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	<title>Comments on: Lutz: Each Volt Factors in the Cost of a Battery Replacement</title>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/09/03/lutz-each-volt-factors-in-the-cost-of-a-battery-replacement/#comment-65411</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 03:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They better make these batteries user friendly. I am going to take mine into my house each night out of fear that someone can steal a 10,000 dollar battery. Imagine the black market value of these things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They better make these batteries user friendly. I am going to take mine into my house each night out of fear that someone can steal a 10,000 dollar battery. Imagine the black market value of these things?</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/09/03/lutz-each-volt-factors-in-the-cost-of-a-battery-replacement/#comment-64981</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well looks bad for us poor folks, I guess what am saying who killed the electric car...GM...With the high price tag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well looks bad for us poor folks, I guess what am saying who killed the electric car&#8230;GM&#8230;With the high price tag.</p>
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		<title>By: Grizzly</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/09/03/lutz-each-volt-factors-in-the-cost-of-a-battery-replacement/#comment-63922</link>
		<dc:creator>Grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spin #5

&quot;I’ll trade the warranty for $10,000. Give me a Volt for $30,000 with no warranty and I’ll take my chances.&quot;

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This has been discussed many times on this site.  Some, myself included, thought this would be an option because of a potential batt. upgrade in 5 or so years.   However, looking at this from GM&#039;s perspective there is also a legal issue in that often in many states there is an implied warranty which GM must honor regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spin #5</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ll trade the warranty for $10,000. Give me a Volt for $30,000 with no warranty and I’ll take my chances.&#8221;</p>
<p>*** *** ***</p>
<p>This has been discussed many times on this site.  Some, myself included, thought this would be an option because of a potential batt. upgrade in 5 or so years.   However, looking at this from GM&#8217;s perspective there is also a legal issue in that often in many states there is an implied warranty which GM must honor regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe OBrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe OBrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they make it too expensive, the masses will go elsewhere. By 2010 there will be other electrics available.

I hope they don&#039;t price it out of reason, but this is all just a guess as we are two years away no matter what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they make it too expensive, the masses will go elsewhere. By 2010 there will be other electrics available.</p>
<p>I hope they don&#8217;t price it out of reason, but this is all just a guess as we are two years away no matter what.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/09/03/lutz-each-volt-factors-in-the-cost-of-a-battery-replacement/#comment-63825</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, &lt;b&gt;Jim I&lt;/b&gt; (long car-replacement-cycle folks excepted), the real question may be -- is the warranty transferrable to the next owner (which might be someone on this site&#039;s waiting list, at expected new-Volt pricing)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, <b>Jim I</b> (long car-replacement-cycle folks excepted), the real question may be &#8212; is the warranty transferrable to the next owner (which might be someone on this site&#8217;s waiting list, at expected new-Volt pricing)?</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#123 Jim I:

We bought our Impala SS new in June of 1995.  It runs fine and looks good.  We have had very few problems with it.  It shows 118K miles.  Except for what has happened with the price of gas, we would probably drive it another 100K.  It is much cheaper to do the maintenance that it is to buy new cars, IMHO.

Even so, the Volt is going to have to be pretty special to lure my wife out of her beloved SS.

My 2000 S-10 has 208K miles, also with very few problems.  I will drive it until if falls apart, or until Chevy comes up with a light truck which gets better mileage.

Our 85 Suburban had 430K miles on it when we finally gave it up in 2005 for a more capable tow rig.  Granted that it had had one new engine and 3 !@#$%^ 700R transmissions before we finally gave up and put in a Turbo 400.  Even so, 430K miles?  Not bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#123 Jim I:</p>
<p>We bought our Impala SS new in June of 1995.  It runs fine and looks good.  We have had very few problems with it.  It shows 118K miles.  Except for what has happened with the price of gas, we would probably drive it another 100K.  It is much cheaper to do the maintenance that it is to buy new cars, IMHO.</p>
<p>Even so, the Volt is going to have to be pretty special to lure my wife out of her beloved SS.</p>
<p>My 2000 S-10 has 208K miles, also with very few problems.  I will drive it until if falls apart, or until Chevy comes up with a light truck which gets better mileage.</p>
<p>Our 85 Suburban had 430K miles on it when we finally gave it up in 2005 for a more capable tow rig.  Granted that it had had one new engine and 3 !@#$%^ 700R transmissions before we finally gave up and put in a Turbo 400.  Even so, 430K miles?  Not bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim I</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This warranty issue has my interest.

I hear some of you saying &quot;Replace my batteries at nine years, and I am good for another nine&quot;.  Do you people regularly really keep your cars for 18+ years?  Do you expect the Volt to be reliable and have low cost mainrenance for that long?

I can understand being concerned about a warranty for 150K miles, but I have never kept a car for more than nine years.  My average is about seven years and around 100K miles.  At that point, other parts and the body start to become maintenance issues.  Plus the interior starts to look shabby.  So that is when I start looking at the new cars in the magazines.

