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Say Goodbye to the Chevy Volt Concept Model

June 15th, 2008 | Posted in: Design, Public Opinion

From its reverberating splash in January 2007 to its display in Washington D.C. last week, the world has become quite familiar with the Chevy Volt concept’s sleek and muscular form.

Copied constantly across millions of web, print, and video pages our vehicular hero has made its exit.

As per GM, the showing in Washington D.C. was the last public appearance the original Chevy Volt concept shall make.

The next time we see the Volt in public it will be the production re-design.

Many ask what the new version will look like, and no I haven’t seen it. We know it will be roughly the same length and width, have a low belt line, a Kammback (steep drop), rounded front, and tapered corners. It will be highly aerodynamic, high tech, not be a Cobalt with a battery, and per Bob Lutz “look unmistakably like the Volt”.

So lets take this time to say goodbye to the concept show car and give it thanks for all it has done. It has brought the idea of electric driving into public consciousness more than anything else in history. It is a concept being brought to reality because of us, those who have told GM we want them to build this car and move to a world without oil. For the risk GM is taking in betting on E-Flex technology and so far meeting the unprecedented challenges they set forth.

Of course this isn’t really the end, but just the beginning. We await the exciting and thrilling next chapter of saying hello to the production Chevy Volt.

Source (Detroit News)

Posted by: Lyle

109 Responses to “Say Goodbye to the Chevy Volt Concept Model”

NZDavid Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:19 am

Bye Concept.

Hope the production version doesn’t remind me of a Prius.
Looking forward to Lyles drive in the mule.

Go GM Go Volt.

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Biodieseljeep Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:24 am

Not to beat a dead horse…but…LOOKS ARE IMPORTANT! Please make the (my) Volt the hottest thing on 4 wheels…and not another runty econo streamlined excretion like the Prius/focus/yaris.etc…etc. Trust me, it is worth sacrificing some aero if you want the dinero. Ask anyone in the car industry.

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Rashiid Amul Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:31 am

While understanding the reason why the concept went away, I will miss it greatly. It is beautiful and I think many people would have wanted to own it for its looks.

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Sentinel Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:39 am

I really hope the final version isn’t a clone of every other Chevy on the road today. I don’t want to look at it and think “yup, that’s a Chevy”. I want to think…. “YA!!! that’s a Volt”

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MarkFLL Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:54 am

Farewell, my friend. Parting is such sweet sorrow.

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Jason M. Hendler Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 9:09 am

Wow, the concept vehicle only lasted 18 months. GM is just ripping through their punchlists of things to do.

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Spin Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 9:20 am

It doesn’t matter much to me how it looks. I just want it to get 40-50 miles per charge, seat 4, and cost less than $30,000.

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nasaman Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 9:24 am

4 Sentinel……
You said, “I really hope the final version isn’t a clone of every other Chevy on the road today. I don’t want to look at it and think “yup, that’s a Chevy”. I want to think…. “YA!!! that’s a Volt”

I AGREE!!! I bought a Camaro Z-28 in 1982 that DID NOT HAVE THE “BOW-TIE” OR THE WORD “CHEVY” OR “CHEVROLET” ANYWHERE ON THE CAR, INSIDE OR OUT! It was a GREAT marketing ploy that exploited simple (but powerful) human curiosity. That newly-redesigned 1982-series Z-28 became the basis for the famous IROC race series that drivers from ANY background (Indy, Nascar, F1, etc) could enter …..every car was a Z-28. Take note, GM!!!!

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George K Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 9:54 am

Nasaman # 8

I’m wondering if you know something of the new design?

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Kevin R Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 10:04 am

I have always wanted to buy this car for two reasons….it’s electric propulsion and it’s dynamic, turn your head looks!

I still want this car and am very hopeful that it looks unmistakably like the concept….that is my hope. Either way, Go Volt Team….

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Stan Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 10:15 am

I thought the reveal was months away. Does this mean a reveal is coming next week. Please clarify otherwise we still have a way to go. I think it would be cool to unveil on the fourth of july!

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Rashiid Amul Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 10:22 am

Happy Father’s Day, Lyle.

Happy Father’s Day to all of you.

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Statik Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 10:47 am

Goodbye gorgeous car.

I would have rathered have you and a 35mile range than whatever GM is going to show us next.

But you had to go away, because you are another unrealistic show car that was promised at too low a price.

You just had too many cool and expensive parts, so we had to pretend you needed to change for aerodynamic’s sake. What would another 2kWh to the pack have cost to still get the 40 mile range? Another $800 bucks?

I’m bracing myself for something that looks like a ’suped-up’ Malibu. I don’t know really how this is a good day. As far as I can tell, this is the day the car we love gets shuttered and put away, leaving us to wait and wonder just how much less of a car we will actually be driving.

Isn’t that the truth? Does anyone here think we are getting a better looking car than this? I doubt it. Which means we are all just sitting quietly, hoping GM doesn’t dumb it down too much.

(But don’t worry GM ‘bean-counters’ that I’m sure gauge this site for reactions, if you beat the EV Prius/Mitsu i-Miev to market I’ll still buy one. As I said before, first 4-door EV gets my business)

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Jason M. Hendler Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 10:51 am

Interesting discussion about the Chevy nameplate – perhaps Volt will evolve into a nameplate. I suspect GM is trying to green their existing nameplates, instead of creating new ones. The option is always open to create a nameplate based off one model, as Chysler did with Eagle.

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DaV8or Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:04 am

The original concept’s retirement is long over due. I think that as soon as they put it in the wind tunnel and found out that it would need a major rework, they should have retired it. I really love the this concept, and so do many others, but we all know it’s not what we’re getting, so to keep trotting out in front of folks seems a little like bait and switch. There are still new folks finding the Volt and seeing this concept and getting excited about something they’ll never get. I think Lyle should take it off the header on this site too, but that’s just me and it’s Lyle’s site.

