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	<title>Comments on: Lutz: 1 Million Worldwide E-Flex Production by 2020 and is GM Planning to Bring Battery Production in House?</title>
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		<title>By: GM Volt Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>GM Volt Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>177.  Noah Nehm

Check this out ... a lithium ion capacitor.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/07/jm-energy-intro.html#more

http://bioage.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/28/lic1.gif

I have no doubt that since there are hundreds if not thousands of scientists working on cutting edge batteries and other storage devices, we are GOING to have better electric cars and ER-EVs on the way in the next 5-10 years.  It&#039;s just a matter of time.  It may even be sooner than we think if this EEStor ultracapacitor technology is &quot;for real&quot;.  I think the scientists ought to COMBINE different electricity storage technologies so that they get the qualities they want out of the battery pack as a whole.  Things like 300+ miles of range and 10 minute recharging times.  

However, you have to take into consideration several factors when it comes to using energy storage devices for automobiles .... Power, Energy, Safety, Life, and Cost.  

http://www.greencarcongress.com/images/2008/05/18/ucditsphev_2.png

Cost in particular can be a big hurdle to get over.  Whoever can come up with the best battery PACK (with an optimal combination of technologies) will be the next gazillionaire.  If you are a battery scientist in the lab today, you could become the next Bill Gates if you can bring to the world a CLEARLY better solution for battery packs in automobiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>177.  Noah Nehm</p>
<p>Check this out &#8230; a lithium ion capacitor.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/07/jm-energy-intro.html#more" rel="nofollow">http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/07/jm-energy-intro.html#more</a></p>
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<p>I have no doubt that since there are hundreds if not thousands of scientists working on cutting edge batteries and other storage devices, we are GOING to have better electric cars and ER-EVs on the way in the next 5-10 years.  It&#8217;s just a matter of time.  It may even be sooner than we think if this EEStor ultracapacitor technology is &#8220;for real&#8221;.  I think the scientists ought to COMBINE different electricity storage technologies so that they get the qualities they want out of the battery pack as a whole.  Things like 300+ miles of range and 10 minute recharging times.  </p>
<p>However, you have to take into consideration several factors when it comes to using energy storage devices for automobiles &#8230;. Power, Energy, Safety, Life, and Cost.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.greencarcongress.com/images/2008/05/18/ucditsphev_2.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.greencarcongress.com/images/2008/05/18/ucditsphev_2.png</a></p>
<p>Cost in particular can be a big hurdle to get over.  Whoever can come up with the best battery PACK (with an optimal combination of technologies) will be the next gazillionaire.  If you are a battery scientist in the lab today, you could become the next Bill Gates if you can bring to the world a CLEARLY better solution for battery packs in automobiles.</p>
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		<title>By: Tagamet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tagamet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noah@177

Thanks for the tech link. For everyone interested in tech in many areas, this is a great free newsletter (Mon - Fri). I&#039;ve read it for over a year.

Be well,
Tag</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noah@177</p>
<p>Thanks for the tech link. For everyone interested in tech in many areas, this is a great free newsletter (Mon &#8211; Fri). I&#8217;ve read it for over a year.</p>
<p>Be well,<br />
Tag</p>
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		<title>By: Noah Nehm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah Nehm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bit OT, but there is an interesting article in Technology Review that outlines a promising new low cost manufacturing technique for Lithium-Ion Batteries:

http://www.technologyreview.com/Nanotech/21141/?a=f

It&#039;s amazing how much progress is being made in battery technology these days....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bit OT, but there is an interesting article in Technology Review that outlines a promising new low cost manufacturing technique for Lithium-Ion Batteries:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/Nanotech/21141/?a=f" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/Nanotech/21141/?a=f</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how much progress is being made in battery technology these days&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: voltfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>voltfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Bringing battery technology in-house” ... could GM be the &quot;mystery buyer&quot; for Cobasys??? http://www.cobasys.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Bringing battery technology in-house” &#8230; could GM be the &#8220;mystery buyer&#8221; for Cobasys??? <a href="http://www.cobasys.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cobasys.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#167 N Riley:

Truth to tell, I once said here that I would pay the full price up front right now.  Somehow I just didn&#039;t feel comfortable putting that on the waiting list.  Plus, the price has reportedly escalated so much since then that it&#039;s a bit scary.  Still if they would commit to a price that made any kind of sense, I would figure out a way to do it. 

#174 Darius:

Thanks for the link.  So much the better, if true.

