Comments on: GM Says Goodbye to Oil and Hello to Hydrogen http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/11/gm-says-goodbye-to-oil-and-hello-to-hydrogen/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:18:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Michael Robinson http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/11/gm-says-goodbye-to-oil-and-hello-to-hydrogen/#comment-103149 Michael Robinson Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:30:39 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1111#comment-103149 Hydrogen does not need to be transported as pure hydrogen, in fact it is inefficient and possibly dangerous to do so. There are chemical hydride slurry and other designer compounds that can be used. Chemical batteries have range limitations that are not going to be overcome. EV's without a range extender, gas in the absence of a fuel cell, are not practical and never will be. Hydrogen pipelines can be built and 100s of miles of pipeline already exist. These pipelines are carbon fiber with a layer of aluminum and an outer layer skin over the aluminum. These pipelines will cost $500k a mile, but consider what a mile of Interstate freeway costs. You need an area the size of Texas using algae to produce enough bio-diesel to displace petro diesel. More gas is used, so I shudder to think how much land it would take to replace the gasoline. At the end of the day, biofuels pollute and are a carbon dioxide source. It is better to use hydrogen as a fuel even if you combust it. Hydrogen carrying compounds that can be easily reformed to produce 99.9999% pure hydrogen gas are 2, not 10 years away from commercialization. The Hindenburg disaster was a diesel/solid rocket fuel fire due to a design mistake. The skin of the Hindenburg was solid rocket fuel which is far more volatile than hydrogen. There is enough renewable energy available if it is tapped effectively to power the world and produce hydrogen. Electrolysis and reformation of natural gas are not the only ways that exist to get hydrogen. Hydrogen does not need to be transported as pure hydrogen,
in fact it is inefficient and possibly dangerous to do so.

There are chemical hydride slurry and other designer compounds
that can be used. Chemical batteries have range limitations that
are not going to be overcome. EV’s without a range extender,
gas in the absence of a fuel cell, are not practical and never will
be.

Hydrogen pipelines can be built and 100s of miles of pipeline already exist. These pipelines are carbon fiber with a layer of aluminum and an outer layer skin over the aluminum. These
pipelines will cost $500k a mile, but consider what a mile of
Interstate freeway costs.

You need an area the size of Texas using algae to produce
enough bio-diesel to displace petro diesel. More gas is used,
so I shudder to think how much land it would take to replace
the gasoline. At the end of the day, biofuels pollute and are
a carbon dioxide source. It is better to use hydrogen as a
fuel even if you combust it.

Hydrogen carrying compounds that can be easily reformed to
produce 99.9999% pure hydrogen gas are 2, not 10 years away
from commercialization.

The Hindenburg disaster was a diesel/solid rocket fuel fire due
to a design mistake. The skin of the Hindenburg was solid
rocket fuel which is far more volatile than hydrogen.

There is enough renewable energy available if it is tapped effectively to power the world and produce hydrogen.

Electrolysis and reformation of natural gas are not the only
ways that exist to get hydrogen.

]]> By: ABBEY SOMAIA http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/11/gm-says-goodbye-to-oil-and-hello-to-hydrogen/#comment-87086 ABBEY SOMAIA Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:38:24 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1111#comment-87086 Hello Sir/Ma, I am Mrs. Kieran Somalia, CEO/MD of ABBEY NATIONAL PLC.I here by write to solicit your assistance regarding a certain floating funds which is to the tune of (1998, 000,000.00 Pounds) in this A/C 5005874BS1000 since 2000 after the death of the true owner of the funds Late Mr. Morris Thompson, an American who was a STAFF IN MY COMPANY, and unfortunately lost his life in the plane crash of Alaska Airlines Flight 261 which crashed on January 31st 2000, including his wife and only daughter. You can read more about the crash on visiting these sites below: http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/01/alaska.airlines.list http://www.nativefederation.org/history/people/mThompson.html In view of the foregoing, you are therefore informed to contact the WORLD BANK ASSISTED PROJECT for more information with the details below: Interested person/persons who is RELATED/WILLING to execute this transaction with genuine intention should contact the WORLD BANK ASSISTED PROJECT . NOTE all interested person or group of persons is expected to contact the below office for more enquiries: WORLD BANK DEPARTMENT OF ASSISTED PROJECT UNITED KINGDOM OFFICE. Email:info@assistedproject.com REV RECHARD TINA [MRS] GENERAL CO ORDINATOR FOR Abbey National plc Registered Office: Abbey National House, 2 Triton Square Regent's Place London, NW1 3AN, United Kingdom. Email; k.somaia@yahoo.co.uk www.abbey.com Hello Sir/Ma,
I am Mrs. Kieran Somalia, CEO/MD of ABBEY NATIONAL PLC.I here by write to solicit your assistance regarding a certain floating funds which is to the tune of (1998, 000,000.00 Pounds) in this A/C 5005874BS1000 since 2000 after the death of the true owner of the funds Late Mr. Morris Thompson, an American who was a STAFF IN MY COMPANY, and unfortunately lost his life in the plane crash of Alaska Airlines Flight 261 which crashed on January 31st 2000, including his wife and only daughter. You can read more about the crash on visiting these sites below:

