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	<title>Comments on: Video: The Latest With Bob Lutz on the Chevy Volt &#8211; Photovoltaic Roof After All?</title>
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		<title>By: jwcrim</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/22/video-the-latest-with-bob-lutz-on-the-volt-photovoltaic-roof-after-all/#comment-51234</link>
		<dc:creator>jwcrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummmm - no.  40K will not be acceptable.  We are not in the 70&#039;s, things are much different now.  Yes, new technology comes at a price, and new adopters will always pave the way by incurring higher costs, but 40K would assume that there are no other cars or technology available.  Put a plug on a Prius and you get even more MPG with no really new technology.  It&#039;s not that people will have to buy a 40K car, it&#039;s that they can&#039;t afford to buy a 40K car!  Just saying that they have to buy a 40K car does not make it happened.  Don&#039;t lose sight that Chevy is not the only manufacturer out there vying for business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmm &#8211; no.  40K will not be acceptable.  We are not in the 70&#8217;s, things are much different now.  Yes, new technology comes at a price, and new adopters will always pave the way by incurring higher costs, but 40K would assume that there are no other cars or technology available.  Put a plug on a Prius and you get even more MPG with no really new technology.  It&#8217;s not that people will have to buy a 40K car, it&#8217;s that they can&#8217;t afford to buy a 40K car!  Just saying that they have to buy a 40K car does not make it happened.  Don&#8217;t lose sight that Chevy is not the only manufacturer out there vying for business.</p>
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		<title>By: jwcrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwcrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once the wherewithal becomes available to make electric cars do what you would really need them to do, and cost what you can justify, then the decision to buy one becomes a no brainer. Until then building, selling and buying these things is not going to be a practical exercise for very many and the early activity will be driven by a desire for contributing to the effort or at least being seen as doing so.

But before any battery cost/performance/weight breakthrough comes along, there are some events that could change the picture. Those who recall the seventies remember the very high gas prices but also remember something that has not happened to us today (yet): The unavailability of gasoline. Mile-long gas lines, riots.

Should the availability of gasoline again become insufficient and remain insufficient, all the consumers&#039; economic arguments for rational price thresholds go out the window. $40k would look like a steal for a useable plug-in.

Until then, part of the indirect value of a plug-in is insurance. You are buying a means for short, emergency trips in case gasoline becomes difficult or impossible to obtain. As this threat becomes more real, the market will reflect it and seeing the new market, manufacturers will be able to respond with much more capable but very high priced plug-in cars - without losing their shirts. Today of course, those prices would not fly.

If this happens then, long term the large new high priced market would drive technology. If it&#039;s in the cards, advances would be made and prices would gradually come down.

There&#039;s no gas like no gas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the wherewithal becomes available to make electric cars do what you would really need them to do, and cost what you can justify, then the decision to buy one becomes a no brainer. Until then building, selling and buying these things is not going to be a practical exercise for very many and the early activity will be driven by a desire for contributing to the effort or at least being seen as doing so.</p>
<p>But before any battery cost/performance/weight breakthrough comes along, there are some events that could change the picture. Those who recall the seventies remember the very high gas prices but also remember something that has not happened to us today (yet): The unavailability of gasoline. Mile-long gas lines, riots.</p>
<p>Should the availability of gasoline again become insufficient and remain insufficient, all the consumers&#8217; economic arguments for rational price thresholds go out the window. $40k would look like a steal for a useable plug-in.</p>
<p>Until then, part of the indirect value of a plug-in is insurance. You are buying a means for short, emergency trips in case gasoline becomes difficult or impossible to obtain. As this threat becomes more real, the market will reflect it and seeing the new market, manufacturers will be able to respond with much more capable but very high priced plug-in cars &#8211; without losing their shirts. Today of course, those prices would not fly.</p>
<p>If this happens then, long term the large new high priced market would drive technology. If it&#8217;s in the cards, advances would be made and prices would gradually come down.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no gas like no gas.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 05:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care about a photo-voltaic roofs, electric chipmunks,  or fancy options.  Let’s not lose sight of what the end goal is! Just get the car to market, and get that 40 mile round-trip!  And for 25-30K like GM said in the beginning.  If it&#039;s 30-40K then I&#039;ll probably be in a Prius.  