So how about the rest of you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This warranty issue has my interest.</p>
<p>I hear some of you saying &#8220;Replace my batteries at nine years, and I am good for another nine&#8221;.  Do you people regularly really keep your cars for 18+ years?  Do you expect the Volt to be reliable and have low cost mainrenance for that long?</p>
<p>I can understand being concerned about a warranty for 150K miles, but I have never kept a car for more than nine years.  My average is about seven years and around 100K miles.  At that point, other parts and the body start to become maintenance issues.  Plus the interior starts to look shabby.  So that is when I start looking at the new cars in the magazines.</p>
<p>So how about the rest of you?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave G regarding weight size of NiMH vs. Li-Ion.... keep in mind that the chemistry/design of the Li-Ion packs going into the Volt are only using 50% of their capacity.... and I could be very well mistaken but the Cobasys NiMH packs in the Rav4-EV (and were in the EV1 and maybe others) use a much bigger range (ie. &quot;deep cycle&quot;) of the raw capacity (90%+)....

.... bottom line is that they would probably be roughly equiv, or if anything for the same size pack the NiMH could probably give the Volt more than 40 miles/charge.

But yea, bummer GM sold the patent to Chevron (well technically Texaco 1 week before it was announced Chevron would aquire them).  

More info on the EV1/Rav4EV batteries at http://ev1.org/chevron.htm

edit: LeoK... the original EV1&#039;s used lead acid batteries, and worse, they were faulty, made by GM&#039;s Delco division. So yea, they replaced them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave G regarding weight size of NiMH vs. Li-Ion&#8230;. keep in mind that the chemistry/design of the Li-Ion packs going into the Volt are only using 50% of their capacity&#8230;. and I could be very well mistaken but the Cobasys NiMH packs in the Rav4-EV (and were in the EV1 and maybe others) use a much bigger range (ie. &#8220;deep cycle&#8221;) of the raw capacity (90%+)&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;. bottom line is that they would probably be roughly equiv, or if anything for the same size pack the NiMH could probably give the Volt more than 40 miles/charge.</p>
<p>But yea, bummer GM sold the patent to Chevron (well technically Texaco 1 week before it was announced Chevron would aquire them).  </p>
<p>More info on the EV1/Rav4EV batteries at <a href="http://ev1.org/chevron.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ev1.org/chevron.htm</a></p>
<p>edit: LeoK&#8230; the original EV1&#8217;s used lead acid batteries, and worse, they were faulty, made by GM&#8217;s Delco division. So yea, they replaced them.</p>
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		<title>By: LeoK</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeoK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting &#039;behind the curtain&#039; look at GM&#039;s math.  Didn&#039;t they end up replacing all the EV-1 battery packs at one point (maybe 3 years?) - different vehicle, different battery, but GM does have an inhouse lesson.  

I look at this as a positive sign that they are acknowledging that they must MEET and EXCEED consumer expectations on the VOLT.  GM has so much at stake on this vehicle that they will cover all contingencies in their planning.

Also, a look back at recent successful GM product launches will show that they have brought most vehicles to market at starting prices that are well below the &#039;pre-launch&#039; hype.  Look at these:

06 Hummer H3 - pre-launch est high 30&#039;s - actual launch @ $29,995
06 Cadillac CTS - pre-launch est mid 30&#039;s - actual launch @ $29,900
08 Chev Malibu - pre-launch est low 20&#039;s - actual launch @ $19,995

I have faith the VOLT will come to life at a price point that won&#039;t break the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting &#8216;behind the curtain&#8217; look at GM&#8217;s math.  Didn&#8217;t they end up replacing all the EV-1 battery packs at one point (maybe 3 years?) &#8211; different vehicle, different battery, but GM does have an inhouse lesson.  </p>
<p>I look at this as a positive sign that they are acknowledging that they must MEET and EXCEED consumer expectations on the VOLT.  GM has so much at stake on this vehicle that they will cover all contingencies in their planning.</p>
<p>Also, a look back at recent successful GM product launches will show that they have brought most vehicles to market at starting prices that are well below the &#8216;pre-launch&#8217; hype.  Look at these:</p>
<p>06 Hummer H3 &#8211; pre-launch est high 30&#8217;s &#8211; actual launch @ $29,995<br />
06 Cadillac CTS &#8211; pre-launch est mid 30&#8217;s &#8211; actual launch @ $29,900<br />
08 Chev Malibu &#8211; pre-launch est low 20&#8217;s &#8211; actual launch @ $19,995</p>
<p>I have faith the VOLT will come to life at a price point that won&#8217;t break the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m touchy.  I&#039;m sick and tired of seeing that Rav4-ev brought up here, as though it proved something (usually negative) about the Volt (even though it&#039;s an apples to oranges comparison, at best).  I never heard of that @#$% thing before I got to this site: because it was yet another one of those &quot;California only&quot; things which could only survive with heavy ideological support.

Maybe unshackling transportation from Oil is too big an expectation for just the Volt.  If it just unshackles the electric car from the State of California (and all that goes with it) by proving there&#039;s a market in the heartland, it will have opened the door:  It and the EVs to come will achieve the larger objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m touchy.  I&#8217;m sick and tired of seeing that Rav4-ev brought up here, as though it proved something (usually negative) about the Volt (even though it&#8217;s an apples to oranges comparison, at best).  I never heard of that @#$% thing before I got to this site: because it was yet another one of those &#8220;California only&#8221; things which could only survive with heavy ideological support.</p>
<p>Maybe unshackling transportation from Oil is too big an expectation for just the Volt.  If it just unshackles the electric car from the State of California (and all that goes with it) by proving there&#8217;s a market in the heartland, it will have opened the door:  It and the EVs to come will achieve the larger objective.</p>
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