Comments on: GM Explains Why the 1.4 L ICE Range Extender was Chosen For the Volt http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:07:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Richjc http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-61844 Richjc Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:15:56 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-61844 Interesting changes since inception, although as usual with GM it is usually due to cost/profit margin. First it was a small car on a colbalt frame at about 20k+, now it is an "almost" mid-size at 30-40k, and the changes look again more about profit than excellence. Raised as a gm man from a kid, I purchased american until age 45, bought a high milage used japanese car that has been more dependable mileage wise than any gm i have ever owned since new. I am dubious that the quality will compare with the japanese cars. Since now gm will have to win me back, I am still optimistic that gm can pull this off without the "bean counters" overruling the engineers on quality. This is a sorry comment to make by me, and I still have an unused six hundred dollar credit on my gm card. Interesting changes since inception, although as usual with GM it is usually due to cost/profit margin. First it was a small car on a colbalt frame at about 20k+, now it is an “almost” mid-size at 30-40k, and the changes look again more about profit than excellence. Raised as a gm man from a kid, I purchased american until age 45, bought a high milage used japanese car that has been more dependable mileage wise than any gm i have ever owned since new. I am dubious that the quality will compare with the japanese cars. Since now gm will have to win me back, I am still optimistic that gm can pull this off without the “bean counters” overruling the engineers on quality. This is a sorry comment to make by me, and I still have an unused six hundred dollar credit on my gm card.

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]]> By: r4and0mn4me http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-57512 r4and0mn4me Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:41:49 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-57512 GPS nav input and user changeable charge options would be nice, but would GM really let you mod your own cars software? GPS nav input and user changeable charge options would be nice, but would GM really let you mod your own cars software?

]]> By: berkpaul@yahoo.com http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-57500 berkpaul@yahoo.com Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:00:59 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-57500 Running the 1.4L NA Ecotec in the Atkinson cycle really sounds like the way to go here (and apparently even the Chevy 2-mode hybrids do this?) But does this require major retooling of this engine, or is it more 'drop-in' with just some resized cam-shafts and valves? As this 1.4L engine sounds like it's going into volume manufacturing (Chevy Cruze, among others), any major retooling might be challenged with all the cost controls GM is understandably imposing. As a side topic, I think one thing GM has mentioned before is considering working the software side to enable in smart load balancing and charge cycle optimization. The ideal set up would feed GPS Nav input back to the drivetrain controls, and over charge the battery above the 30-35% level as long as the battery would drain back to ~30-35% at the destination. I think this would alleviate some of #DA's cycle optimization concerns. As simpler option (consistent w/ using this car mainly for daily commutes) would at least allow the drivers to input their daily commute distance so that if it exceeds 40mi, this same optimzation could be made for the inputted distance. Non-daily commutes that didn't fit this distance would get sub-optimal charge cycles, but I think something simple like that would be a really beneficial option for 80% of drivers. Running the 1.4L NA Ecotec in the Atkinson cycle really sounds like the way to go here (and apparently even the Chevy 2-mode hybrids do this?) But does this require major retooling of this engine, or is it more ‘drop-in’ with just some resized cam-shafts and valves? As this 1.4L engine sounds like it’s going into volume manufacturing (Chevy Cruze, among others), any major retooling might be challenged with all the cost controls GM is understandably imposing.

As a side topic, I think one thing GM has mentioned before is considering working the software side to enable in smart load balancing and charge cycle optimization. The ideal set up would feed GPS Nav input back to the drivetrain controls, and over charge the battery above the 30-35% level as long as the battery would drain back to ~30-35% at the destination. I think this would alleviate some of #DA’s cycle optimization concerns. As simpler option (consistent w/ using this car mainly for daily commutes) would at least allow the drivers to input their daily commute distance so that if it exceeds 40mi, this same optimzation could be made for the inputted distance. Non-daily commutes that didn’t fit this distance would get sub-optimal charge cycles, but I think something simple like that would be a really beneficial option for 80% of drivers.

]]> By: CM http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56509 CM Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:56:12 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56509 Brandon: It does no good to promote EEStor to GM for several reasons. First, ZENN has an exclusive deal with EEStor and has invested money in it, so EEStor couldn't sell to GM even if they had something to sell. That brings up the 2nd thing, the EEStor "product" isn't ready for production, in fact they haven't even shown any functional prototypes and are at least 2 years behind schedule, which means ZENN isn't going to make that 2009 production date either. There is reason to believe that EEStor badly miscalculated, and won't ever be able to achieve the performance they had originally hyped. Even if you think EEStor might eventually solve all of their problems and start production, it does no good now. GM can only work with what is available now, exotic unobtanium super-ultra-hypercapacitors are of no use if they don't exist and can't be tested. Nor would it be good for GM to put the Volt project on hold until EEStor gets their act together, as that might take years, decades, centuries, forever... Brandon: It does no good to promote EEStor to GM for several reasons. First, ZENN has an exclusive deal with EEStor and has invested money in it, so EEStor couldn’t sell to GM even if they had something to sell. That brings up the 2nd thing, the EEStor “product” isn’t ready for production, in fact they haven’t even shown any functional prototypes and are at least 2 years behind schedule, which means ZENN isn’t going to make that 2009 production date either. There is reason to believe that EEStor badly miscalculated, and won’t ever be able to achieve the performance they had originally hyped.

