car was any different from the one driving next to it. We’ll see what happens.
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September 9th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
PS there is a lot of cosmetic basic changes you can do yourself to make it look better. For one that grill, the color and those rims. But then again are we really here because of the look of the car? As far as I see it, it look much better then a prius.
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September 9th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
All I can say is, the seats had better be as comfy as a La-Z-Boy or my wife will never buy a $40,000 electric powered Dodge Neon. Looks more like she will give in to the Camaro Convertible. Yeah!!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
The production model Volt just proves the point that the American automakers don’t want to sell cars (or at least don’t understand what makes cars sell in numbers). You cannot get the public salivating over a 9.5 or 10 concept and then deliver a 2 and expect them to buy it. The AERO requirements argument assumes we are not that bright. GM will sell a few to some folks looking to save a buck on gas, but at 35K+ a pop most will head elsewhere (Honda, Toyota or Mazda) and get a nicer looking 30+MPG model for around 15-20K.
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September 9th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
ATTN nasaman,
I think you need to give up the delusions. That is one post amongst near two hundred in one thread amongst hundreds on one site among thousands on one type of media amongst dozens. BOLDING is not going to help any more than changing the colour of some of the parts of the Volt.
GM uses this site as a PR tool and little else. Unless you’ve got billions of dollars to “lend” them (at a very affordable interest rate) get in line with the rest of the “yes men” and watch what is left of the beloved Volt fade into niche mediocrity over the next few painful years.
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September 9th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
#113 Jim I:
I said it and I’m still here. I’ve said about 20 times. I said it again yesterday. I don’t care what it looks like as long as it has 40 miles AER and gets 50 mpg on the range extender.
#171 Schmeltz:
Enhancements are fun. When we got our Impala SS we stole an idea from a fellow owner and had our striper black out some of the chrome with some magic striping tape he had. It’s still on there 13 years later. It just sort of enhances the stealth black look. It cost about $50. I’m sure it would be easy to do something similar with the Volt’s grille. Or, the aftermarket will come out with a grille “enhancement” in about a heartbeat if enough people want to change it.
Lowering the ride heigtht isn’t very expensive and it always looks good, if you can stand it going in and out of driveways.
Watch it with the wheels though. There’s a reason the Prius’ wheels and tires look the way they do. Rolling resistance is a big issue for AER and mpg. Tire companies are working overtime to develop low rolling resistance tires. Alas, hard compounds and skinny tires are part of the equation.
#173 DG:
Right!
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September 9th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Yeah, it’s not as ‘cool’ as the concept… when are they ever? If the had put out the concept and it only got 15 miles AER and 30mpg due to bad aero, then what good is it? There is an argument for a ’sexy’ niche car, like the Tesla, to help sell the power of electric to the masses… but maybe those rumored cadillac/pontiac versions will be more sporty! In the end, people say ‘well, this kills it’ … but don’t forget that Priusi (plural? hah) are selling like hotcakes… and they still edge out the production version in terms of ‘ugliness.’
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September 9th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
I’ve been following the Volt’s progress for a long time. Personally, I would never have wanted the concept car design. I thought it was too impractical as most concepts are. The production care looks fine to me. From the comments, I think many people here would be better off with Tesla.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I hope that I didn’t give anyone the impression that I’m deserting GM or the Volt. I’m not. Who knows what’s in store for Volt V1.0 and it’s consanguinity (offspring). This project has a couple of YEARS to play out (784 days?). I think (hope) that the “core group” (sans trolls) will hang in until the last dog is hung.
As always,
Be well,
Tag
LJGTVWOTR!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Now it kinda looks like a Prius. I heard the Prius will have Li Batteries on board by 2010 and the mileage will be about 100 mile on electric. If that’s true an expensive 40 mile first generation Prius Look Alike won’t make me wait til 2010.
I’m now considering an Aptera which is about 120 mile all electric commuter vehicle which should be out by end of year.
My excitement factor for an innovative product has been sadly replaced by wondering why not just get a Prius.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
#90 Aspherical said “What many people may not realize but automakers are no longer only trying to reach out to fanatical male drivers, but it seems like the newer cars are reached MORE to female drivers (mothers and working women).”