Look GM, 40K is just stupid.  Unless you are a movie star or flat-out rich that ain&#039;t gonna fly.  I want to help the planet and save money at the pump, but it isn&#039;t financially feasible for most people.  If 40K is the only way GM can get this car to market, then GM has FAILED!  What happened to American ingenuity?  

If the Volt is released at 40K, ten years later GM will be wondering why nobody wanted an electric automobile.  Ummmmm– few people can afford 40K?  

I was really jazzed when I saw the prototype and initial specs and cost.  But I’m becoming rather disappointed when I see where things appear to be headed.  My experience leads me to believe that if GM is saying under 40K now, it will be 45-50K at release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care about a photo-voltaic roofs, electric chipmunks,  or fancy options.  Let’s not lose sight of what the end goal is! Just get the car to market, and get that 40 mile round-trip!  And for 25-30K like GM said in the beginning.  If it&#8217;s 30-40K then I&#8217;ll probably be in a Prius.  </p>
<p>Look GM, 40K is just stupid.  Unless you are a movie star or flat-out rich that ain&#8217;t gonna fly.  I want to help the planet and save money at the pump, but it isn&#8217;t financially feasible for most people.  If 40K is the only way GM can get this car to market, then GM has FAILED!  What happened to American ingenuity?  </p>
<p>If the Volt is released at 40K, ten years later GM will be wondering why nobody wanted an electric automobile.  Ummmmm– few people can afford 40K?  </p>
<p>I was really jazzed when I saw the prototype and initial specs and cost.  But I’m becoming rather disappointed when I see where things appear to be headed.  My experience leads me to believe that if GM is saying under 40K now, it will be 45-50K at release.</p>
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		<title>By: Peasant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peasant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is but a simple man&#039;s offering, but the Venturi Eclectic vehicle on the website  http://www.gizmag.com/go/6240/   currently (?) being produced in small numbers is a solar-wind hybrid tauted as completely autonomous.  It is pricey of course.  And it is limited in speed and range, but it shows what is possible.  In response to the person above concerning wind turbines, they would be placed on the vehicle roof (or on the ground) while it is parked, not while driving.  In response to the folks who know about solar technology, the solar recharging is 7 kw per day of exposure.  Several people have calculated numbers like 2.5 kw or 200 W.  This vehilce could be a hoax, or they could be lying, but I kind of doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is but a simple man&#8217;s offering, but the Venturi Eclectic vehicle on the website  <a href="http://www.gizmag.com/go/6240/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gizmag.com/go/6240/</a>   currently (?) being produced in small numbers is a solar-wind hybrid tauted as completely autonomous.  It is pricey of course.  And it is limited in speed and range, but it shows what is possible.  In response to the person above concerning wind turbines, they would be placed on the vehicle roof (or on the ground) while it is parked, not while driving.  In response to the folks who know about solar technology, the solar recharging is 7 kw per day of exposure.  Several people have calculated numbers like 2.5 kw or 200 W.  This vehilce could be a hoax, or they could be lying, but I kind of doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin R</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retirees are going to be the biggest segment of the car market soon. The largest demographic in history, the baby boomers are now entering retirement age.  This entire group will be downsizing homes and cars (SUV&#039;s) and the Volt fits this segment of the population perfectly as most will be living in urban settings.  You&#039;re absolutely right in saying that at $40,000 it will be out of the reach of a huge market, whose incomes will be flattening or declining.  The twenty something crowd has huge student loan debts and won&#039;t be able to afford this car either.

