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	<title>Comments on: Bob Lutz Impressed with CNBC&#8217;s &#8220;Saving General Motors&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: DaveP</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/08/10/bob-lutz-impressed-with-cnbcs-saving-general-motors/#comment-58882</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally got to watch the whole show...  Much of it did seem kind of like a fluff piece, they didn&#039;t even mention the word bankruptcy until 43 minutes into the show.  But, on the other hand, it could be that we&#039;re a little more financially concerned thanks to Statik.  The average viewer might be more concerned that the cars aren&#039;t selling as more of a problem.

It was elucidating to watch Bob Lutz show off the historic GM cars, though.  Actually, I think they were hardest on him, not from a corporate performance standpoint but for a car guy like Lutz, they made him talk about some cars GM would rather have forgotten about.  The look on his face was priceless when they asked him about what he thought of the looks of the Aztek!  Maximum Bob actually held his tongue but kind of hovered there looking like a deer in the road.  You could just imagine what he was thinking but the interviewer threw him a lifeline and said something like &quot;could you use any other word but ugly?&quot; and Bob just quietly agreed.  (I&#039;m sure he COULD have used some other words that would probably have gotten him into some trouble somewhere)

But those segments with Lutz were what I got the most information out of.  Not like tech details, but you can watch Lutz&#039;s expressions which give a good indication of his emotions.  He&#039;s either a fantastic actor or should never play poker.  I suspect the latter.  He really did light up driving the Volt mule.  Although he admitted he was pretty excited that it just worked.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally got to watch the whole show&#8230;  Much of it did seem kind of like a fluff piece, they didn&#8217;t even mention the word bankruptcy until 43 minutes into the show.  But, on the other hand, it could be that we&#8217;re a little more financially concerned thanks to Statik.  The average viewer might be more concerned that the cars aren&#8217;t selling as more of a problem.</p>
<p>It was elucidating to watch Bob Lutz show off the historic GM cars, though.  Actually, I think they were hardest on him, not from a corporate performance standpoint but for a car guy like Lutz, they made him talk about some cars GM would rather have forgotten about.  The look on his face was priceless when they asked him about what he thought of the looks of the Aztek!  Maximum Bob actually held his tongue but kind of hovered there looking like a deer in the road.  You could just imagine what he was thinking but the interviewer threw him a lifeline and said something like &#8220;could you use any other word but ugly?&#8221; and Bob just quietly agreed.  (I&#8217;m sure he COULD have used some other words that would probably have gotten him into some trouble somewhere)</p>
<p>But those segments with Lutz were what I got the most information out of.  Not like tech details, but you can watch Lutz&#8217;s expressions which give a good indication of his emotions.  He&#8217;s either a fantastic actor or should never play poker.  I suspect the latter.  He really did light up driving the Volt mule.  Although he admitted he was pretty excited that it just worked.  <img src='http://gm-volt.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mien green</title>
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		<dc:creator>mien green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#86 Tagamet:

Ya think?

Maybe there&#039;s an implied message in there somewhere.  Or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#86 Tagamet:</p>
<p>Ya think?</p>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s an implied message in there somewhere.  Or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Neutron Flux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neutron Flux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All prices are out the window! Case in point when I bought my 2003 Toyota Matrix it was under 15K now the MSR is 22K. I know there is price creep but not normally that much. When Toyota couldn&#039;t sell big SUV&#039;s anymore they cranked up the price on all their economy cars, expect everyone else to do the same. Do not expect anyone to sell an electric plug in for less than 30K with a 10 mile range by the time 2011 rolls around, 40 K for a 40 mile Volt might look about right depending on fuel costs at that point. And if Obama takes office with 7K rebate as promised (hopefully limited to vehicles made in USA with 40 mile range), 33K won&#039;t be bad. Although I don&#039;t agree with his Nuc policy he is starting to grow on me as far as energy policy. Only problem is solar is good only during day &amp; won&#039;t help charge my volt at night although wind tends to pick up at night. Nuc is available 24/7 and not subject to clouds or wind blowing. I woudl like him to be more inclusive &amp; run with everything until we end our dependanace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All prices are out the window! Case in point when I bought my 2003 Toyota Matrix it was under 15K now the MSR is 22K. I know there is price creep but not normally that much. When Toyota couldn&#8217;t sell big SUV&#8217;s anymore they cranked up the price on all their economy cars, expect everyone else to do the same. Do not expect anyone to sell an electric plug in for less than 30K with a 10 mile range by the time 2011 rolls around, 40 K for a 40 mile Volt might look about right depending on fuel costs at that point. And if Obama takes office with 7K rebate as promised (hopefully limited to vehicles made in USA with 40 mile range), 33K won&#8217;t be bad. Although I don&#8217;t agree with his Nuc policy he is starting to grow on me as far as energy policy. Only problem is solar is good only during day &amp; won&#8217;t help charge my volt at night although wind tends to pick up at night. Nuc is available 24/7 and not subject to clouds or wind blowing. I woudl like him to be more inclusive &amp; run with everything until we end our dependanace.</p>
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		<title>By: ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>45k?