I would actually seriously consider an EV the size of the Trax or the Groove, if it was freeway legal and had enough range to credibly get me back and forth to work.  I would work around it somehow for my daytime work travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#167 N Riley:</p>
<p>Truth to tell, I once said here that I would pay the full price up front right now.  Somehow I just didn&#8217;t feel comfortable putting that on the waiting list.  Plus, the price has reportedly escalated so much since then that it&#8217;s a bit scary.  Still if they would commit to a price that made any kind of sense, I would figure out a way to do it. </p>
<p>#174 Darius:</p>
<p>Thanks for the link.  So much the better, if true.</p>
<p>I would actually seriously consider an EV the size of the Trax or the Groove, if it was freeway legal and had enough range to credibly get me back and forth to work.  I would work around it somehow for my daytime work travel.</p>
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		<title>By: Darius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.polyplus.com/index.htm

Is this the end of Volt and Plug-In hybrid story and restart EV?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.polyplus.com/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.polyplus.com/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Is this the end of Volt and Plug-In hybrid story and restart EV?</p>
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		<title>By: Tagamet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tagamet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statik,
Whew, you had me worried. I kinda picture us as two moons circling the same planet on exactly opposite sides - We both effect the planet, but can&#039;t see each other. Then again if we both all of a sudden came to the same side, the tides on the planet would swing to one side and everyone on the planet would fsll off (because the planet wqould turn on it&#039;s side - remember I&#039;m not bound by.
ON to the next thread!

Thomb,
 Thanks for the kind words. The wife and I dated all the way from 8th grade (same HS and College) and STILL got hitched. We&#039;re best friends, the house just got REALLY small about 5 months ago)(g).
Be well my friend&lt;b&gt;s&lt;/b&gt;,
Tag</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statik,<br />
Whew, you had me worried. I kinda picture us as two moons circling the same planet on exactly opposite sides &#8211; We both effect the planet, but can&#8217;t see each other. Then again if we both all of a sudden came to the same side, the tides on the planet would swing to one side and everyone on the planet would fsll off (because the planet wqould turn on it&#8217;s side &#8211; remember I&#8217;m not bound by.<br />
ON to the next thread!</p>
<p>Thomb,<br />
 Thanks for the kind words. The wife and I dated all the way from 8th grade (same HS and College) and STILL got hitched. We&#8217;re best friends, the house just got REALLY small about 5 months ago)(g).<br />
Be well my friend<b>s</b>,<br />
Tag</p>
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		<title>By: ThombDbhomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThombDbhomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#166 Tagamet 
Times are tough for many. I&#039;m sure things will rebound for your daughter and son-in-law. One day, we&#039;ll all be back to our regular driving habits. 

Kiss your wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#166 Tagamet<br />
Times are tough for many. I&#8217;m sure things will rebound for your daughter and son-in-law. One day, we&#8217;ll all be back to our regular driving habits. </p>
<p>Kiss your wife.</p>
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		<title>By: Statik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Statik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#163 Tag

No, no...my skin is still thick.  The site would implode if we were not at the opposite ends of the spectrum on all these threads.  I guess my post sounded like I was perturbed...was not intended as such, I just couldn&#039;t put the context together.

Onto the next thread my friend.  

Side Note:
I mentioned it there too, but GMAC sent out faxes halting all leases today in Canada...US should get similar news tomorrow.  Talk about another death blow/body shot to the SUV/truck sales...and all high priced vehicles to some extent.  I&#039;d wage it lowers their total sales outlook by 10-15%...nothing GM can do about it either.  They sold 51% of GMAC to Cerberus, so they aren&#039;t in control of their own financing wing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#163 Tag</p>
<p>No, no&#8230;my skin is still thick.  The site would implode if we were not at the opposite ends of the spectrum on all these threads.  I guess my post sounded like I was perturbed&#8230;was not intended as such, I just couldn&#8217;t put the context together.</p>
<p>Onto the next thread my friend.  </p>
<p>Side Note:<br />
I mentioned it there too, but GMAC sent out faxes halting all leases today in Canada&#8230;US should get similar news tomorrow.  Talk about another death blow/body shot to the SUV/truck sales&#8230;and all high priced vehicles to some extent.  I&#8217;d wage it lowers their total sales outlook by 10-15%&#8230;nothing GM can do about it either.  They sold 51% of GMAC to Cerberus, so they aren&#8217;t in control of their own financing wing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tagamet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tagamet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N Riley 
#145 Noel Park

Don’t put any punctuation in the money figures (ie; 10000 instead of $10,000). Mine was rejected the first time because I used decimal places with trailing zeros (10,000.00). 
I assume that was the cause. It does give an error message at top of form for any errors found.

Kinda like &quot;Pay it forward&quot;.
Neat.
Be well,
Tag</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N Riley<br />
#145 Noel Park</p>
<p>Don’t put any punctuation in the money figures (ie; 10000 instead of $10,000). Mine was rejected the first time because I used decimal places with trailing zeros (10,000.00).<br />
I assume that was the cause. It does give an error message at top of form for any errors found.</p>
<p>Kinda like &#8220;Pay it forward&#8221;.<br />
Neat.<br />
Be well,<br />
Tag</p>
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