#126 DonC also made some similar comments.
After mulling it over, I agree with you all. The target demographic for the production Volt is higher-income female drivers. This group will have many individuals who like everything about this car, and they will have the resources to purchase it. This group also includes many younger woment (30s, 40s) who will be good longer term customers if GM can hold on to them.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
This car proves the E-Flex chassis is a viable solution for future electric car design. And can give us a “normal” looking car (at least relative to the other horrendous looking electrics being designed), with enough room and cargo space to live with. That is a great accomplishment and GM should be commended and proud of this car.
I don’t have a problem with that. That is GM engineering at its best. The problem is this is not a $40K car. But that is another thread.
GM is clearly out in front with the EREV. The problem is that others will be catching up in a hurry. And this car, as revolutionary as it is, will be quickly passed by. Given that the Volt will not change, GM needs to QUICKLY get out to production other cars on this chassis, a small SUV, a sportier designed “Pontiac” version, a higher end “Cadillac” version, maybe a very small 2 seater car. If GM wants to maintain their advantage, given the dullness of the Volt, they will need to offer some other options. Let the consumers decide which they prefer. DO NOT promise any specific range expectations.
Again, the Volt in this form, is a low hanging target for the next company to eclipse.
And GM will lose quickly any advantaged gained by being first.
I do not think I will be buying a Volt based on these photos. But I will be in line for the next, more exciting version. I have the time. I hope GM does.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I also agree with Tag @ 185.
I’m right there with you.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Very disappointed! Does not begin to look like the concept version!
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Production car is ok and the drive train is exciting. I was pumped by the concept car and would pay $40,000 for it but would not pay $30,000 for the production model. Would rather have a Camaro. By the way I am past 60.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Very dissappointed! Huge letdown! After seeing the sneek peeks, I was getting my hopes up. Apparently the sneek peeks were carefully selected to do just that. Now that I see it all together, what an ugly car. Not as ugly as a Prius, but ugly nonetheless. I guess I was wrong when I trusted Chevy to make the Volt a vision of a car deserving it’s $40,000 price tag…
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Lyle,
Are you going to give us a page where we can take our name OFF the waiting list? I would have spent $35K, $40K or even $45K or more on the concept car (or even something close to the concept), but this dull, boring thing that looks like 90% of the cars already on the road, no way. If this thing sells for more than $20K, the only ones you’ll see on the road will be driven by the dealers because they can’t unload them.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
#166 DonC
Statik – enough car stuff. Did you see that the Fannie Freddie conservatorship is being deemed an insurable event?
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/gse-bailout-triggers-over-1/story.aspx?guid={0BD9AF95-0034-4309-85FE-03A8B7B77B32}&dist=TNMKTW
A trillion dollars of credit swaps based on $20B in subordinated debt. Nice leverage. I wonder where all “the government always screws things up, let the market alone” guys are now? On your financial site maybe you should start taking bets on what the actual payout on the dollar will be.
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Oh I seen it, lol.
1.4 trillion outstanding credit-default swaps? It’s difficult to gauge numbers that big. How will it go down? I have no clue. Have hedge funds been selling insurance on Fannie and Freddie debt?
This isn’t exaclty like Quebecor liquidating its 2 billion, this is a monster. They had just a few different bonds, I’d figure FRE/FNM have like 5K+. I can’t imagine the technical nightmare in straightening this thing out, it’s a good thing we don’t cut down trees anymore writing these things up.
You want to take a stab at it? Hehe.
Chart of Fannie and Freddie credit swaps: (Under 40? Yawn) Market just shrugged at it.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nSTO-vZpSgc/SMXiTBkPGEI/AAAAAAAADRE/O8IbfV0UEvg/s1600-h/fannie-freddie-CDS.png
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
The concept car is a much better looking vehicle. It is very sexy. The concept car would not be practical for most families which is what most car builders go after. A two door sport vehicle will not sell to the masses (much like the corvette does). The production vehicle is a sensible solution from a business point of view. It will sit a family of 4 and drive that family wherever it needed to go. The only stumbling for GM may come from the cost. IF this is a 40K vehicle that will limit its appeal for most consumers. They will end up with a Prius or the new Honda hybrid. If they get it near 30K they will have a winner. Like it or not… the production is a sound business choice.