I am not buying any car for 45k.

That&#039;s ayears salary for some folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>45k?</p>
<p>I am not buying any car for 45k.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s ayears salary for some folks.</p>
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		<title>By: GXT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GXT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion there is no doubt that it was more infomercial than critical examination.  

My favourite part was where they played the series of historic clips of GM execs saying things like, &quot;Yes, our cars were horrible, but these new ones are fixed and as good as anything on the road.&quot; and then Lutz says pretty much the same thing about the present.  Just think, if GM is still around a few years from now we may see the exact same sequence but with Lutz added to the &quot;historic&quot; quotes.

My second favourite part was the GM worker openly admitting that they would ship out stuff they knew was wrong.  Could there be a clearer example of the distinction between Toyota and GM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion there is no doubt that it was more infomercial than critical examination.  </p>
<p>My favourite part was where they played the series of historic clips of GM execs saying things like, &#8220;Yes, our cars were horrible, but these new ones are fixed and as good as anything on the road.&#8221; and then Lutz says pretty much the same thing about the present.  Just think, if GM is still around a few years from now we may see the exact same sequence but with Lutz added to the &#8220;historic&#8221; quotes.</p>
<p>My second favourite part was the GM worker openly admitting that they would ship out stuff they knew was wrong.  Could there be a clearer example of the distinction between Toyota and GM?</p>
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		<title>By: Tagamet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tagamet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mein green@80,
I suspect that the Grump meant #1 POST this thread.
Be well,
Tag</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mein green@80,<br />
I suspect that the Grump meant #1 POST this thread.<br />
Be well,<br />
Tag</p>
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		<title>By: Frank B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The $45k does sound high, $40K sounds better, then when the government adds in the $7k credit, now we&#039;re talking $33.  

Now if GM Really wants to sell them, work out a way that either GM gets the $7K or the customer has the ability to assign the credit to either the dealer or to GM.  That way it would actually cost $33 out the door instead of having to take it off your taxes.  Make it an instant rebate!  this isn&#039;t as far out as it may sound.  Back in the 70&#039;s when the government got behind solar, many companies leased solar water heaters to their customers because the company could get the tax credit.  the system worked very well until Regan dropped all solar credits.  Imagine where we would be if the solar industry had been going full steam ahead all these years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The $45k does sound high, $40K sounds better, then when the government adds in the $7k credit, now we&#8217;re talking $33.  </p>
<p>Now if GM Really wants to sell them, work out a way that either GM gets the $7K or the customer has the ability to assign the credit to either the dealer or to GM.  That way it would actually cost $33 out the door instead of having to take it off your taxes.  Make it an instant rebate!  this isn&#8217;t as far out as it may sound.  Back in the 70&#8217;s when the government got behind solar, many companies leased solar water heaters to their customers because the company could get the tax credit.  the system worked very well until Regan dropped all solar credits.  Imagine where we would be if the solar industry had been going full steam ahead all these years.</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Sparks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randal Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#83 Peter re zeromotorcycles.com

