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]]> By: Tagamet http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/09/this-history-of-the-chevy-volt-have-they-made-a-huge-mistake/#comment-46856 Tagamet Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:06:15 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1110#comment-46856 Welcome to all the new posters. Tag Welcome to all the new posters.
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]]> By: GM = BS http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/09/this-history-of-the-chevy-volt-have-they-made-a-huge-mistake/#comment-46853 GM = BS Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:56:55 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1110#comment-46853 I will also be giving the middle finger to oil sheiks as well as greed American auto companies by buying a plug-in electric from a proven innovator such as honda and toyota with decades in research and development, instead of govt and taxpayer subsidized hype driven "volt" which will crash and burn like the ev-1...the purposeful publicity stunt will attract investors with money to burn, which is exactly what gm will do with it, it will go up in smoke...the underbody will, according to current schedule, only be tested for eight weeks instead of the usual one year...everything is hectic and rushed precisely because GM did not have any balls previously and just wanted to capitalize on selling as many 10 mpg hummers as possible and now want to reinvent themselves.....it is a marketing trick, a huge blunder....they should just continue trying to pay their retirees's health care instead...I am sick of govt. trying to manipulate people..they should show the gm car right after the 20 minute national guard propaganda lie....every time I go to the movies...my god, Americans are so gullible.....gm will probably sell you a flying car next.....or if you buy a gm car now, the vice chair lutz will let you fly one of his planes, or twenty motorcycles or thirty cars...yes, he is really environmentally responsible...he also states publicly "global warming is a hoax"......just the man to lead gm's "green" revolution......will gm still sell twenty year old technology to the chinese like they do now in their new "green" quest???? I am guessing, NOT!!! I will also be giving the middle finger to oil sheiks as well as greed American auto companies by buying a plug-in electric from a proven innovator such as honda and toyota with decades in research and development, instead of govt and taxpayer subsidized hype driven “volt” which will crash and burn like the ev-1…the purposeful publicity stunt will attract investors with money to burn, which is exactly what gm will do with it, it will go up in smoke…the underbody will, according to current schedule, only be tested for eight weeks instead of the usual one year…everything is hectic and rushed precisely because GM did not have any balls previously and just wanted to capitalize on selling as many 10 mpg hummers as possible and now want to reinvent themselves…..it is a marketing trick, a huge blunder….they should just continue trying to pay their retirees’s health care instead…I am sick of govt. trying to manipulate people..they should show the gm car right after the 20 minute national guard propaganda lie….every time I go to the movies…my god, Americans are so gullible…..gm will probably sell you a flying car next…..or if you buy a gm car now, the vice chair lutz will let you fly one of his planes, or twenty motorcycles or thirty cars…yes, he is really environmentally responsible…he also states publicly “global warming is a hoax”……just the man to lead gm’s “green” revolution……will gm still sell twenty year old technology to the chinese like they do now in their new “green” quest???? I am guessing, NOT!!!

]]> By: newbie http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/09/this-history-of-the-chevy-volt-have-they-made-a-huge-mistake/#comment-46451 newbie Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:04:43 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1110#comment-46451 I was only marginally aware of the Volt until I read Rauch's article. He's right in saying that if history is any indication, the Volt will fail. GM's competitors are completely justified in saying they're making a huge mistake. There is every reason to believe that they are. Because of quality issues and bad mileage, I myself have sworn that I am currently driving my last-ever American car. But now I'm taking that back. I want a Volt. I want to give the middle finger to the despots in the Gulf. And to the domestic oil barons who haven't built a new refinery in 30 years. And I also want to know that American industry is capable of bringing this kind of product to market and making it sell. If GM can beat the odds with the Volt, it will prove many more things are possible -- in the auto industry and elsewhere, as well. Put this car in a showroom, Bob. I'll buy one. I was only marginally aware of the Volt until I read Rauch’s article.