R/Jim
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
I’m not impressed either with the newest Cobalt from Chevy… even if it is Volt like. I hope they cancel the purchase of factory tooling as quick as possible and start over. This thing will not get the $30,000 to $40,000 they need to cover its costs. They might be able to sell this for $21,999.99 if they try hard. It is as ugly as first generation Prius.
I think if they did some consumer testing they would cancel this design, and start over. Looks like they did not ask consumers what they thought.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Have any of the negative commentators of the production Volt thought about why the Volt needs to come to market? I’m amazed at the childish, unrealistic views that have been written. I can’t believe all those negative attitudes are because of looks! It’s about transportation being a sustainable, functional necessity. If you have the means to buy a ferrari or any other “good looking” car that is a show piece, by all means buy it. When all is said and done, I really hope the Volt survives these childish attitudes.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
I agree w/ Skip @192. I would pony up $40K for the sporty concept design, but I don’t need a plain-Jane small-sedan. Would rather have a fun-to-drive and cool-to-view gas-guzzler Audi S5 with a V8 than a Prius cousin. Most of the aggressive styling is gone in the Volt. Now that GM has taken care of the family car segment, how about a plugin 2010 Chevy Camaro for those of us who can’t afford a Tesla or Fisker Karma?
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
#173 Tag
Jim I @ 164
Yeah, I definitely remember a chorus of “I don’t care if it looks like a hamburger” posts. Just not from Moi.
LOL You cna “unsubscribe from a thread by going to the home page and then to your profile (I think). I do know that there’s a way – I just don’t want to miss any of Statik’s posts (grin)
Be well,
Tag
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Thanks Tag, lol.
You can ‘unclick it’ I believe at the bottom of the thread you are subscribed to. I made the mistake of subscribing to one particularly active thread once and not checking my mail for a day or so…ouch.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
hmmm I was thinking of investing some cash into GM, I think I will go invest into Nissan and Mazda
Chevy, you have destroyed all credibility you ever had in the world of automakers with this horrendous redesign, I suggest just not ever putting this on the market, it will be a huge failure, much like you have had in the past decade, this was a chance to turn around and become profitable again.
You blew it, you blew it hard and now have to swallow
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
And now I hope the malcontents have fully vented their frustration and will leave for greener pastures (ie: we have heard it already, go find another place to complain). The rest of us will continue to discuss the E-Flex concept as it evolves.
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September 9th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Several months ago, when it was announced that only 10,000 Volts would be made and then sold in only select areas, I was really disappointed. I don’t live in any of those areas.
I am so glad now that I will miss that first set of Volts, and will have to wait for the second or third batch. Hopefully by that time, the Volt will be a hot looking car again, or other alternatives will be available.
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Actual think the production version looks more aerodynamic….and that was the point actually. Like the “rounded” look, does however look alot like the Honda/Acura. But def. the coolest “electric for the masses” as of yet. Makes the Prius look even more dull. Poor thing, new one not much better either.
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
LJGTVWOTR ?!
Let’s
Just
Get
The
Volt
Working
On
The Road !?
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
I strongly disagree with those who tell those of us to get off the site because we don’t like the production version. Many of them go on to say that they don’t care what the car looks like (and even implying that those of us who do should be ashamed) because all they care about is MPGs. If I am going to pay $40k for a car, I think I should be allowed to care about its appearance. More importantly, however, GM needs me to like the way it looks. That is how they are going to sell cars, and that is what is going to make a real difference: thousands of people wanting the car. There is no better way to do that than to make it sexy. And to all of you flamers out there, you need me to like the way the car looks, too, because if enough of us don’t, the Volt won’t make it. For the price range GM is floating, a family could buy two Prius hybrids, so GM has to come to the table with more than just MPGs. We would actually likely use even less oil if every family had two standard hybrids instead of one Volt and one average family sedan. An to those of you who would buy the Volt at any price, no matter what it looks like, you need to understand that you are in the minority. Further, your goal is, presumably, to reduce our dependence on oil, and I assure you that you can’t do that without the rest of our support, so let us have our own reasons for wanting the car. No matter our reasons, they still benefit your cause, and from that perspective, I think GM let you down more than they did those of us who actually care what the car looks like.