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/01/alaska.airlines.list http://www.nativefederation.org/history/people/mThompson.html

In view of the foregoing, you are therefore informed to contact the WORLD BANK ASSISTED PROJECT for more information with the details below: Interested person/persons who is RELATED/WILLING to execute this transaction with genuine intention should contact the WORLD BANK ASSISTED PROJECT .

NOTE all interested person or group of persons is expected to contact the below office for more enquiries:
WORLD BANK DEPARTMENT OF ASSISTED PROJECT UNITED KINGDOM OFFICE.
Email:info@assistedproject.com

REV RECHARD TINA [MRS]
GENERAL CO ORDINATOR
FOR
Abbey National plc
Registered Office: Abbey National House,
2 Triton Square Regent’s Place
London, NW1 3AN, United Kingdom.
Email; k.somaia@yahoo.co.uk
http://www.abbey.com

]]> By: HarryR http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/11/gm-says-goodbye-to-oil-and-hello-to-hydrogen/#comment-60416 HarryR Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:25:43 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1111#comment-60416 There are nearly 200 hydrogen refueling stations around the nation already, though most are privately owned for specific fleets of vehicles. Many, however, are availble for refueling providing arrangements are made. BMW and Ford, among others, are deploying hydrogen fueled internal combustion engines today, Ford for several years now in test fleets. So the issues of fuel cells is separate from those of hydrogen. The issue with natural gas is that we are already importing natural gas, which is expected to increase, despite T. Boone Pickens. Hydrogen as a fuel can be entirely domestically produced, from a variety of methods. Natural gas as a source is only one. Electricily is another. A third method is biologically as some scientists have discovered that certain small celled creatures give off hydrogen naturally. In any event, the attraction of hydrogen is directly related to the limitations of batteries. Even if batteries are developed to give ranges of upwards of 200 miles, the recharging time is still expected to be significantly longer that a typical refueling stop. Hydrogen is nearly a direct substitue for gasoline, with similar in complexity issues to the handling of gasoline. Some safety experts have stated that hydrogen is even safer in an accident than gasoline as it will rapidly disperse into the atmosphere if the much more robust tank is breached while gasoline leaks out onto the ground to fuel a fire. Hydrogen is an energy storage medium, essentially storing energy in a more efficient manner than batteries. The principal issue is the cost of production, which is related to the cost of electricity, if one wants to avoid using natural gas as a source. With the development of huge solar energy plants in the southwest producing cheap electricity, that electricity could be used to produce hydrogen very cheaply. Futher, home hydrogen production units the size of large refrigerators, using natural gas, have been developed that will produce enough hydrogen in 24 hours to fill a typical auto fuel tank. All the elements of converting from gasoline to hydrogen as a fuel are developed and they are being deployed. California is leading the nation in the development of a hydrogen highway, running the length of the State, such that an owner of a hydrogen fueled car, including the Volt, could freely travel anywhere in the State. That program could be extended to the Interstate highway system so that owners of hydrogen fueled vehicles could travel between hydrogen urban centers across the nation. The first step to that end would be turnpikes with their dedicated service centers could be fitted with hydrogen dispensing kiosks. The point is that hydrogen is already being deployed as a fuel for fleets of vehicles in isolated urban areas in North America. All the major technical issues have been worked out. It is just a matter of reaching a critical mass of refueling stations. GM, BMW, Ford, Honda, California & the Federal Government working together could get the nation to critcal mass relatively shortly. There are nearly 200 hydrogen refueling stations around the nation already, though most are privately owned for specific fleets of vehicles. Many, however, are availble for refueling providing arrangements are made. BMW and Ford, among others, are deploying hydrogen fueled internal combustion engines today, Ford for several years now in test fleets. So the issues of fuel cells is separate from those of hydrogen. The issue with natural gas is that we are already importing natural gas, which is expected to increase, despite T. Boone Pickens. Hydrogen as a fuel can be entirely domestically produced, from a variety of methods. Natural gas as a source is only one. Electricily is another. A third method is biologically as some scientists have discovered that certain small celled creatures give off hydrogen naturally. In any event, the attraction of hydrogen is directly related to the limitations of batteries. Even if batteries are developed to give ranges of upwards of 200 miles, the recharging time is still expected to be significantly longer that a typical refueling stop. Hydrogen is nearly a direct substitue for gasoline, with similar in complexity issues to the handling of gasoline. Some safety experts have stated that hydrogen is even safer in an accident than gasoline as it will rapidly disperse into the atmosphere if the much more robust tank is breached while gasoline leaks out onto the ground to fuel a fire. Hydrogen is an energy storage medium, essentially storing energy in a more efficient manner than batteries. The principal issue is the cost of production, which is related to the cost of electricity, if one wants to avoid using natural gas as a source. With the development of huge solar energy plants in the southwest producing cheap electricity, that electricity could be used to produce hydrogen very cheaply. Futher, home hydrogen production units the size of large refrigerators, using natural gas, have been developed that will produce enough hydrogen in 24 hours to fill a typical auto fuel tank. All the elements of converting from gasoline to hydrogen as a fuel are developed and they are being deployed. California is leading the nation in the development of a hydrogen highway, running the length of the State, such that an owner of a hydrogen fueled car, including the Volt, could freely travel anywhere in the State. That program could be extended to the Interstate highway system so that owners of hydrogen fueled vehicles could travel between hydrogen urban centers across the nation. The first step to that end would be turnpikes with their dedicated service centers could be fitted with hydrogen dispensing kiosks. The point is that hydrogen is already being deployed as a fuel for fleets of vehicles in isolated urban areas in North America. All the major technical issues have been worked out. It is just a matter of reaching a critical mass of refueling stations. GM, BMW, Ford, Honda, California & the Federal Government working together could get the nation to critcal mass relatively shortly.