Farewell Concept 1, job well done. You got me this far into Volt. Hopefully your successor will do as well as you did. Happy retirement in the GM storage garage will all the other great concepts from years gone by. One day you’ll be worth millions at an auction somewhere.

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DaV8or Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:10 am

Jason #14

“The option is always open to create a nameplate based off one model, as Chysler did with Eagle.”

…and you can see how well that worked out. GM’s done it before with LaSalle and Geo. Both history. Best to just keep the Volt a Chevy and then give the other divisions an E-Flex of their own.

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DaV8or Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:12 am

Statik #13

“I would have rathered have you and a 35mile range than whatever GM is going to show us next.”

Me too brother, me too.

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Jimmy Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:34 am

I would buy one of the concept cars if GM would install a gas engine.

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jeff Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

#13 & 17
. . . me too. Maybe a little work on the tail of the Volt. . . but maybe it(the Volt) will rise when the energy crises passes — after all cars turn to electrical drive.

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Tagamet Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Farewell, Concept. I’ll miss you (a lot). Hope springs eternal (except at Statik’s house). The production model can still look great, even if it’s different than our first love.
OK, GM, enough of the burlesque stripper act – let’s see the whole thing.
Tag

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Koz Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

Maybe GM is already thinking or perhaps they will have an epiphany that they can produce a car like the concept Volt. They just can make for under $40,000, with 40 miles AER, with range extending 50mpg and some other goals that were set. They could make it with 160 KW motor, 30 miles AER, range extending 30mpg, and $45-50. I think a Cadillac or perhaps even Chevy small sports sedan with looks like the concept Volt and 0-60 under 7 seconds would do very well. I don’t know which model I’ld prefer. Judging from the feedback on this site, I think a decent percentage would prefer this implementation of the sportier Volt concept.

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Red HHR Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

It has been fun watching the development of the Volt, I Googled Volt the day I say the prototype unveiled. It has been pretty much like other developments. The price goes up while the style is toned down. I had a ride in the first generation of Prius, thought it was a cool car. I am pretty sure we would have bought one except for two things. It was not red, and too hard to find. Any way I hope the math adds up so we can afford a Volt. Also I would be willing to change… I could accept a Volt in electric yellow!

The old Volt is dead! Long Live the new Volt!
And bring on the pictures!

Red HHR

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Firefly Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

#12 Rashiid Amul

Happy Father’s Day to you and every other dad here as well.

P.S. I may be in the minority here but I won’t lie to you when I say that I do hope that it looks kinda like the Flextreme concept…with a distinctive Volt front.

…Almost there…

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ThombDbhomb Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

If GM doesn’t need the concept model, I’ll take it off their hands.

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Jason M. Hendler Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

#16, Dav8or,

The Eagle line was succeeding well, as was much of Chrysler’s products, until Daimler bought Chrysler. The Eagle Talon was a hot little car.

Again, depending on how popular the Volt becomes, it may be easiest to communicate the proliferation of the flex-treme / E-REV platform, by call each one of the them a Volt.

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Statik Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

#20 Tag

“Farewell, Concept. I’ll miss you (a lot). Hope springs eternal (except at Statik’s house). The production model can still look great, even if it’s different than our first love. OK, GM, enough of the burlesque stripper act – let’s see the whole thing.”

No one ever leaves my house…alive.

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Tagamet Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

Statik,
I worry about your child. Not your “inner child”, your child.

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swimdad623 Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

#25 Jason, #16 Dav8or

If you really believe (as I do) that the E-Flex architecture is the basis for the future, then Chevy should keep the Volt as a Chevy and then just move the E-Flex through their product line. Look what Toyota did with the “Hybrid Synergy Drive” label. They used the same Prius technology on the Camry, Highlander, and Lexus RX400h.

I beieve that the Volt will be the first of many E-Flex vehicles from GM. After the success of the Volt, we’ll see smaller and larger vesions of the “Volt”, that will eventually cover all of their passenger car lines.

In the long run, I think GM is in a very good market position. The E-Flex is a great platform for cars and other vehicles that don’t need a lot of towing capacity. Where they do need towing capacity or off-road 4WD, then the two-mode transmission meets the needs (albeit at reduced efficiency and higher cost).

In the end, GM just has to complete what they’ve started. The two-mode products are just now coming off the assembly line, and when the Volt arrives in large quantities, I think GM will be back on top.

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omegaman66 Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

Bad news Statik I just got of the phone with GM and they say that you have been banned from owning a new Volt. Looks like you will have to buy a Ford Escape instead.

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RB Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

As we leave the Volt Concept behind, we also leave the Volt behind. The Volt was fun and exciting while it lasted, and we thank GM for letting us believe in the dream for a time.

Moving on to more important items:
#12 Rashid, thank you.
#23 Firefly, thank you.
Happy Father’s Day to you also, and to all Father’s who read this message.

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wwskinn3 Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

I’m with #18 Jimmy – I would buy one of the concept cars if GM would just put a small gas engine in it and sell it. Call it anything you want – it still looks cool.

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Scott Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

I’m not going to bash the new design until I see it.

But I think the concept look is wonderful, and I hope the production design highly resembles it. Style is important.

