Comments on: McCain Praises Development of the Chevy Volt http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:55:54 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: David http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/#comment-53653 David Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:49:43 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1134#comment-53653 Why has this positive development, i.e. a presidential candidate saying that EV's would be good for this country, become a political debate??? Last time I checked there weren't separate prices at the pump for Republicans and Democrats and Independents? I don't think anyone on this list is happy with hundreds of billions of dollars going to countries who hate us and kill Americans! Clearly, both political parties have failed us with respect to Energy Independence, and we are now seeing the result of that. Four-twenty at the pump is just the tip of the iceberg; food prices have skyrocketed, as has everything else. If Dems want to blame Republicans, go ahead. If Reps want to blame Democrats, go ahead. In the end, it will not solve a single problem, except piss each other off and get nothing done (see your current Congress). Our problem is an American problem caused by Democratic and Republican administrations that did little if anything to prevent our current crisis. Congressmen, I recently heard, pay 60 cents a gallon for gas; so they are not effected the way we are, particularly when many of them are wealthy and have, in the past, voted pay raises for themselves while in session. No one on this list has the power and privilege. So, please relax. Let's just be happy that for the first time, leaders from both parties are at least acknowledging the problem. David Why has this positive development, i.e. a presidential candidate saying that EV’s would be good for this country, become a political debate???

Last time I checked there weren’t separate prices at the pump for Republicans and Democrats and Independents? I don’t think anyone on this list is happy with hundreds of billions of dollars going to countries who hate us and kill Americans!

Clearly, both political parties have failed us with respect to Energy Independence, and we are now seeing the result of that. Four-twenty at the pump is just the tip of the iceberg; food prices have skyrocketed, as has everything else.

If Dems want to blame Republicans, go ahead. If Reps want to blame Democrats, go ahead. In the end, it will not solve a single problem, except piss each other off and get nothing done (see your current Congress).

Our problem is an American problem caused by Democratic and Republican administrations that did little if anything to prevent our current crisis. Congressmen, I recently heard, pay 60 cents a gallon for gas; so they are not effected the way we are, particularly when many of them are wealthy and have, in the past, voted pay raises for themselves while in session. No one on this list has the power and privilege.

So, please relax. Let’s just be happy that for the first time, leaders from both parties are at least acknowledging the problem.

David

]]> By: Jason C http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/#comment-49308 Jason C Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:52:02 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1134#comment-49308 #84 - #91 omegaman66 1. "[Mr. Ayers] and Mr. Obama served together on the nine-member board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago nonprofit, for three years beginning in 1999, and they have also appeared jointly on two academic panels, one in 1997 and another in 2001. Mr. Ayers, who was never convicted in the Weather Underground bombings, is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago" Here is a quote from Sen Obama, regarding this issue: "This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George. The fact is, is that I'm also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who during his campaign once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions." 2. You already have stated in 91 that you were wrong about this...thats cool. My point was why bring it up at all? 3. It costs oil companies less than $10 per barrel to extract and ship a barrel of oil. The “finding” costs to explore and develop an oil field range from $5 per barrel in the Middle East to $67 per barrel off of the U.S. coast. These are production costs. So when the market price jumps due to speculators, political unrest, supply disruption, or other similar events, it is a windfall for the oil company. Yes...Oil companies have it rough. They also have massive tax loopholes. They may SAY that a tax like this will raise prices, but it is just a reason to keep the extra money they are making. 4. Answered above 5. "Not so fast, says Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy at the University of Miami. First, China doesn't hold any offshore oil concessions in Cuba. And though the island nation has partnered with a number of nations proficient in deep water drilling, there's not been any action since June 2004 because the deep water drilling equipment is needed elsewhere, Pinon says. And some of the companies have expressed reservations about how to turn the potential crude into product: Cuba doesn't have the refinery capacity and the Cuban embargo prohibits it from coming to the U.S." What we need to focus on is doing more with what we have and expanding where we get our energy from (wind, solar, tidal, etc on a house to house basis). I think that the Volt will be very helpful in this regard but it is just the first move. As I said, 5 - 10 years before you see a drop of oil and then you have all the problems attached to oil (environmental spills, air pollution, staying hooked on oil). It only takes two years to make a solar plant. 6. You agreed that gun control should be in moderation. Guns in the hands of law abiding sportsman and hunters = good. Guns in the hands of criminals=bad. Now, how we make that happen is the rub. 7. You agreed with me on this one 8. You didn't try to rebut this one 9. You didn't try to rebut this one 10. This country is made of immigrants and I agree that we need to have a sound and controlled border. If you went to the web site I listed you would have seen that Sen. Obama has a multi pronged plan to address this (I have it here in bullet form but you can see the whole plan at http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/): • Create Secure Borders • Improve Our Immigration System • Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally • Bring People Out of the Shadows • Work with Mexico Personally, I think that the two most important are working with Mexico and removing incentives to enter illegally. You still have to deal with all the immigrants who are here. You talk of secure borders in the physical sense, I am talking about a mental barrier in addition. Working with Mexico means helping them make life better in Mexico and reducing the incentive for them to make a dangerous journey across the border where they could die trying. (i.e. jobs, quality of life, etc.). #84 – #91 omegaman66
1. “[Mr. Ayers] and Mr. Obama served together on the nine-member board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago nonprofit, for three years beginning in 1999, and they have also appeared jointly on two academic panels, one in 1997 and another in 2001. Mr. Ayers, who was never convicted in the Weather Underground bombings, is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago”