That is just &quot;coming soon&quot; vaporware.  Check out:
www.evtamerica.com  Z-20, R-30, Z-30
www.x-tremescooters.com  look for XM-3500Li electric scooter
www.zapworld.com/electric-vehicles/electric-scooters/zapino-electric-scooter
www.electricmotorsport.com various and custom
www.vectrix.com  the vectrix
all have bikes available now

A note on battery costs and Volt prices.  The EVTAmerica Z and R machines run on 5 U1 size sealed lead acid batteriesl.  If handled gently and properly these batteries might last for as much as 10,000 miles.  If you shop carefully, you can get them for about $100 apiece.  So $500 every 10,000 miles.  This adds up to $7,500 dollars over 150,000 miles.  This is for a two wheel scooter that weighs about 330 lbs. and no heater or A/C.  The cost per mile for electricity is .7 cents.  About 5 cents for battery replacement.  Total under 6 cents per mile.  In the same range of the gas cost for a larger scooter or smaller motorcycle.  The Volt will be 2 cents per mile for electricity and around 7-10 cents per mile for the battery.  A bit less than twice the cost for an electric scooter.  For this you get two extra wheels, a roof, a steering wheel, a spare tire, glass all around, heat, air conditioning, decent suspension, air bags, seat belts, side intrusion protection, a trunk, room for 3 other people/dogs, and bumpers.  I speak from experience.

The battery at almost any price is the cheapest part of the Volt because it is what allows you to save a much larger fortune on gas bills.  But for now you can go pure electric and petroleum free but you will have to brush up on you balance, learn what countersteering is and practice it, and deal with the weather in an up close and personal manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#83 Peter re zeromotorcycles.com</p>
<p>That is just &#8220;coming soon&#8221; vaporware.  Check out:<br />
<a href="http://www.evtamerica.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.evtamerica.com</a>  Z-20, R-30, Z-30<br />
<a href="http://www.x-tremescooters.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.x-tremescooters.com</a>  look for XM-3500Li electric scooter<br />
<a href="http://www.zapworld.com/electric-vehicles/electric-scooters/zapino-electric-scooter" rel="nofollow">http://www.zapworld.com/electric-vehicles/electric-scooters/zapino-electric-scooter</a><br />
<a href="http://www.electricmotorsport.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.electricmotorsport.com</a> various and custom<br />
<a href="http://www.vectrix.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vectrix.com</a>  the vectrix<br />
all have bikes available now</p>
<p>A note on battery costs and Volt prices.  The EVTAmerica Z and R machines run on 5 U1 size sealed lead acid batteriesl.  If handled gently and properly these batteries might last for as much as 10,000 miles.  If you shop carefully, you can get them for about $100 apiece.  So $500 every 10,000 miles.  This adds up to $7,500 dollars over 150,000 miles.  This is for a two wheel scooter that weighs about 330 lbs. and no heater or A/C.  The cost per mile for electricity is .7 cents.  About 5 cents for battery replacement.  Total under 6 cents per mile.  In the same range of the gas cost for a larger scooter or smaller motorcycle.  The Volt will be 2 cents per mile for electricity and around 7-10 cents per mile for the battery.  A bit less than twice the cost for an electric scooter.  For this you get two extra wheels, a roof, a steering wheel, a spare tire, glass all around, heat, air conditioning, decent suspension, air bags, seat belts, side intrusion protection, a trunk, room for 3 other people/dogs, and bumpers.  I speak from experience.</p>
<p>The battery at almost any price is the cheapest part of the Volt because it is what allows you to save a much larger fortune on gas bills.  But for now you can go pure electric and petroleum free but you will have to brush up on you balance, learn what countersteering is and practice it, and deal with the weather in an up close and personal manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If $45k is too rich for your blood and you don&#039;t want to wait for 2 years, how about trading 4 wheels for 2?

http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If $45k is too rich for your blood and you don&#8217;t want to wait for 2 years, how about trading 4 wheels for 2?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Go GM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Go GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up date my earlier post that production should be 50000/month. Flood the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up date my earlier post that production should be 50000/month. Flood the market.</p>
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