]]> By: Jim Ahlstrom http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/11/gm-says-goodbye-to-oil-and-hello-to-hydrogen/#comment-48273 Jim Ahlstrom Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:25:06 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1111#comment-48273 GM, Ford, Honda and other makers of fuel cell cars can jump start the transition from oil to hydrogen by collaborating with the likes of Linda and Air products to place portable hydrogen fueling stations at selected dealerships selling the FC car. Nothing wrong with selling the car and then having the customer return to the dealership for his refill. Once big oil sees the automakers suddenly in the refueling busines, they'll follow suit. You don't initially need a massive infrastructure since the portable hydrogen refueling stations can be located on site on the bed of a flat bed truck or set down on the prmises on a pallet and be dispensing hydrogen in 24 hours!. Natural gas or even solar can be initial start up factor. In fact, Honda in collaboration with Plug Power already has a home hydrogen generating unit that can refill the car overnight in the garage and have enough capacity to fuel an in-house fuel cell supplying the home with electricity and hot water. GM, Ford, Honda and other makers of fuel cell cars can jump start the transition from oil to hydrogen by collaborating with the likes of Linda and Air products to place portable hydrogen fueling stations at selected dealerships selling the FC car. Nothing wrong with selling the car and then having the customer return to the dealership for his refill. Once big oil sees the automakers suddenly in the refueling busines, they’ll follow suit. You don’t initially need a massive infrastructure since the portable hydrogen refueling stations can be located on site on the bed of a flat bed truck or set down on the prmises on a pallet and be dispensing hydrogen in 24 hours!. Natural gas or even solar can be initial start up factor. In fact, Honda in collaboration with Plug Power already has a home hydrogen generating unit that can refill the car overnight in the garage and have enough capacity to fuel an in-house fuel cell supplying the home with electricity and hot water.

]]> By: Hans http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/11/gm-says-goodbye-to-oil-and-hello-to-hydrogen/#comment-47752 Hans Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:34:23 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1111#comment-47752 The ad was supposed to air today June 22. Has anyone seen it? If so, where? Thanks, Hans The ad was supposed to air today June 22. Has anyone seen it? If so, where?
Thanks, Hans

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