Comments on: Lutz: $40,000 is Breakeven Price for the Chevy Volt and First Generation Will Not Make Money For GM http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:53:37 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ruben Omar http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/#comment-106375 Ruben Omar Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:59:16 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1120#comment-106375 I thought we were in a recession/depression. Were did you ppl come up with that obsurd price. For GM's sake, I hope that Lut's ppl can come up with better pricing. Were do ya'll get off. Its that kind of thinking that is going put GM in a coma and dead soon there after. You have got to be kidding me ppl wake REALITY CHECK!!!! Here is a solution to GMs problems. Sell the Volt for under $25.000 and then almost every American family can own one. Your profit will be volume, And since there are millions of pple looking for a solution to high gas prices most everyone will buy. Then gradually raise prices on supply and demand principle. With the Feds backing GM you will have enough capital until you turn a healthy profit. And fire the execs that can't come up with this simple plan i just layed out. Peace out from Houston w/ Luv. I thought we were in a recession/depression. Were did you ppl come up with that obsurd price.
For GM’s sake, I hope that Lut’s ppl can come up with better pricing. Were do ya’ll get off. Its that kind of thinking that is going put GM in a coma and dead soon there after. You have got to be kidding me ppl wake REALITY CHECK!!!! Here is a solution to GMs problems. Sell the Volt for under $25.000 and then almost every American family can own one. Your profit will be volume, And since there are millions of pple looking for a solution to high gas prices most everyone will buy. Then gradually raise prices on supply and demand principle. With the Feds backing GM you will have enough capital until you turn a healthy profit.
And fire the execs that can’t come up with this simple plan i just layed out.
Peace out from Houston w/ Luv.

]]> By: Should we have an auto bailout? - Page 21 - Xtreme CPU http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/#comment-99792 Should we have an auto bailout? - Page 21 - Xtreme CPU Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:55:16 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1120#comment-99792 [...] with one spectacular warranty...like about 35 years on the batteries. Speaking of break even... Lutz: $40,000 is Breakeven Price for the Chevy Volt and First Generation Will Not Make Money For GM ... [...] [...] with one spectacular warranty…like about 35 years on the batteries. Speaking of break even… Lutz: $40,000 is Breakeven Price for the Chevy Volt and First Generation Will Not Make Money For GM … [...]

]]> By: Bill http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/#comment-92085 Bill Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:06:07 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1120#comment-92085 I'll never buy American again, this 40K goes to support overpriced union contracts and upper mng packages. How can you be the #1 auto manufacturer and go broke? Never again..... I’ll never buy American again, this 40K goes to support overpriced union contracts and upper mng packages. How can you be the #1 auto manufacturer and go broke? Never again…..

]]> By: John D. http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/#comment-67888 John D. Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:11:19 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1120#comment-67888 I have read over 100 comments regarding today's unrevealing of the Volt... A LOT of people will not buy the car because of: 40% of the 100+ comments I read mentioned $40k being too high, and they'd spend $20-30k for it. 25% said they can't believe how cool the concept was, and how LAME and copy-cattish of GM to use a lame techno car design. I don't really care either way, because I could never afford it anyways. I have read over 100 comments regarding today’s unrevealing of the Volt… A LOT of people will not buy the car because of:

40% of the 100+ comments I read mentioned $40k being too high, and they’d spend $20-30k for it.

25% said they can’t believe how cool the concept was, and how LAME and copy-cattish of GM to use a lame techno car design.

I don’t really care either way, because I could never afford it anyways.

]]> By: roland http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/#comment-67105 roland Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:01:39 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1120#comment-67105 It should be noted that there will still be a gasoline powered engine under the hood used to power the battery charger on trips over 40 miles for the Volt, so normal engine maintenance will be required. It should be noted that there will still be a gasoline powered engine under the hood used to power the battery charger on trips over 40 miles for the Volt, so normal engine maintenance will be required.