Here is a quote from Sen Obama, regarding this issue:
“This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.
The fact is, is that I’m also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who during his campaign once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions.”

2. You already have stated in 91 that you were wrong about this…thats cool. My point was why bring it up at all?
3. It costs oil companies less than $10 per barrel to extract and ship a barrel of oil. The “finding” costs to explore and develop an oil field range from $5 per barrel in the Middle East to $67 per barrel off of the U.S. coast. These are production costs. So when the market price jumps due to speculators, political unrest, supply disruption, or other similar events, it is a windfall for the oil company. Yes…Oil companies have it rough. They also have massive tax loopholes. They may SAY that a tax like this will raise prices, but it is just a reason to keep the extra money they are making.
4. Answered above
5. “Not so fast, says Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy at the University of Miami. First, China doesn’t hold any offshore oil concessions in Cuba. And though the island nation has partnered with a number of nations proficient in deep water drilling, there’s not been any action since June 2004 because the deep water drilling equipment is needed elsewhere, Pinon says. And some of the companies have expressed reservations about how to turn the potential crude into product: Cuba doesn’t have the refinery capacity and the Cuban embargo prohibits it from coming to the U.S.”

What we need to focus on is doing more with what we have and expanding where we get our energy from (wind, solar, tidal, etc on a house to house basis). I think that the Volt will be very helpful in this regard but it is just the first move. As I said, 5 – 10 years before you see a drop of oil and then you have all the problems attached to oil (environmental spills, air pollution, staying hooked on oil). It only takes two years to make a solar plant.

6. You agreed that gun control should be in moderation. Guns in the hands of law abiding sportsman and hunters = good. Guns in the hands of criminals=bad. Now, how we make that happen is the rub.
7. You agreed with me on this one
8. You didn’t try to rebut this one
9. You didn’t try to rebut this one
10. This country is made of immigrants and I agree that we need to have a sound and controlled border. If you went to the web site I listed you would have seen that Sen. Obama has a multi pronged plan to address this (I have it here in bullet form but you can see the whole plan at http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/):

• Create Secure Borders
• Improve Our Immigration System
• Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally
• Bring People Out of the Shadows
• Work with Mexico

Personally, I think that the two most important are working with Mexico and removing incentives to enter illegally. You still have to deal with all the immigrants who are here. You talk of secure borders in the physical sense, I am talking about a mental barrier in addition. Working with Mexico means helping them make life better in Mexico and reducing the incentive for them to make a dangerous journey across the border where they could die trying. (i.e. jobs, quality of life, etc.).

]]> By: omegaman66 http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/#comment-49306 omegaman66 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:40:24 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1134#comment-49306 I posted this as part of my first post. Obama voting record is clear on the second amendment. I will just post an portion of the original post without the supporting links for each one. This is all voting record stuff so no conjecture here. Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry. Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2 Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3 Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2 Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago , Washington , D.C., and other cities.4 Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5 Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6 Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case. Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7 Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8 Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9 Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10 Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11 Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12 Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13 Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2 Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14 Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9 Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9 Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9 Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21. 9 The number after each point goes to the numbered link which I have omitted this time to hopefully prevent a long moderation wait. I posted this as part of my first post. Obama voting record is clear on the second amendment.