He’s right in saying that if history is any indication, the Volt will fail. GM’s competitors are completely justified in saying they’re making a huge mistake. There is every reason to believe that they are. Because of quality issues and bad mileage, I myself have sworn that I am currently driving my last-ever American car.

But now I’m taking that back. I want a Volt.

I want to give the middle finger to the despots in the Gulf. And to the domestic oil barons who haven’t built a new refinery in 30 years. And I also want to know that American industry is capable of bringing this kind of product to market and making it sell. If GM can beat the odds with the Volt, it will prove many more things are possible — in the auto industry and elsewhere, as well.

Put this car in a showroom, Bob. I’ll buy one.

]]> By: Sgt Sak http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/09/this-history-of-the-chevy-volt-have-they-made-a-huge-mistake/#comment-46314 Sgt Sak Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:30:21 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1110#comment-46314 $4.00 a gallon gas? If you think that is the price you pay then you are naive. Divide the annual cost of the war budgets b the number of gallons of fuel America uses annually and add it to the cost of each gallon. 180billion gallons of gas and diesel used annually. 380billion to run just the Iraq war annually, does not include the cost of treating returning vets or interest paid to the entities we are borrowing the money from to run the war. $4.25 a gallon paid at pump. $2.71 added for the war. $6.96 is the low estimate of the true cost. I don't know what disturbs me more? That I have been lied to for years about EV tech or that my fellow Americans would rather send our young men and women off to die than drive smaller more energy efficient cars. Regards Sgt Sak US Army (ret) $4.00 a gallon gas? If you think that is the price you pay then you are naive. Divide the annual cost of the war budgets b the number of gallons of fuel America uses annually and add it to the cost of each gallon.
180billion gallons of gas and diesel used annually.
380billion to run just the Iraq war annually, does not include the cost of treating returning vets or interest paid to the entities we are borrowing the money from to run the war.
$4.25 a gallon paid at pump.
$2.71 added for the war.
$6.96 is the low estimate of the true cost.
I don’t know what disturbs me more? That I have been lied to for years about EV tech or that my fellow Americans would rather send our young men and women off to die than drive smaller more energy efficient cars.
Regards
Sgt Sak
US Army (ret)

]]> By: Mark http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/09/this-history-of-the-chevy-volt-have-they-made-a-huge-mistake/#comment-46187 Mark Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:04:56 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1110#comment-46187 Why would anyone even doubt that GM can make this concept work? ALL Americans should be standing firmly behind GM and any other American company that attempts to think outside the box. The US government should put OUR money behind this project but that would cost them(us) billions in gas taxes. Sooner or later when this Volt takes off the government will find a way to tax this too. Might as well back GM and find another way to tax the hell out of us but at least the air will be cleaner and the dependency on oil will be history. Why would anyone even doubt that GM can make this concept work? ALL Americans should be standing firmly behind GM and any other American company that attempts to think outside the box. The US government should put OUR money behind this project but that would cost them(us) billions in gas taxes. Sooner or later when this Volt takes off the government will find a way to tax this too. Might as well back GM and find another way to tax the hell out of us but at least the air will be cleaner and the dependency on oil will be history.

]]> By: Narg http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/09/this-history-of-the-chevy-volt-have-they-made-a-huge-mistake/#comment-45966 Narg Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:15:29 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1110#comment-45966 Personally, I think that GM should extend an "olive branch" to the previous EV1 drivers that were let down by their snafu. Let them have first choice of the Volt, at an extreme discount. Very extreme discount. (I'd say free, but don't think that would be best...) Wasn't there only a few hundred anyway? I'm sure only 1/2 would even bother, if that many. But it would make a very lasting impression and is advertising you just can't pay enough for... Personally, I think that GM should extend an “olive branch” to the previous EV1 drivers that were let down by their snafu. Let them have first choice of the Volt, at an extreme discount. Very extreme discount. (I’d say free, but don’t think that would be best…) Wasn’t there only a few hundred anyway? I’m sure only 1/2 would even bother, if that many. But it would make a very lasting impression and is advertising you just can’t pay enough for…