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Kevin Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Ahhh man!!! The whole reason why the volt was such a hype and is so nice is because of its modern sexy classy look . I really hope that the engineers retained the volt look . Other wise you can forgot about me order my car if it look like some retarded pruis or hatch back yaris. The whole reason for dishing out money for this car is for the minimal l environmental impact and the luxury and sexy stying within the car . Sorry but if the car is not appealing to my eyes they can probably still ship me the car but before i drive it , its first stop will be the body modification shop so that they can remodify it and give me the true concept volt look . ……………Actually…………………….. i might just do that any way and be the first person to actually have the colt concept car

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Terry K Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

Excuse me, but this Tony Posawatz guy at GM wants to cut the balls off of our beloved Volt, turn it into the “Volt 20″, an oversized golf cart with no acceleration, and all YOU can do is argue about how it will look ?
How shallow is that ?

It’s like a man, watching TV in a burning house, complaining about the fuzzy reception as the roof is burning. Tony Posawatz should be enemy #1 to every person on this site who loves the Volt. He took Bob’s dream, and basically used it for toilet paper. Unforgiveable, unless Tony retracts everything, and apologizes.

Good luck with your golf carts that look somewhat like Volts. I’m sure you will look real cool as you struggle to get up to 60 MPH. Acceleration – that’s the American meaning of fun.

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Terry K Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

Scene opens…

Tony setting at his desk, thinking “The 40 mile Volt was Bob’s stupid idea. A**hole ! Maybe now the board will see that it should be me running the Volt project, not Bob. Now I’m in the spotlight”. But he doesn’t hear two men creeping up in him from behind. Suddenly, a rag, smelling of chemicals, is pressed to his nose and mouth. He quickly passes out.

“Bob, he’s waking up”. Tony slowly raises his head and finds his hands cuffed and his legs tied together – he cannot move. He sees Bob. “Tony, I heard you have become GM’s newest celebrity. That interview you gave – I don’t recall you clearing what you said with me. A 20 mile Volt ? After I worked so hard, spent so many sleepless nights, and had to plead with the board for funding, only to have you undercut my authority and my project with a worthless piece of s**t, like the Volt 20 ? I’m afraid I have to reassign you, Tony. Boys, gag him”.

After Tony is gagged, Bob continues. “Since that I want to say is very important, I don’t want you to interrupt. I’m reassigning you to the auto junkyard in south Detroit. We have influence there. I ordered all the workers out for today, so you can conduct your, ah, study of what happens to old Gm products at the end of the line. You, Tony, are going to witness how cars are recycled from inside a car”.

Tony, through gag: “Hmmm hmmm hmmmmmmm!”

Bob: “Boys, get that sorry sack of s**t out of my office and get him, ahem, reassigned”. “Yes sir”.

Junkyard scene, Tony being stuffed into the trunk of an old, rusted out Bonneville. “Hmmm hmmmmmmm hmmmmmm” Hey, what’s your problem (evil laugh). We found ya a Pontiac for you to, study, right” ? One man to the other “Lets shut the trunk and get him, reassigned”. Hmmmm Hmmmmmmm, trunk lid slams.

Over the Detroit skyline, a crane lifts a nondescript old car into a car compacter. The compacter cycles, and a small metal cube emerges. Two guys leave the junkyard. “Who bought the beer last time ? I did. No, I did. That was last week, I bought it last Tuesday. If you did, I don’t remember it”. Arguing continues as scene fades to black.

If only it was true. (No GM executives were hurt in the making of this story)

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Ben M. Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

@Terry K.

…speechless…

When is it going to be on youtube? ; )

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Rockyroad Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

GM should have Chrysler design the volt.

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MarkFLL Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

What a story! Brought on tears of joy. And the ending…where have I seen that before?

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Statik Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

#27 Tag

“Statik,I worry about your child. Not your “inner child”, your child.”

Me too!

All he got me was a lousy hand drawn card and few, “I love you daddys” He is going to do better than that…I have it on good authority that my neighbour’s two year old made a play-dough figurine of some sort.

Don’t worry, I told him that more was expected of him.

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Statik Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

#37 Rockyroad

“GM should have Chrysler design the volt.”

As long as they don’t give it the guys over at Pontiac. Then I really can see a Malibu with a whole bunch of plastic pieces slapped on it, a skirt kit and a rear wing…maybe a oversized “GT” badge on it for fun.

/classy

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fred Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

I’m purchasing it first affordable chance I get. The heck with opec(for all you conservative mofo’s). I hope GM beats the japs to market with the product. But how can it happen when the entire jap goverment is backing their vehicle development but GM has to do it alone. I wish our government had some intelligent leadership FOR A CHANGE and offered the auto manufacturers alot of help. Do we have a government to start wars or help the populace live well and prosper? Please GM get the volt for sale ASAP!

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Terry K Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

#38 MarkFLL – The story was gleefully lifted from Robocop (except Bob is the good guy) – Tip of the hat to Paul Verhoeven.

Ya gotta admit, it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy, the guy (Tony Posawitz) who castrated our beloved Volt 40, and turned it into a glorified golf cart.

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ThombDbhomb Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

#42 Terry K
Please don’t spread misinformation. The cited article said,

“[Posawatz] said GM would probably opt to ramp up slowly with the first production run of the 400-pound battery packs for the Volt, ‘just to make sure everything is bulletproof.’…GM is designing the Volt to run for 40 miles (64 km) on a lithium-ion battery pack that can be recharged at a standard electric outlet. …In the future, GM could offer a battery pack with a 20-mile electric-only range to bring costs down, Posawatz said, part of an effort to cut the cost of such vehicles by half or more.”

By unfairly singling out and demonizing a GM executive and making untrue claims, you are not helping the cause. You are being divisive. Let’s stick to the facts and work together. The world needs to use less petroleum. The Volt takes us in that direction.

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Terry K Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

#43 Thomb – You forgot one thing – half the acceleration.