I will just post an portion of the original post without the supporting links for each one. This is all voting record stuff so no conjecture here.

Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.

Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2

Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago , Washington , D.C., and other cities.4

Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9

Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21. 9

The number after each point goes to the numbered link which I have omitted this time to hopefully prevent a long moderation wait.

]]> By: omegaman66 http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/#comment-49272 omegaman66 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:49:14 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1134#comment-49272 I admit I was wrong on one of the points. Obama was not raised muslim after he was two years old. I had thought it was older than two. I admit I was wrong on one of the points. Obama was not raised muslim after he was two years old. I had thought it was older than two.

]]> By: omegaman66 http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/#comment-49270 omegaman66 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:38:53 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1134#comment-49270 my first post on gun control issue was the longest. It must be in moderation. my first post on gun control issue was the longest. It must be in moderation.

]]> By: omegaman66 http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/#comment-49269 omegaman66 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:36:55 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1134#comment-49269 "Dude, I can do this all day, keep that half truth stuff coming! While your at it, question my patriotism…I dare you…I double dog dare you." I am not questioning your patriotism. Never did. You may be able to do this all day long. I quit. Just do a google search on any of the subjects/points I didn't get too and read to your hearts content. Decide for you self. “Dude, I can do this all day, keep that half truth stuff coming! While your at it, question my patriotism…I dare you…I double dog dare you.”

I am not questioning your patriotism. Never did. You may be able to do this all day long. I quit. Just do a google search on any of the subjects/points I didn’t get too and read to your hearts content. Decide for you self.

]]> By: omegaman66 http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/#comment-49268 omegaman66 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:27:38 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1134#comment-49268 #10 on securing the boarder. In your own rebuttal you wrote: "the nation’s estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants would be able to apply for citizenship after six more years of residency if they hold stable jobs, pay back taxes and fines, maintain clean criminal records, and learn English.” Ummm.... and just what do you think would happen on our borders if you promising a route to citizenship for illegal aliens without secure borders? And why should an illegal alien have more rights than a Mexican or any other Nationality for that matter that is trying unsuccessfully to enter this country legally? #10 on securing the boarder.

In your own rebuttal you wrote: “the nation’s estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants would be able to apply for citizenship after six more years of residency if they hold stable jobs, pay back taxes and fines, maintain clean criminal records, and learn English.”

Ummm…. and just what do you think would happen on our borders if you promising a route to citizenship for illegal aliens without secure borders? And why should an illegal alien have more rights than a Mexican or any other Nationality for that matter that is trying unsuccessfully to enter this country legally?

]]> By: omegaman66 http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/#comment-49267 omegaman66 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:22:22 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1134#comment-49267 5) “[Sen Obama pledges to] deny drilling in our country so china can drill for some of that same oil” This has been proven to be a false statement: “Washington (AP) - Vice President Dick Cheney’s office acknowledged on Thursday that he was mistaken when he asserted that China, at Cuba’s behest, is drilling for oil in waters 60 miles from the Florida coast.” There ARE , however, undeveloped oil leases that oil companies currently have in place that they are NOT drilling in. What is going on here is a land grab by oil companies while they still have a friendly President in office with an atmosphere of fear among the populace that will allow the companies to do what they want. Allow drilling today and it is 10 - 15 years before you see a drop of oil. My rebutal. This is indeed true. China has leases now of the Cuban coastline and have you ever heard of directional drilling. http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html 5) “[Sen Obama pledges to] deny drilling in our country so china can drill for some of that same oil”
This has been proven to be a false statement:
“Washington (AP) – Vice President Dick Cheney’s office acknowledged on Thursday that he was mistaken when he asserted that China, at Cuba’s behest, is drilling for oil in waters 60 miles from the Florida coast.”