Price it around $25-30 and its a game changer and will propel GM in front of the competition. Price it higher and the competition will forever leave GM behind and relegated to the history books of once powerful corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retirees are going to be the biggest segment of the car market soon. The largest demographic in history, the baby boomers are now entering retirement age.  This entire group will be downsizing homes and cars (SUV&#8217;s) and the Volt fits this segment of the population perfectly as most will be living in urban settings.  You&#8217;re absolutely right in saying that at $40,000 it will be out of the reach of a huge market, whose incomes will be flattening or declining.  The twenty something crowd has huge student loan debts and won&#8217;t be able to afford this car either.</p>
<p>Price it around $25-30 and its a game changer and will propel GM in front of the competition. Price it higher and the competition will forever leave GM behind and relegated to the history books of once powerful corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: CWR64</title>
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		<dc:creator>CWR64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently retired at 61 and bought a Saturn Aura for roughly $20K including rebates.  I waited for months for Saturn to field their Aura hybrid in Dallas - never happened &amp; I gave up waiting.  I know from talking to others going into retirement and who are looking to buy or have bought their &quot;retirement cars&quot; that $40K is way beyond what they will spend.  I think that retirees are a fairly good sized car market, but we won&#039;t be able to afford a Volt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently retired at 61 and bought a Saturn Aura for roughly $20K including rebates.  I waited for months for Saturn to field their Aura hybrid in Dallas &#8211; never happened &amp; I gave up waiting.  I know from talking to others going into retirement and who are looking to buy or have bought their &#8220;retirement cars&#8221; that $40K is way beyond what they will spend.  I think that retirees are a fairly good sized car market, but we won&#8217;t be able to afford a Volt.</p>
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		<title>By: Grizzly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Omeaga 66

&quot;Solar panel roof right now would be stupid.&quot;

*** *** ***

Yes it would since it would do very little but cost quite a bit.  GM has bigger hurdles in bringing this vehicle to market and again I must stress that it is no small task.  Much engineering work to be done to make the 2011 deadline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omeaga 66</p>
<p>&#8220;Solar panel roof right now would be stupid.&#8221;</p>
<p>*** *** ***</p>
<p>Yes it would since it would do very little but cost quite a bit.  GM has bigger hurdles in bringing this vehicle to market and again I must stress that it is no small task.  Much engineering work to be done to make the 2011 deadline.</p>
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		<title>By: omegaman66</title>
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		<dc:creator>omegaman66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solar panel roof right now would be stupid.  Good thing GM isn&#039;t planning on doing that yet.  Maybe in the future when prices come way way down.  I guess a lot of people here think a pv roof would extend the range of the volt enough to make a hill of beans difference or they wouldn&#039;t be pushing for it so hard.  Gaining one mile of range on the drive home from work (not to work) at the added cost of thousands makes about as much sense as a fur sink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar panel roof right now would be stupid.  Good thing GM isn&#8217;t planning on doing that yet.  Maybe in the future when prices come way way down.  I guess a lot of people here think a pv roof would extend the range of the volt enough to make a hill of beans difference or they wouldn&#8217;t be pushing for it so hard.  Gaining one mile of range on the drive home from work (not to work) at the added cost of thousands makes about as much sense as a fur sink.</p>
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		<title>By: jwcrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwcrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; It is much easier to sequester the polution (CO2 incl.) from a power plant with emerging technology than retrofit all the individual cars.&quot;

Agree.

With electricity as the energy transport medium, it is also easier and quicker to phase out and switch to new energy sources or to add a mix of energy sources in the future. Changing power plants isn&#039;t easy but it&#039;s is a lot easier than changing car technologies.

You get to use what&#039;s available as it becomes available. For example existing nuclear technology can be used initially then replaced or augmented by a mix of solar, clean coal, etc. as the new technologies come on line.  The grid and the cars needn&#039;t change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; It is much easier to sequester the polution (CO2 incl.) from a power plant with emerging technology than retrofit all the individual cars.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agree.</p>
<p>With electricity as the energy transport medium, it is also easier and quicker to phase out and switch to new energy sources or to add a mix of energy sources in the future. Changing power plants isn&#8217;t easy but it&#8217;s is a lot easier than changing car technologies.</p>
<p>You get to use what&#8217;s available as it becomes available. For example existing nuclear technology can be used initially then replaced or augmented by a mix of solar, clean coal, etc. as the new technologies come on line.  The grid and the cars needn&#8217;t change.</p>
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