As for being “divisive”, it’s called having a different point of view. We’re allowed to have that in America. Tony is actually the divisive one. He took the Volt community, and split it down the middle by taking Bob’s vision and tearing it in half.

My fear is that the Volt 20 will eclipse the Volt 40’s research budget priorities, and eventually cause the entire Volt 40 program to be shelved, along with the original Volt body prototype. The Volt 20 could possible fail when Toyota unveils their Lithium powered Prius with even more range. The Volt 40 was a game changer – I hate to see it end up it the dust bin of history.

To everyone else – when someone accuses you of being “divisive”, what they are really telling you to do is “shut up”. Don’t ever let them. Make your voice heard, state your views, and never let the self-appointed censors win.

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wwskinn3 Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

FOR GM: If you can’t deliver – I’ll bet someone else will! Then you’ll always be able to say “I could have done it first”. Think about that for awhile then get this thing out on the market at a reasonable price. If you lose money for a while – you’ll get it back and more on second or third generation.

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JC Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

Anyone who believes that the concept car could actually be built at an affordable price has to be fooling themselves.

I could care less what the car looks like, it’s all about the performance, and it has to be affordable to the masses (meaning <$30k). For those with large pockets, let them customize the car as they see fit.

Let’s get the core technology right, meaning getting the motors, batteries and series ICE to meet spec, and the software algorithms done. If they spend time adding lipstick, the Toyota’s and Honda’s of the world will quickly catch up beat GM to the punch.

Let’s worry about the “cool factor” later, and get the core technology done, and done right now!

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Rashiid Amul Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

Terry K #44 says “To everyone else – when someone accuses you of being “divisive”, what they are really telling you to do is “shut up”. Don’t ever let them. Make your voice heard, state your views, and never let the self-appointed censors win.”

Agreed! 100% agreed!!!

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Rashiid Amul Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

#46, JC. That is what I have been saying all along. Make it priced for the masses. Otherwise they just have a niche car. We already have those in the Tesla, Aptera, and so on. Make the Volt under $30K so that everyone can afford it. AND STOP DUMBING IT DOWN!!!!

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RB Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

Thihking about the Tony Posawatz story, I wonder if we are not missing what may be the most important point. The story leads with discussion of when a battery contract is going to be awarded. Well, Mr. Posawatz says, it will be real soon now. Someone from GM has said this at the start of each of the last several months.

Why the delay in such a critical item? Since we are told that all batteries meet specs, presumably the delay is about price. Obviously GM is disappointed with the prices being offered.

So what is GM doing to put pressure on the battery companies? It looks like they are trying out several lines of attack

(1) Delay in awarding the contract, causing the battery companies heartburn, keeping them from focusing on other car companies, and running up their bills

(2) Threating lower production volume, so Mr. Posawatz tells us once again about the slow rollout, which seems to have gone from 10,000 cars/mo to 1000 to (are we at 10 cars per month yet)? Battery companies are smart enough to see that fewer cars means fewer batteries

(3) and now, as a new gambit, the millivolt instead of the Volt, the one with only a fraction of the batteries in the original design. Lower fraction means still fewer batteries. (It’s gone so far that one wonders if, soon, the whole first year of production can be accomplished with the prototype batteries already on hand.)

Also, we know from the Canadian contract and strike that GM has no scruples about saying one thing while intending another. I am wondering how much of all the discussion about Volt versus millivolt, together with normal versus trickle production is really just a backdrop of information and misinformation for the critical negiotiations going on about battery volume, price, and contract clauses.

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pauln Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

“It is a concept being brought to reality because of us, those who have told GM we want them to build this car and move to a world without oil.”

Talk about self-aggrandizement. Yes, there would be no Volt without you. And a world without oil is awaiting us in 2010 because of your heroism! I bow before you.

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Dan Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

I’m with #43 Thomb. Tony from GM didn’t say anything about half the acceleration. He simply said that ‘in the future’ (i.e. after the Volt 40 has gone on sale) GM may try to add another Volt to the line up that is more affordable. Since this occuring after the Volt 40 hits the market, there is no need to worry this is going to cannibalize the Volt 40’s budget.

A123 and LG have been working hard on the 16kwh packs for sometime now. It would be harder to start over with 20 mile packs than it would be to finish the Volt 40. I see no threat to the Volt 40….just another great idea to add more variations of the Volt in the future to get a larger portion of drivers off oil.

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Arch Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

Well the game is getting exciting. We are no longer talking about a dream. We are now talking about a real car with real costs. Being a designer I have always loved to watch what happens when real costs get in the way of a dream. Hang on folks this part can be painful.

Take Care
Arch

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RB Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

#51 Dan said “A123 and LG have been working hard on the 16kwh packs for sometime now. It would be harder to start over with 20 mile packs than it would be to finish the Volt 40.”

Yes, and that very pain for A123 and LG is why bringing it up is such a good negotiating tactic by GM.

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PJK Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

Looks are secondary…. I want the technology!
Form FOLLOWS function.

I’m hoping for a utility version of the Eflex system… plain simple no frills …. get me to work … durable and at a reasonable price.
I’ve had several GM vehicles bought new and look like new after 10 years…
I hope we see the hydrogen fuel cell version soon… and with this same durability.

Thanks CHEVY VOLT CONCEPT for starting the race… you definitely will be remembered as a milestone in automotive history.
Also thanks to the engineers who built the EV1… still the best automobile ever built.

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MetrologyFirst Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 9:29 pm

Sorry Folks. Looks are not secondary. Not in a car. Not for something you will have to pay $30K+ for. I do not believe that MOST Americans are willing to accept a pathetic rolling egg rather than a well styled and attractive machine. If the range is that important or the costs, there are lots of better options. You can buy an Aveo for 14K. The extra $16,000 buys a lot of gas. No…….. for $30,000+, this car better be attractive.