There ARE , however, undeveloped oil leases that oil companies currently have in place that they are NOT drilling in. What is going on here is a land grab by oil companies while they still have a friendly President in office with an atmosphere of fear among the populace that will allow the companies to do what they want. Allow drilling today and it is 10 – 15 years before you see a drop of oil.

My rebutal. This is indeed true. China has leases now of the Cuban coastline and have you ever heard of directional drilling.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html

]]> By: omegaman66 http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/#comment-49266 omegaman66 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:17:36 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1134#comment-49266 Jason C. wrote: "3) Sen Obama has never said this. What has been said is that he wants to allow current tax cuts to expire and to increase those on individuals who make more than $250,000/year." You just said he never said he was going to raise taxes but then went on to say he would allow the tax cuts to expire and would increase taxes on those that make over 250K. It might not be on you are me but that is a tax increase. He has said this and more. http://www.oxfordprinceton.com/dib/dib.asp?article=18637092&title=Obama+pledges+oil+windfall+tax&key=The+Oil+Industry "Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has announced that will introduce a windfall tax on oil companies if he is elected in November." Ummm... ExxonMobil has only made 8-12% profit margin on the different parts of their business units. This is inline or below what most businesses make. Tax them and guess who will end up paying for the tax increase. Everyone at the pump. Basically a pledge to raise gas prices. Oboma has said he wants too double the Capital Gains Tax Rate. http://www.gop.com/NEWS/NewsRead.aspx?GUID=1c8467ed-a36c-45c8-919a-a02d0cedc3ec "The reality is that the Clinton and Obama rate increases would hit millions of Americans who make well under $200,000. In 2005, 47% of all tax returns reporting capital gains were from households with incomes below $50,000, and 79% came from households with incomes below $100,000." Jason C. wrote:
“3) Sen Obama has never said this. What has been said is that he wants to allow current tax cuts to expire and to increase those on individuals who make more than $250,000/year.”

You just said he never said he was going to raise taxes but then went on to say he would allow the tax cuts to expire and would increase taxes on those that make over 250K. It might not be on you are me but that is a tax increase.

He has said this and more. http://www.oxfordprinceton.com/dib/dib.asp?article=18637092&title=Obama+pledges+oil+windfall+tax&key=The+Oil+Industry
“Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has announced that will introduce a windfall tax on oil companies if he is elected in November.”

Ummm… ExxonMobil has only made 8-12% profit margin on the different parts of their business units. This is inline or below what most businesses make. Tax them and guess who will end up paying for the tax increase. Everyone at the pump. Basically a pledge to raise gas prices.

Oboma has said he wants too double the Capital Gains Tax Rate.
http://www.gop.com/NEWS/NewsRead.aspx?GUID=1c8467ed-a36c-45c8-919a-a02d0cedc3ec

“The reality is that the Clinton and Obama rate increases would hit millions of Americans who make well under $200,000. In 2005, 47% of all tax returns reporting capital gains were from households with incomes below $50,000, and 79% came from households with incomes below $100,000.”

]]> By: omegaman66 http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/27/mccain-learns-about-and-praises-the-development-of-the-chevy-volt/#comment-49264 omegaman66 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:00:09 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1134#comment-49264 Jason C. wrote 1) “[Sen. Obama is] a man of muslim desent and muslim up bringing” What is your point on this? You forgot to say his middle name is Hussein. This is nothing more than fear mongering. You might as well say “This man is different from you…he is not like us”. Since you cite it below (’his church is anti white’…ummmm, muslims don’t go to church, they go to a mosque), it is noteworthy to remind everyone that he is, actually, a Christian. I agree he is now a practicing christian. I never once said he wasn't. His name "Hussein means nothing to me that is why I didn't mention it. So I guess you are agreeing with me on this one. Jason C. wrote

1) “[Sen. Obama is] a man of muslim desent and muslim up bringing”
What is your point on this? You forgot to say his middle name is Hussein. This is nothing more than fear mongering. You might as well say “This man is different from you…he is not like us”. Since you cite it below (’his church is anti white’…ummmm, muslims don’t go to church, they go to a mosque), it is noteworthy to remind everyone that he is, actually, a Christian.

I agree he is now a practicing christian. I never once said he wasn’t. His name “Hussein means nothing to me that is why I didn’t mention it. So I guess you are agreeing with me on this one.

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