Even if you think EEStor might eventually solve all of their problems and start production, it does no good now. GM can only work with what is available now, exotic unobtanium super-ultra-hypercapacitors are of no use if they don’t exist and can’t be tested. Nor would it be good for GM to put the Volt project on hold until EEStor gets their act together, as that might take years, decades, centuries, forever…

]]> By: r4nd0mn4me http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56508 r4nd0mn4me Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:25:46 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56508 Re: 288 stas peterson You sir are an idiot. Please do at least one web search before posting such uninformed dribble. http://media.cleantech.com/2187/toshiba-to-release-fast-charging-battery http://www.azonano.com/News.asp?NewsID=2937 Search time. 1.5min Thank you. Re: 288 stas peterson

You sir are an idiot.
Please do at least one web search before posting such uninformed dribble.

http://media.cleantech.com/2187/toshiba-to-release-fast-charging-battery

http://www.azonano.com/News.asp?NewsID=2937

Search time. 1.5min

Thank you.

]]> By: stas peterson http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56503 stas peterson Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:27:38 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56503 #239 Who will build 200 vehicles first? Tesla or Volt. Since "mass production" of the Tesla started in 2006 and its mid 2008 and mass production has produced six(?) cars, I'd bet on Volts and GM in late 2010. Tesla doesn't build cars; it builds Press Releases. #239

Who will build 200 vehicles first? Tesla or Volt. Since “mass production” of the Tesla started in 2006 and its mid 2008 and mass production has produced six(?) cars, I’d bet on Volts and GM in late 2010.

Tesla doesn’t build cars; it builds Press Releases.

]]> By: stas peterson http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56501 stas peterson Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:05:43 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56501 Pure BEVs are still a dream and a LONG ways away. Elsewhere there was little back of the envelope engineering consideration of what a "fast charge" for a BEV actually meant. A fast charge will always take considerable time. Even if you hook up to a "fast charger" and your battery wouldn't just explode when you started pumping int the Amperes. Something "reasonable" like 200 Amperes at 600 volts or so. First you take an electric copper cable as big in diameter as a fireman's hose and drag it over with a small crane or towmotor, "plug" it in and then you better get 20 or 30 feet away as induced electricity should be able to light a flourescent bulb disconnected from anything and held in your hand, if you are any closer. An hour later, or so you have your "fast charge". Not bloody practical. Pure BEVs are still a dream and a LONG ways away. Elsewhere there was little back of the envelope engineering consideration of what a “fast charge” for a BEV actually meant.

A fast charge will always take considerable time. Even if you hook up to a “fast charger” and your battery wouldn’t just explode when you started pumping int the Amperes. Something “reasonable” like 200 Amperes at 600 volts or so.

First you take an electric copper cable as big in diameter as a fireman’s hose and drag it over with a small crane or towmotor, “plug” it in and then you better get 20 or 30 feet away as induced electricity should be able to light a flourescent bulb disconnected from anything and held in your hand, if you are any closer.

An hour later, or so you have your “fast charge”.

Not bloody practical.

]]> By: regenerative http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56473 regenerative Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:43:52 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56473 By the way, for small pure electric cars, you could probably carry in the trunk of the car a portable 10KW generator and use it in the same fashion. By the way, for small pure electric cars, you could probably carry in the trunk of the car a portable 10KW generator and use it in the same fashion.

]]> By: regenerative http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56471 regenerative Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:27:25 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/26/gm-explains-why-the-14-l-ice-range-extender-was-chosen-for-the-volt/#comment-56471 I think the way this car works is as following: The first 40 miles the engine/generator is turned off. After that the engine/generator turns on to charge the battery and to also provide the steady state power demand, the engine/generator runs at steady speed 1800 RPM but will work harder to produce higher KW on demand just like any home generator. For peak KW demands the system will always use the battery for that. I think the way this car works is as following:
The first 40 miles the engine/generator is turned off.
After that the engine/generator turns on to charge the battery and to also provide the steady state power demand, the engine/generator runs at steady speed 1800 RPM but will work harder to produce higher KW on demand just like any home generator. For peak KW demands the system will always use the battery for that.

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