]]> By: Dave http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/#comment-57339 Dave Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:27:02 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1120#comment-57339 40K is completely within most car buyer's budgets. Let's understand the true cost here. Electric vehicles cost between 1-1/2 and 2-/1/2 cents per mile to "drive" (as opposed to full operating cost). Whereas gasoline powered vehicles cost more like twenty cents. So over a hundred thousand miles, discounting vehicular maintenance, tires and battery costs which I expect GM will maintain for a fee, you'd save about $18,000. So the real cost is more like $22.000. Add in the reduced maintenance costs of NOT having a gas powered engine under the hood (electric motors don't wear much - note that some have been runing elevators for many decades with very little maintenance) and you could easily offset battery replacement costs. We pay for oil, tune ups, pumps, timing belt replacement, filters, mufflers, and tons of other junk that aren't found on electric vehicles. And sure, they'll be lots of other stuff to replace this which can fail, such as chargers, fans, coolers, brushes, and a much simpler but just as important transmission. But all-in-all, an electric vehicle can be a heck-of-a-lot more dependable and maintenance free when compared to the thundering gas guzzling junk on the road today. 40K is completely within most car buyer’s budgets. Let’s understand the true cost here. Electric vehicles cost between 1-1/2 and 2-/1/2 cents per mile to “drive” (as opposed to full operating cost). Whereas gasoline powered vehicles cost more like twenty cents. So over a hundred thousand miles, discounting vehicular maintenance, tires and battery costs which I expect GM will maintain for a fee, you’d save about $18,000. So the real cost is more like $22.000. Add in the reduced maintenance costs of NOT having a gas powered engine under the hood (electric motors don’t wear much – note that some have been runing elevators for many decades with very little maintenance) and you could easily offset battery replacement costs.

We pay for oil, tune ups, pumps, timing belt replacement, filters, mufflers, and tons of other junk that aren’t found on electric vehicles. And sure, they’ll be lots of other stuff to replace this which can fail, such as chargers, fans, coolers, brushes, and a much simpler but just as important transmission. But all-in-all, an electric vehicle can be a heck-of-a-lot more dependable and maintenance free when compared to the thundering gas guzzling junk on the road today.

]]> By: Jim the Dealer http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/#comment-55544 Jim the Dealer Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:15:35 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1120#comment-55544 Jim 355 "buy a GM car and trade it in on a Volt" That made my day :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Trade it in for what? For a cupholder? Jim 355
“buy a GM car and trade it in on a Volt”
That made my day :) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Trade it in for what? For a cupholder?

]]> By: Jim http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/#comment-54908 Jim Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:17:34 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1120#comment-54908 Speaking as an engineer, I think GM deserves a lot of credit for undertaking such an ambitious technical challenge as the Volt project, especially in the extremely compressed time frame they have established. GM's stated goal is practical ownership: a car that anyone can drive anywhere with very little maintenance. This takes a lot of engineering and testing. The EV-1 was only available in very limited areas where it was always warm and didn't rain much and never snowed. The Volt has to work in Chicago, among other places. Whereas the Volt will seat four persons in comfort, the Tesla is a tight two-seater (basically a Lotus Elise) that costs over $100,000 (that's about 2 Corvettes) -- and it has had it's share of technical issues and delays. As far as the $40,000 initial cost, there are three variables in any project: specifications, schedule, and cost. If you want it to be good and you want to have it soon, it won't be cheap. Unlike the Government, GM can't print money when its revenue drops, so if you want GM to subsidize the cost, then go buy a GM car now to boost their current sales and trade it in on a Volt in 2010 or 2011. Speaking as an engineer, I think GM deserves a lot of credit for undertaking such an ambitious technical challenge as the Volt project, especially in the extremely compressed time frame they have established. GM’s stated goal is practical ownership: a car that anyone can drive anywhere with very little maintenance. This takes a lot of engineering and testing. The EV-1 was only available in very limited areas where it was always warm and didn’t rain much and never snowed. The Volt has to work in Chicago, among other places. Whereas the Volt will seat four persons in comfort, the Tesla is a tight two-seater (basically a Lotus Elise) that costs over $100,000 (that’s about 2 Corvettes) — and it has had it’s share of technical issues and delays. As far as the $40,000 initial cost, there are three variables in any project: specifications, schedule, and cost. If you want it to be good and you want to have it soon, it won’t be cheap. Unlike the Government, GM can’t print money when its revenue drops, so if you want GM to subsidize the cost, then go buy a GM car now to boost their current sales and trade it in on a Volt in 2010 or 2011.