The appliance people might not care, they will drive anything.

Car people won’t. Bill Mitchell and Harley Earl are rolling in their graves these days. I am quite worried about what GM has done to the Volt we all know.

I will not be blinded by the promise of the tech. I still have to live in this thing for 2.5 hrs per day. I will not hold my nose doing it.

Don’t disappoint me GM! Design this car for the masses, not the technology lovers. MOST people care what their car looks like.

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omegaman66 Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

“Also thanks to the engineers who built the EV1… still the best automobile ever built.”

How can a car that costed $80,000 be the best car ever built. It was unaffordable is the whole reason that the project was scrapped.

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omegaman66 Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

RB: “Lower fraction means still fewer batteries”

Not neccessarily. Lower range could mean the same number of batteries but more cars.

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Dan Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

I’m not that worried about what the production car will look like. GM has been doing a good job lately with their styling and there are portions of the concept car that I’m not thrilled about. I think the real car is going to be as nice or better, albeit a bit less wild.

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wwskinn3 Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

Here’s a thought – what if someone else decides to contract with A123 and LG. GM could wind up with no batteries at all. Could happen! GM – lets get a move on!

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Tonka McFly Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Is it being replaced by that diecast toy ?

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1237758920080612

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Grizzly Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

Arch #52

“Well the game is getting exciting. We are no longer talking about a dream. We are now talking about a real car with real costs. Being a designer I have always loved to watch what happens when real costs get in the way of a dream. Hang on folks this part can be painful.”

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The DREAM is being able to plug in to the grid and then drive 40+ miles without using ANY OPEC oil. Even if this child were uglier than sin I don’t believe that wouldn’t stop the effort or the demand. Trust me this car won’t be ugly. Different than the concept….yes and more efficient…? You bet, just understand that production of this vehicle is no easy task, and I’m convinced that GM is up to the task.

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jkh2000 Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

Well here we go. Chevrolet has baited us all and now can come out with some ugly thing that in their minds resembles the Volt Concept. The concept car has been out long enough and has enough of a folowing that they should build it as is and get over it. Those of us who has signed up for one should have some say in the looks and what we want. This is a real chance for GM to have a sporty looking car that says to OPEC,,,,,shove it!! Come on GM do the right thing.

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Tagamet Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

Grizzly said: …and I’m convinced that GM is up to the task.

Me too.

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Arch Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

Grizzly #61

We have No disagreement here. We are at the point where the dream meets the costs. Believe me I understand what it takes to produce a dream. I am not going to give you a lecture I am just going to say I will wait and see where this all ends up. I am not even going to say if it looks good or bad. I am just going to say that a lot of dreams end BAD when the bean counters at GM get ahold of them. Pray for the best my friend.

Take Care
Arch

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Grizzly Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

Arch #64

Praying is fine if that’s what you believe in. Sometimes it just comes down to getting it done. GM’s engineers Vs. Toyota’s ….who’s got the best?? CW would say Toyota, but I’ll disagree….and I’ll predict that you’ll all be surprised! IF I’M wrong, I’ll take readily the heat, but I’ve got no such plans! WATCH!

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ThombDbhomb Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

#44 Terry K
I’ll repeat the quote:

“[Posawatz] said GM would probably opt to ramp up slowly with the first production run of the 400-pound battery packs for the Volt, ‘just to make sure everything is bulletproof.’…GM is designing the Volt to run for 40 miles (64 km) on a lithium-ion battery pack that can be recharged at a standard electric outlet. …In the future, GM could offer a battery pack with a 20-mile electric-only range to bring costs down, Posawatz said, part of an effort to cut the cost of such vehicles by half or more.”

Where does it say the Volt 40 will not happen? It doesn’t. It says the opposite. Where does it say anything about acceleration? It doesn’t. I agree, we have a different opinion. Mine is based on facts and reality. Your opinion seems to be based on hysteria. I’m not censoring you. I am questioning the basis for your outlandish position. Obviously, you can’t confront the facts, so you are using bluster and diversionary tactics. You are making up facts and calling names. I still hear your voice as uninformed, divisive, shrill, and irrational.

#47 Rashiid Amul
So, you’re falling for that tactic? I thought you were smarter. Can you explain to me Terry K’s poition that the Volt 40 has been castrated? Can you explain how Tony Posawatz is singlehandely destroying the Volt program? Or are you going to resort to personal attacks, changing the subject, and/or misinformation? I waiting/baiting. Go ahead – or shut up!

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JSOlsen Says:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

Well I fell in love with the concept, I will have to just make my own electric vehicle, I am building car that with a geed engine design turning an electric motor connected to my new “constant flow transmission” which I design and built. I cant wait forever. All I wanted was the body design. Have a great day, I wish I was home getting this finised. I am still in Iraq. Dang

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Terry Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:21 am

I still think we will get a good looking car. How close it is to the concept remains to be seen. It was certainly sweet looking.

And now the waiting begins…..and I agree, if it’s but ugly I will wait. I still like the serial hybrid concept but there is a limit to how much ugly I am willing to be seen in. Just don’t make it look stupid,

Come on GM, what’s it going to be????!!!!!

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pauln Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:22 am

I’m tryly in awe of the hysteria on this site. Everyone slavishly praises the Volt, then when a second, cheaper 20 mile range version is contemplated by GM, people are calling for the lead executive’s head on a spike! Half the commentators are all worked up about GM emasculating the Volt. Do you folks actually READ? What was said? This site says a lot more about GM/Volt fan boys’ intelligence than I ever wanted to know.

