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	<title>Comments on: Breaking: Production Chevy Volt to be Revealed in September!</title>
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		<title>By: DaveP</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/07/07/breaking-production-chevy-volt-to-be-revealed-in-september/#comment-69037</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#106 Dave G:
Yes, of course.  I was thinking of antifreeze type liquid.  I have no idea why I wrote water.  Carelessness on my part, I was thinking more about the temperatures.

#135 Jackson:
I&#039;m certainly not trying to pooh-pooh accelerated testing.  I&#039;m just trying to point out that the results of the accelerated tests can&#039;t be directly converted into real-world numbers.  There&#039;s some missing &quot;factor&quot; that lets you interpolate between real world tests and accelerated tests.  That missing information is the rate at which the extra &quot;stress&quot; causes the battery to degrade.

Since we have none of that information, the accelerated test data has little to no meaning (to us) outside of the &quot;normal&quot; ranges.

To exaggerate to make the point, it&#039;s like saying it fails after 1 cycle at 150C.  There is no way to interpolate that to what it does at 25C without a lot of additional information.
That information is missing, here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#106 Dave G:<br />
Yes, of course.  I was thinking of antifreeze type liquid.  I have no idea why I wrote water.  Carelessness on my part, I was thinking more about the temperatures.</p>
<p>#135 Jackson:<br />
I&#8217;m certainly not trying to pooh-pooh accelerated testing.  I&#8217;m just trying to point out that the results of the accelerated tests can&#8217;t be directly converted into real-world numbers.  There&#8217;s some missing &#8220;factor&#8221; that lets you interpolate between real world tests and accelerated tests.  That missing information is the rate at which the extra &#8220;stress&#8221; causes the battery to degrade.</p>
<p>Since we have none of that information, the accelerated test data has little to no meaning (to us) outside of the &#8220;normal&#8221; ranges.</p>
<p>To exaggerate to make the point, it&#8217;s like saying it fails after 1 cycle at 150C.  There is no way to interpolate that to what it does at 25C without a lot of additional information.<br />
That information is missing, here.</p>
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		<title>By: jon shmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon shmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have pictures of the volt i think</description>
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		<title>By: Grizzly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeff # 177

&quot;Are the engines that different or are computers making the difference.&quot;

*** *** ***

Jeff,

Any engine that can run both ethanol (E85) and gasoline is a compromise, usually in favor of gasoline.  This is because if the engine were designed primarily for E85 it would have higher compression and more power, but would pre-detonate when using gasoline and the PCM or computer would have to retard the timing to the point where efficiency is lost.

I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve yet seen the best of flex fuel engines, and I believe that further development could yield much better mileage with E85 w/o compromising gasoline performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeff # 177</p>
<p>&#8220;Are the engines that different or are computers making the difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>*** *** ***</p>
<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Any engine that can run both ethanol (E85) and gasoline is a compromise, usually in favor of gasoline.  This is because if the engine were designed primarily for E85 it would have higher compression and more power, but would pre-detonate when using gasoline and the PCM or computer would have to retard the timing to the point where efficiency is lost.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve yet seen the best of flex fuel engines, and I believe that further development could yield much better mileage with E85 w/o compromising gasoline performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheese Ball Expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheese Ball Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Electric car at $30K gets a passing grade, at $25K sells very well, below $25K will have waiting lists for 3 years.  Will GM have to develop a long-term market strategy involving the costs and recycling of batteries to achieve these prices?  Most likely, I would conjecture.

Does GM want to be the cornerstone for the next 100 years?  Most likely, I would further conjecture.

Can they do it?  We will have to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electric car at $30K gets a passing grade, at $25K sells very well, below $25K will have waiting lists for 3 years.  Will GM have to develop a long-term market strategy involving the costs and recycling of batteries to achieve these prices?  Most likely, I would conjecture.</p>
<p>Does GM want to be the cornerstone for the next 100 years?  Most likely, I would further conjecture.</p>
<p>Can they do it?  We will have to see.</p>
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		<title>By: G Peacock</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Peacock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM will forever hold the title of the first production plug-in hybrid. Let&#039;s let Toyota be chasing GM to catch up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM will forever hold the title of the first production plug-in hybrid. Let&#8217;s let Toyota be chasing GM to catch up.</p>
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