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
I don’t care what any of you people here say about the styling of the production Volt. I think it is excellent. As a 46 year old middle income family guy, who can never think of owning a Corvette, I think the designers have done an outstanding job of coming up with a design that appeals to me more than any other car in my possible price range. So, go GM — get on with making this car available SOON!
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
@202 Rudi, you’re close.
LJGTVWOTR = “Let’s just get the Volt’s wheels on the road”
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I’m glad to see the results of that poll. Means I’m not crazy. The production volt really is nothing special. I’m hoping something else with the e-flex drive train comes along at a similar time, weather it’s from GM or not, cause I can’t see myself driving that thing.
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
171 Tim says,
Toyota must be breathing a huge sigh of relief.
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I was thinking the very thing on the way home today.
I can picture the Chairman on Toyota wiping his forehead and saying
“Phew. Thank goodness the Volt looks like that. There will be no Prius Killer coming from General Motors. Let’s celebrate our good fortune as Prius sales will only go up, up, up”
Although not because of me. I honestly don’t like the way the Prius looks and can’t imagine me buying one.
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Well you will definitely see me converting my volt (when ever i get it maybe late 2015) to the original concept look . Now to me it looks to much like a typical Toyota Camry . the main reason i even began to red up on the volt was because of its radical design scheme and the fact that the projections of its capabilities being electric not supporting foreign oil was another plus. Despite the design changes it is still on my list i will just change the look up a bit. All in all atleast the revolutionary technology is there and that is what counts right !
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
The actual photo is a HUGE disappointment for me. I loved the concept car design. The actual production vehicle appears to be a pissy sissy watered down no-class production. I’m sure it will appeal to lots of people that like plain vanilla vehicles.
I’m rather turned off of this vehicle now. I was seriously considering it back when it had an aggressive look *AND* got decent mileage. By losing one of those things I’ll be looking elsewhere now. I’ll stick with my 24 MPG Magnum for now and measure distance in “Smiles Per Gallon” instead.
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
There are a lot of disappointed people on this site today. I feel like one of them, but I realize the production Volt is a far superior vehicle to what is on the market today. The biggest problem with the Volt is that it is not on the market today. I don’t pretend to know what demographic the Volt will sell best to (RB, to answer your question). I just know that if GM delivers on the 40 mpc and the car functions good as we all have been hoping, it will sell across all demographics. No one will be exempt from its influence, either directly or indirectly. We may not feel the full effect of the Volt until it has been out 4 or 5 years and production is beginning to match demand. By that time GM will have other E-Flex vehicles on the market that will be delivering our desire for some oil independence. Just not with the muscular looks of the Volt concept.
It is time to get over the Volt concept. It is not going to be produced, at least not by GM. If you want a muscular car, wait for the Camaro E-Flex. Maybe GM will do one of those for us.
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Lets get real. The Chevy Malibu and the Volt have a lot in common. This is clearly not the look of the cool concept car. Wake up GM. This is another pretty generic car and clearly nothing to say wow about. It may have all the inovations under the hood but the look of my grandmother’s car. At $50,000 I want a cool car and this is not!!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
I’m curious what the actual drag coefficient on this “production” version is, especially when compared to current production cars that actually look good.. Inifniti G series,etc…(or even as compared to the orginal concept). Although I’m sure drag was a real factor, my guess is that it was more about cost savings and margins, rather than range. Knowing GM, I fully expected a different look than the bait they gave us, just not a different species! Rather than drive something as ugly as this, I’ll spend the same money taking my house off the grid, and then wait for the competition to make something that I’ll actually drive.
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Anyone remember the gung ho movie? The scene when the asians are looking at the camaro model and the wheel falls off. That is what they are doing right now LAUGHING AT US! I can hear them all away in michigan!
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
#169 nasaman
A lot of people really hate the grill. And it’s not hard to change. This would seem to be a gimme.
I think we get a “no can do” on the tires. Rolling resistance is directly proportional to the radius of the tire. Bigger tires –> more rolling resistance. Would be a very big deal on range.