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ThombDbhomb Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:55 am

#69 pauln
To quote Rashiid Amul, “Agreed! 100% agreed!!!”

#44 Terry K (again)
“…when someone accuses you of being “divisive”, what they are really telling you to do is ’shut up’.”

When someone accuses you of being divisive, maybe they think you are divisive. How do you get from that to “shut up?” Like your interpretation of the Volt 40/20 issue, you took things to crazy land. You seem to be getting Bill O’Riled up.

You seem to think I am censoring you. I don’t have that power. You can say any fool thing you want. Go ahead, state your opinion. But, don’t be surprised if someone calls “b)llsh1t” on it.

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Anthony BC Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:39 am

GO VOLT 40!

Show some pics soon GM, the natives are relentless!

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Terry K Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:50 am

Let’s see, according to Thomb, I am now “uninformed, divisive, shrill, irrational, blustery, diversionary, hysterial, outlandish, spreading misinformation, and “not smarter than that”. Did I miss anything ?

Let me make this clear. It’s my opinion. I could be right or wrong, it’s just one possibility. That s that this forum is for. No one, not even Thomb, knows what the future will be for the Volt. We express our opinions. But some like to flame others with whom they disagree.

Here’s what I said “My fear is that the Volt 20 will eclipse the Volt 40’s research budget priorities, and eventually cause the entire Volt 40 program to be shelved, along with the original Volt body prototype. The Volt 20 could possible fail when Toyota unveils their Lithium powered Prius with even more range. The Volt 40 was a game changer – I hate to see it end up it the dust bin of history.”

Name calling doesn’t help anyone, it was used by the Nazi’s to dehumanize the Jews, which made killing them easier to do.

Let’s not stoop to name calling in this forum. Rashiid Amul made the mistake of agreeing with me, and you flamed him, too ! We are all here because we love the Volt, and we support it. We don’t want to see the Volt disappear. If you disagree with me, just state your reasons. Leave the name calling on the playground with the children. We’re adults here (I hope) – we’re here to debate ideas in the forum Lyle has so generously provided. Let’s keep it that way.

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Dan Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:38 am

@ Terry: Your view of the Volt 20 possibility is overly (unjustifiably?) negative. All this talk about the Volt 40 being shelved eventually seems like quite a negative and worst case scenario interpretation.

The reality is the Volt 40 is coming out….and once it does GM is going to have a major winner on their hands. IMO, future versions are going to have more range, not less.

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Rashiid Amul Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:57 am

ThombDbhomb #66, I was commenting on Terry K’s comment about the self-appointed censors of this site. That is all.

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RB Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 6:45 am

57 omegaman66 — yes, you are right that lower range could mean the same number of batteries but more cars Even so I think Mr Posawatz was talking to battery companies primarily. The Posawatz threat, implied but not actually said, is “give us the right price on these batteries, guys, because we’ve got some design possibilities up our sleeve that will cut the use of your product in half, and maybe more.”

Although Mr Posawatz’s comments have been extremely divisive here in the VoltNation, I think we are merely “collateral damage” in a negotiation between experienced and heavyweight corporations, all with a lot at stake.

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RB Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 6:54 am

#73 Dan noted that “The reality is the Volt 40 is coming out….and once it does GM is going to have a major winner on their hands. IMO, future versions are going to have more range, not less.”

Well, not entirely. The 2010-2011 reality as best we can discern it is that the Volt40 is coming out as a high-priced low-volume car, apparently available in just a few places. [Apparently it will be about 800 cars a month (as compared to 5000 dealers nationwide), mostly headed for CA and DC, at about $50K each.] What happens after that is unknown.

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akojim Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:00 am

That concept Volt sure was a pretty car! It’s reassuring to know the actual production Volt with a modified front, top, sides and rear will still have “roughly the same length and width”

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Murray Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:16 am

If the concept desing is officially toast….which I knew was inevitable, concept designs hardly ever make it to production, most especially here in the good old USA.
If this great design is offically dead, I think you’ve got a quick edit to the page banner to make there Lyle.

Maybe replace the concept image with a white silhouette, surrounded by a black dashed line with the words….”Volt Image Goes Here”

I’m going to “pour one out” in rememberence (later of course)

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AME Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:54 am

The concept made we actually want a hybrid just because if they look that cool, awesome!

Just read where Honda is starting production of a hydrogen-electric hybrid to be sold in CA. It looks like a standard Honda small 4 door. Not that the car can filled up easily but the bar just got raised.

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William Perry Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 8:28 am

The Volt is a great looking car and I plan to buy one if the new one
looks as good . I have a Vette and it averages 22 mpg. I am keeping that and may buy the 2009 if its millage is as good as the one I own.The Volt will replace the Silverado which is wonderful but loves gas
and averages 14.8 mpg. If you make something that looks like the ugly
duckling Prius then you can keep it. Bill Perry

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Tagamet Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 8:47 am

Terry K @ 72

Who are you , and what did you do with Terry K (g). Seriously, *that* post is one most of view as one of the Golden Rules in this forum. Reasoned debate is great, as is the totally endless stream of speculation and opinion. In large part, that’s pretty much all we CAN do, but namecalling is reserved for the playground (at Ford- evil grin). The ironic part here is that I totally agree with Thomb, who is known here as a consistently, reasoned voice. Just like Statik is a consistently reasoned negative view and I am the “unfair, unbalanced, Unmedicated” Volt Fanboy.
Be well,
Tag

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Patrick Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:02 am

For those that might be interested, it will be in Montreal next week:

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/owners/chevrolet/motion/features/volt

So if this says the truth and that the next public showing will be the REAL Volt, well it will be in Montreal in about 10 days people!
I will be there with my Volt Nation T-Shirt for sure!