]]> By: John C http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/#comment-49376 John C Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:51:30 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1120#comment-49376 GM needs to rethink the price. It looks like they are going with the same game plan as the Hybrid Tahoe. Look how well it is doing - not! New type of car, new type of GM, new type of pricing. GM needs to rethink the price. It looks like they are going with the same game plan as the Hybrid Tahoe. Look how well it is doing – not!

New type of car, new type of GM, new type of pricing.

]]> By: Chris http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/18/lutz-40000-is-breakeven-price-for-the-chevy-volt-and-first-generation-will-not-make-money-for-gm/#comment-48924 Chris Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:03:52 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1120#comment-48924 They really are doing the "Hydrogen thing" arent they? IE promising this great new car that runs on perpetual motion and will be available in 2 years....and 2 years from now it will be available in aother 2 years (due to a technical glitch they could not have forseen) Ok - last tank on my 1995 Escort I got 36MPG - This tank Im seeing 34 MPG so far and thats with the AC cranking most of the time - best tank is 39.5 MPG and thats ona car that has 125K miles on it (or so). So...WTF? The new cars are doing about as good or a little better than cars made 13 years ago when gas was cheap? Why did Honda cancel the Insight? Why is Toyota limiting the number of Priuses it sells? Why did Toyota give up on making Priuses here in america? Why is GM constantly raising the bar on the price of this thing? Where is the Tesla Whitestar that was promised in 2008? Time for "Who killed the electric car II" me thinks..... God I love the smell of a big oil conspiracy theory in the morning....smells like.....defeat. (g) You know what I think....I think the car manufacturers are hedging their bets. If a democrat gets in the white house...AND that democrat actually does something about all this....then they will survive and have a car ready to sell. If a republican gets in that supports big oil.....then they go back to buisiness as usual and cite the lack of demand for these cars. Actually....Obama has been pushing ethanol a lot.....so who knows maybe we go from bad to worse....from burning the evil fossil fuels to burning the "good" alchohol fuels.....nevermind that ethanol has a higher water content - rots out your car faster due to that - and takes more energy to produce than it does to process Oil.....oh and energy density happens to be a lot less with ethanol.....so while you pay less per gallon you fill up more the end result being a net increase in the price of gas.....whatever. At least when the north pole is free of ice this summer we can explore that region for more oil.... They really are doing the “Hydrogen thing” arent they?

IE promising this great new car that runs on perpetual motion and will be available in 2 years….and 2 years from now it will be available in aother 2 years (due to a technical glitch they could not have forseen)

Ok – last tank on my 1995 Escort I got 36MPG – This tank Im seeing 34 MPG so far and thats with the AC cranking most of the time – best tank is 39.5 MPG and thats ona car that has 125K miles on it (or so).

So…WTF? The new cars are doing about as good or a little better than cars made 13 years ago when gas was cheap?

Why did Honda cancel the Insight?

Why is Toyota limiting the number of Priuses it sells?

Why did Toyota give up on making Priuses here in america?

Why is GM constantly raising the bar on the price of this thing?

Where is the Tesla Whitestar that was promised in 2008?

Time for “Who killed the electric car II” me thinks…..

God I love the smell of a big oil conspiracy theory in the morning….smells like…..defeat. (g)

You know what I think….I think the car manufacturers are hedging their bets. If a democrat gets in the white house…AND that democrat actually does something about all this….then they will survive and have a car ready to sell.

If a republican gets in that supports big oil…..then they go back to buisiness as usual and cite the lack of demand for these cars.

Actually….Obama has been pushing ethanol a lot…..so who knows maybe we go from bad to worse….from burning the evil fossil fuels to burning the “good” alchohol fuels…..nevermind that ethanol has a higher water content – rots out your car faster due to that – and takes more energy to produce than it does to process Oil…..oh and energy density happens to be a lot less with ethanol…..so while you pay less per gallon you fill up more the end result being a net increase in the price of gas…..whatever.

At least when the north pole is free of ice this summer we can explore that region for more oil….

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