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
#202 Rudi:
Very good! Actually Let’s Just Get The Volt’s Wheels On the Road!
Courtesy of Mr. Tagamet. He spelled it out so many times that some wise guy (ahem, ahem) decided to make it into blog/text message slang.
LOL, LMAO, ROTFLMAO, JMHO, IMHO, da da da da da.
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September 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
I think that people put posters of aggressive muscle cars on their dorm room walls and buy cars that are more sensible. I was just in my local GM dealer and I saw a Solaris for the first time. (I didn’t even know they existed.) I thought it was pretty cool looking but I bought a new Malibu. I’m I just an incurable fuddy-duddy? Probably, but I suspect that GM knows that what people will say Wow! about and what they will buy are two different things. Remember, the AMC Pacer won numerous design awards and was the talk of the town for six months or so. No one bought them, however.
The concept is a cool looking car but has some major practical problems. I suspect that the bad aerodynamics of the concept was due to the fact the people would have to cut a hole in the roof so their head could stick out.
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
I’m a little disappointed. I was ready to buy what I saw but didn’t keep in mind that it was a concept. The actual is a little too sub compact or whatever for me. This makes me really wonder if it’s something I would drive. I hope its a lot more impressive in person.
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I hope this survey isn’t going to be used to send a message GM. I like the Corvette ZR1 more than the Volt. Big deal. I can’t get one so what does it matter.
The only question is if you like the Volt or don’t. Asking in comparison to the concept is meaningless.
Keep in mind, the Aztek was loved by the press and public and they didn’t buy a single unit. GM knows this so our opinion in the end means – squat. They know where that leads.
Let’s wait until we see the real deal before we accuse GM of being puppy killers.
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Well,
Call me old fashioned if you like but I thought the first mockup
looked as if it had been in a collision with a truck and had gone underneath the tray.
The production model, if it is that, looks like a real car.
Just my two cents worth….
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
rudi@202
That was a heck of a try!
noel’s acrymin-omious creation, and a fine one at that!
Jim I did you find the “off” button? Hmmmm, tap once if you did and twice if you didn’t….
Statik – you know I cant be letting you post uncontested! (lol)
The “bottom line”, I think should be that no one that *I* know would make a decision on buying a car until they’ve had their butt in the seat and taken it for a spin! Maybe with all this areo going on it’ll get 60 AER and jump out of the blocks like a sprinter!
Be well,
Tag
LJGTVWOTR!!
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I voted “undecided” BECAUSE:
Right now i would say “concept better”
But when i see one in black on black with chrome wheels, i’m going to say “production!!!”
Also, more flared wheel wells would make it look worlds better. PLEASE DO THIS ON GEN II.
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
The comments on the “generic appearance” of the purported production Volt remind me of complaints that the Soviet Space Shuttle “Buran” looked like the US Space Shuttle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft)
At the time, the Soviets pointed out that they both were designed using the same laws of aerodynamics, so (naturally) they would resemble each other.
It’s not surprising that the “production Volt” looks very much like other aerodynamically designed automobiles, and not like the concept car, with all of it’s aggressive styling. (Back in the 70’s & 80’s we complained about GM “bubble cars” all looking alike, but, each car did not get it’s own aerodynamic laws to follow.)
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
#204 Canuk
“As a 46 year old middle income family guy, who can never think of owning a Corvette, I think the designers have done an outstanding job of coming up with a design that appeals to me more than any other car in my possible price range.”
So far estimates have the Volt costing ~40K, 2008 Corvette can be had to $41K. So if price was the reason you could never thing of owning a Vette, well say good bye to the Volt too.
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Let’s play the “Pollyanna” glad game.
“I’m glad the Volt looks generic. It will never be stolen!”
To be frank, it’s the black side window ledge that bothers me. No car has such a design and unless it looks better in person, it could be a major turnoff.
I was shocked today to see a car in the parking lot that looks very similar to the production VOLT photos. The Hyundai Sonata. Compare the photos sometime and be ready for a surprise.