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Nelson Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:13 am

I hope GM is smart enough to auction the car off to a collector. Bid starting at $400 million. Proceeds to help offset the cost of the production Volt.

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RB Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:44 am

#82 Patrick — Thanks for the link. As the link refers specifically to the concept car, it is unclear what will really appear. Keep us posted.

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Ryan Plut Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:52 am

#37 Rockyroad:
I have a Chrysler now, and it’s a piece of $h!+… 2000 Concorde LXi.
I want a Volt so I can get rid of this. (My window motors quit. Twice! I no longer get them repaired. The drivers window track cracked in half. The front rotors warped at 30,000. There are squeaks and rattles all over the dashboard. )

Go GM GO!!!

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noel park Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:46 am

#12 Rashiid Amul:

Thank you for focusing us on what is important in the world. It occurred to me on Fathers Day that we had better get busy and do our best to change the course of our great country, and thus the world. If we do not, it will be our children and grandchildren who will pay the price for the sins of the fathers (aka us).

#13 Statik:

I guess that the old saw “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” holds true here. Frankly, I always thought that the prototype was a bit over the top, and clearly aerodynamically weak. I’m an engineer, with all that such implies, according to my wife and others. So you can take my comments for what they’re worth. But I think that the car can only benefit from extensive wind tunnel work, and that it will indeed be better looking in my eye.

I don’t want to hurt your feelings, but I have a much more positive view of your comments than some others may. Or maybe they are just teasing. Anyway, I think that is good to remind ourselves, and GM, that they are indeed in an extremely perilous position. It reminds me of someone sliding toward the cliff with their fingernails leaving little tracks in the dirt.

If they don’t get some much more fuel efficient products to the marketplace, sooner rather than later, I can certainly picture them running out of cash and disappearing. I have said here before that the Volt is an existential issue for GM. I’m not kidding. So it’s sort of shorthand for your much more learned comments when I say:

Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.

Plus, I’m not too worried about your kids either.

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DaveP Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

I’m betting that they have largely just sanded off the front corners and dropped the plexiglass top. Since I like sleeker cars, anyway, I’m cool with that. Didn’t Lutz say at one point they were going to try to keep the drop wiindow look?
Also, I hope they keep the taillights. I like those outline lights. In my opinion the back end is more important than the front since that’s all people will be seeing of mine.

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ug Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

I’m really amazed that with gas headed towards $5 a gallon that people are saying stuff like they will refuse to buy a Volt just because it doesn’t come out with grotesquely oversized wheels, a chop-top, and an overly long hood. If you want that kind of look, buy a Dodge Magnum and be happy to filler er up for $7+ a gallon when the Volt starts rolling off the assembly line.

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ThombDbhomb Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

#72 Terry K
Here’s what you also said, “Ya gotta admit, it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy, the guy (Tony Posawitz) who castrated our beloved Volt 40, and turned it into a glorified golf cart.”

If you are going to speak your mind, I hope you find it fIrst. Out of all the adjectives I used (uninformed, divisive, shrill, irrational, blustery, diversionary, hysterial, outlandish, spreading misinformation, and “not smarter than that”), which one do you dispute?

Uninformed – Lyle had to follow up this post with one that corrects your misinformation (see “misinformed”)

Divisive – Let’s all gang up on Tony! Who’s with me?

I could go on…

My “name-calling” is my opinion. Since you encouraged (in your comment #44) people to
“Make your voice heard, state your views…,” you can’t possibly be advocating against me stating my opinion, could you? That would be inconsistent.

Dehumanizing Tony Posawatz and unjustifyably rallying a mob to go after him seems more childish than anything I did. At least I can use your statements to support my case. I still haven’t heard you justify your statements about a castrated Volt 40 and “evil” Tony. You seem to be avoiding those topics. This is a debate forum. People may challenge you. You defend challenges using logic and data, not by changing the subject. State your opinion and expect that somebody might debate you. I may disagree with a lot of people here. We may not end up flipping a person. That is ok – we can agree to disagree. As long people are reasonable, I don’t have a problem with them.

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PhoenixSUT Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

GM better get busy. Has anyone seen the Phoenix SUT ? It’s available NOW. Uses Li-Ion battery, 130 mile range, can fully charge in 10 minutes, 95mph and cost $48K. And it looks awesome. See it at the link below:

http://tinyurl.com/46sklt

This is a very nice fully electric Sport Truck, made in Kalifornia, and on the road NOW.

Did I mention, that it is available NOW.

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john meschede Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Terry K, Thank you for the scenario from your #35 post. I love this forum because EVERYONE gets to speak their mind. These discussions help to hone the Volt in what I hope to be, the biggest mass produced electic car in history. We all fear an ugly Volt, not just because its looks could kill sales, but also it would solidify the public prejuidice that all environmentally friendly vehicles are weird looking(See Prius). I hope everyone continues to keep throwing out their opinions and info. This is not only informative, but sure beats prime time TV.

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Terry K Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

91# john meschede – Thanks. Not eveyone appreciates my over-the-top sense of humor that sometimes sneaks in. I guess it comes from too much Howard Stern, my politically-incorrect hero. Yeah, I have Sirius – I had to, when Howard moved to Sirius.

You shouldn’t mention my name here, though – you might get called a doo-doo head, or (gasp) worse ! I’m divisive, you know. (grin)

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ThombDbhomb Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

#92 Terry K
I laugh at Stern also. Peace.

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masterplanner Says:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

Its the looks, stupid.
Its the efficiency, stupid.
Its the range, stupid.
Its the looks.