]]> By: Kevin http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/09/this-history-of-the-chevy-volt-have-they-made-a-huge-mistake/#comment-45754 Kevin Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:58:58 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1110#comment-45754 Yeah yeah , gm is making the wrong choice?? Go to hell when they realize that this car is a success it will be to late . There will be thousands upon thousands having to wait 6 months for a car . The only thing that i am worried about is that the market for 2010 eclectic cars is big and growing , the Detroit auto show and the jacob javis center auto show will be something to see because there will be so much new technology out Yeah yeah , gm is making the wrong choice?? Go to hell when they realize that this car is a success it will be to late . There will be thousands upon thousands having to wait 6 months for a car . The only thing that i am worried about is that the market for 2010 eclectic cars is big and growing , the Detroit auto show and the jacob javis center auto show will be something to see because there will be so much new technology out

]]> By: mien green http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/09/this-history-of-the-chevy-volt-have-they-made-a-huge-mistake/#comment-45747 mien green Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:30:02 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1110#comment-45747 87 Dave B & 99 Terry It now appears that the government will step in and help fund the PHEV/Volt effort. http://www.doe.gov/news/6337.htm 87 Dave B & 99 Terry

It now appears that the government will step in and help fund the PHEV/Volt effort.

http://www.doe.gov/news/6337.htm

]]> By: doggydogworld http://gm-volt.com/2008/06/09/this-history-of-the-chevy-volt-have-they-made-a-huge-mistake/#comment-45657 doggydogworld Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:56:12 +0000 http://gm-volt.com/?p=1110#comment-45657 #123 Statik http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/05/the-battery-pac.html Mitsubishi's graph shows battery sag on a 3% grade at 62 mph. Long freeway grades in the Western US are 6%. At max power the battery and 47 kW motor can maintain speed at 6%, but note max battery power is quoted for a "60 sec pulse". IMHO the pack is not spec'd to sustain max power up a long grade of 15-20 miles (4500-6500 ft elevation gain). And even if the battery could handle it, you'd be out of juice by mile 16 assuming you start at 20% DoD. I don't consider this to be a fatal shortcoming. The i-Miev is a city car and the term "highway capable" in this case means city highways. Unlike the Volt, Prius, etc. this car is not meant to go out and conquer the wide-open spaces of the Western US. <i>Li-Ion batteries is the hold up here…Mitsu’s factory is only expected to be able to pump out 2,000 next year… It’s nice to seem them not gouge people....</i> Who says they won't gouge? How do you propose they allocate 2000 cars amongst 20,000 or so hopeful buyers? I guess instead of selling to the people who will pay the most they could base it on who spends the most time on internet message boards. I'd vote for that! #123 Statik

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/05/the-battery-pac.html

Mitsubishi’s graph shows battery sag on a 3% grade at 62 mph. Long freeway grades in the Western US are 6%. At max power the battery and 47 kW motor can maintain speed at 6%, but note max battery power is quoted for a “60 sec pulse”. IMHO the pack is not spec’d to sustain max power up a long grade of 15-20 miles (4500-6500 ft elevation gain). And even if the battery could handle it, you’d be out of juice by mile 16 assuming you start at 20% DoD.

I don’t consider this to be a fatal shortcoming. The i-Miev is a city car and the term “highway capable” in this case means city highways. Unlike the Volt, Prius, etc. this car is not meant to go out and conquer the wide-open spaces of the Western US.

Li-Ion batteries is the hold up here…Mitsu’s factory is only expected to be able to pump out 2,000 next year… It’s nice to seem them not gouge people….

Who says they won’t gouge? How do you propose they allocate 2000 cars amongst 20,000 or so hopeful buyers? I guess instead of selling to the people who will pay the most they could base it on who spends the most time on internet message boards. I’d vote for that!

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