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
I strongly suspect that there will be “sport” version of the Volt. I like the basic design and will buy one in a heartbeat if the price is not too high. For me…the main selling points are great economy and reliability….if the Volt delivers on those two main points….I can live with the generic look.
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
I voted that I liked them equally. The concept looks better from the front bumper to the back of the hood. The production model looks better the rest the of the way back. I like that the wheels look the same. Visibility looks much better on the production version. Overall, I would buy it over any other hybrid based on looks alone. Actually I would NOT buy any other hybrids because of looks! Add in the fact that no other company offers a plug in model, Volt trumps them all. If there is a sport package that brought back the more aggressive front end at the cost of a couple miles AER, I’d be all for it.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
This may have already been said, but….”I prefer the look of the concept but the production produces the result we all wanted. So do you want what you asked for or do you want something that looks cooler? Note “cooler”, the production looks fine.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I don’t mean this to be critical of this website or anything. I couldn’t care less whether the photo’s are leaked or leaked on purpose. I also don’t care or know which one I prefer. Sort of an apples to oranges type of thing. Others care and have preferences I understand and expect that. I am the odd ball here. Both look fine. I just care about comparing the two about as much as I care about picking up a penny on the sidewalk. Whatever.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I agree with #44.
Bottom line: Even with the plug, the production is not worth $40,000.00
Hope: That the cityZenn will be released in the U.S.A. at $25K-$30K.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
#229 omegaman66
Happy to see Ike going farther south. Not happy for those folks now in the way obviously. Seems like the more populous areas are not going to be hit.
Also nice to see a tech buyer! Some here seem to have forgotten that this is not a standard ICE car. It’s a revolutionary EV.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Damn thing better have a sunroof.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
I just don’t want the survey to go to GM with “60% prefer the concept” and won’t buy the production Volt.
Of course we do but we can’t “buy” the concept so it’s really down to if you like the production Volt over any other production car.
I will take the Volt over the Prius and Insight any day.
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
OK, I’m not reading any negative comments about the 40 mile electric range.
I am reading lot’s of emotional comments on the exterior appearance (and interior on previous posts).
The answer lies in the fact that the technology satisfies our educated minds as to the key to get off the crack of foreign oil dependency. But the styling, both exterior and interior, is pure emotion. People want to express themselves – and for $40k they should be able to.
If GM is truly listening, they should have their design team hard at work on the next E-flex vehicle(s). And if they really want to back up the Brinks truck, then by the time the first VOLT hits the road, they should have new variants ready to launch every 6 months or so. It’s the skin that fuels the emotion.
With gasoline cars today there are endless choices. Some get 31 mpg and some get 13 mpg. All will get you to the grocery store and back – some will turn more heads on the way. Everyone doesn’t buy the same model car for mostly emotional reasons (and cost…)
It has been mentioned many times here: GM made statements early on that mandated a range of 40 miles. I would suspect that in the design studio, there is some sliding scale at which exterior styling affects the range. Lyle – here’s an idea for what a future poll might look like:
As a consumer, assuming costs are equal, how much driving range would you be willing to sacrifice to get the emotional styling you want?
- I want 45+ AER regardless of styling
- I’ll take 42 AER with more aero styling
- GM hit the target with 40 AER and the production styling
- I’d sacrifice down to 38 AER if I could get an edgier design like the concept
- I want sports car styling and will sacrifice AER to get it
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September 9th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
I have a hard time believing the photos were accidently leaked. GM is (smartly) hyping this car like celebrity Hollywood bimbo. As much as we all like to follow this web sight, most people here are car guys (and gals) who have an interest in cars that runs well beyond that of the general public.
I see the Volt mentioned more and more in mainstream press releases, in print (Wall Street Journal, Chicago Tribune, etc.), and News channels like CNN, Fox News. This is where the general public is going to learn about this car and generate interest. This is not an accident and GM should be commended for playing this to the hilt. While many folks may not be able to afford 40 large for an economy car, it will get people to look at GM’s other offerings that may be more affordable. The Cruze is a very attractive car and if you can’t afford the Volt, the Cruze is a very good second choice. I would be happy to pay $22,000 for a well equipped 40mpg car that doesn’t have a battery that may ware out after the warranty expires.
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