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Paul Conley Says:
June 17th, 2008 at 10:40 am

Needs a “little” aero refinement.
Looks a “bit” too much like an old muscle car.
I think the Honda design team has a direction worth looking at.
Roofline needs to raise 2 inches.
I like the proportion of the wheels to the body.
Open the rear up for easy loading.
Open roof concept.
You could sell $$$$$$$$$$$$$ millions of these.

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Jeff Says:
June 17th, 2008 at 11:39 am

How about a WAGON option for families?

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nasaman Says:
June 17th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

96 Jeff……
Regarding wanting an E-Flex station wagon, as I’ve posted on another thread, GM has now released the Saturn 2 Mode hybrid VUE (a “tall” station wagon) for production this fall as a 2009 model. It should offer a greater improvement in overall mileage (vs the standard VUE) than a single mode hybrid (like Prius) because the first mode is optimized for city driving & the second mode for highway driving. The VUE has two 74HP electric motors (148HP total) and its gas engine is essentially the same 3.6L V6 used in the CTS Cadillac. So this hybrid should have TONS of hauling/pulling power, but its gas mileage is said to be comparable to that of a 4-cylinder Camry.

This new 2 Mode compact/crossover SUV is also the basis for GM’s other plug-in, the plug-in VUE, due out in the fall of 2010 along with the Volt and it is reportedly already in road testing. As a plug-in, GM will greatly increase the VUE’s Li-Ion battery size and optimize its control algorithms for maximum efficiency & EV-only range, city & hwy. They are promising an EV-only (AER) range of >10 miles.*

*How MUCH greater than 10 miles is unknown; however, as some here may know, I’m lobbying GM for a version with 35-40 miles AER comparable to that for the Volt

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Jim I Says:
June 18th, 2008 at 1:37 am

I think you guys are starting to take yourselves a bit too seriously…

When the Volt is finally released, is when we will make our decisions to buy it or skip it. Or if gasoline has gone up in price to $10.00/gal, we may just have to take what is released, whether or not it is what we really want………..

There are about a half dozen reasons that have become the “hot buttons”. Exterior style, interior style / size, performance, EV range, available options, and of course, pricing.

Until we have all the real information available, which may not be until just before the release of the Volt, arguing over unknown details is kind of silly, don’t you think?

I remember saying that “it will be a long 34 months”. Well, we are down to 29 months, and it seems to be even longer now, than it was then!

NOTE TO GM: It is time to release something real for us to talk about!!!! Since you seem to be unwilling to release pictures of the exterior, how about some pictures of the interior & dashboard layout? That could keep us going here for months!?!?!?!?!

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deeks Says:
June 18th, 2008 at 6:56 am

GM sucks, this is just hot air. Toyota Rules!

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Jim Says:
June 21st, 2008 at 9:48 am

In hopes the Volt will stay pretty much the same LOOKS ! ! And hope the price comes down to my level.

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vic Says:
August 14th, 2008 at 12:16 am

awaiting the return of the Volt
can it catch up with the Prius from 10 yrs ago

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Norm Says:
August 14th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

I think there will be plenty of buyers if lives up to its mpg specs and is priced right . What’s more impotant, the begining of the end of the enery crisis or a pretty face?

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Cano Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 7:57 am

GM would have been FAR better off to…

1. Reduce the electric range from 40 to 20 miles.
2. Reduce the price to 30,000.
3. Keep the concept body style.

Few will buy an expensive 40,000 dollar car that has no distinctive style. The concept is one of the most beautiful ever designed, and would have gone down in history as a Chevy classic!

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Craig Potter Says:
September 16th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

This is another example of American Executives not having the Kahunas to go with a winner. They dumbed it down to mailstream rather than setting a precetent. It would have been a top seller in America for GM, but they seem to be satisfied with thier “global share”. They don’t care about being top dog in the US. I have always had a GM product in my garage. Perhaps this will sway me to german or japanese. I really wanted a Volt. So did my wife, one of few things we agree upon. What happen to loyalty. It works both ways. I hate the “NEW” Volt. You would be hard presses to pick it out of a line-up of small economy cars today. General Motors screw up, America’s loss.

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Randy Brown Says:
September 21st, 2008 at 6:26 pm

I was ready to buy a new volt when it comes out because of its awsome looks. But after seeing the production model, no thanks, you really screwed up GM. It looks like any other 4 seat sedan on the road. You had a winner, but not now.

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dan Says:
September 23rd, 2008 at 6:29 pm

you did screw up. the new look is nothing like the concept. make a car for those of us (me) that want a car for the looks and still gets great milage. bring the concept back! if you bring it back by 2010, i’ll buy it.

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RLBradley Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

Yup, they did it again. GM is killing the cool concept car and replacing it with a hohummer. How did we get from the “sleek muscular” Volt concept to the Cobalt-with-a-battery Volt production version?!? Why does GM always do this? Is it some weird corporate death wish or something? Yes, looks do matter. It’s called “appeal”. And the new Volt production version ain’t got it. Talk about a buzzkill. Oh well, I’ve come to expect it from GM. Now, where did I put that Toyota brochure?

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RLBradley Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

BTW – if you want a cool electric car that gets 240+ miles per charge check out Tesla Motors Roadster (http://www.teslamotors.com/). Pricey, but very cool. Too bad a company with the resources to launch such a product without the need to pass on all R&D up front didn’t do it. Might have been able to price it like … ohhhhh, say, a Corvette.

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Andy Says:
December 19th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

I love the idea of GM making such a cool car, but I think the Prius is much better looking than this concept car. And the sales of the prius are strong. I dont know why the square corner/ new caddy version look for gm. In my opinion, think rounded and smooth. I want to love GM and make my next car a gm hybrid or a volt, but I dont like these square lines.

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