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	<title>Comments on: GM and Toyota May be in Talks to Build Priuses Together and is Toyota Really Looking at E-REVs?</title>
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		<title>By: Frank Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In July 2007 a Democratic Presidential Candidate [who was banned from the debates because of his Top Ten List] invented the national contest for better electric rechargable car batteries at http://www.franklynch.org/plug_in_cars.htm 
that John McCain recently announced as though he thought of it.

Obama is so stupid that he failed to make fun of McCain for beings so lacking in ideas that he has to steal ideas from Democrats, and Obama is even dumber for failing to exploit the ideas of his fellow Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In July 2007 a Democratic Presidential Candidate [who was banned from the debates because of his Top Ten List] invented the national contest for better electric rechargable car batteries at <a href="http://www.franklynch.org/plug_in_cars.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.franklynch.org/plug_in_cars.htm</a><br />
that John McCain recently announced as though he thought of it.</p>
<p>Obama is so stupid that he failed to make fun of McCain for beings so lacking in ideas that he has to steal ideas from Democrats, and Obama is even dumber for failing to exploit the ideas of his fellow Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason The Saj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason The Saj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone is forgetting a key aspect of GM building Prius&#039; for Toyota under contract.

&quot;Workforce Labor negotiations with unions.&quot;

You see, Unions hate losing workers, but the fact is GM needs to shut-down. So Unions will dig in harder and cost GM more. But if GM can say, &quot;We&#039;ve arranged to have xx,xxx number of workers build Prius&#039; under contract at such and such factory. They&#039;ll have to relocate, etc.

But this can be a major bargaining tool for GM in union negotiations. While maintaining a trained workforce which you&#039;d otherwise have to let go, or even buy-off.

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I could pay every worker $11,000 lay-off bonus. Or have them build Prius&#039; for Toyota.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is forgetting a key aspect of GM building Prius&#8217; for Toyota under contract.</p>
<p>&#8220;Workforce Labor negotiations with unions.&#8221;</p>
<p>You see, Unions hate losing workers, but the fact is GM needs to shut-down. So Unions will dig in harder and cost GM more. But if GM can say, &#8220;We&#8217;ve arranged to have xx,xxx number of workers build Prius&#8217; under contract at such and such factory. They&#8217;ll have to relocate, etc.</p>
<p>But this can be a major bargaining tool for GM in union negotiations. While maintaining a trained workforce which you&#8217;d otherwise have to let go, or even buy-off.</p>
<p>***<br />
I could pay every worker $11,000 lay-off bonus. Or have them build Prius&#8217; for Toyota.</p>
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		<title>By: Practical Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Practical Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion folks but it has missed a very major point (and if you&#039;re a marketing student instead of an engineer you may better appreciate this).

Prius has been out for 10 years and is quite popular as the poster-child-car of the better-fuel-efficiency / lower emissions/ alternative fuel movement (i.e. green cars). Whatever you think of Toyota, it really is immaterial to the argument. They and Honda led the pack in taking on considerable risk to market hybrid vehicles to a very fickle American consumer market.  They are successful by any standard - but especially in name recognitiion and acceptance.

I too would love to see Chevy Volts on the road, but at this point it is NOT a better car than the Prius because it does not exist (as far as the consumer is concerned)!  The public needs a fuel efficient car *today* as gasoline prices climb over $4.00 a gallon.  The Volt is still a &quot;vapor&quot; car; the Hybrids have been available for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion folks but it has missed a very major point (and if you&#8217;re a marketing student instead of an engineer you may better appreciate this).</p>
<p>Prius has been out for 10 years and is quite popular as the poster-child-car of the better-fuel-efficiency / lower emissions/ alternative fuel movement (i.e. green cars). Whatever you think of Toyota, it really is immaterial to the argument. They and Honda led the pack in taking on considerable risk to market hybrid vehicles to a very fickle American consumer market.  They are successful by any standard &#8211; but especially in name recognitiion and acceptance.</p>
<p>I too would love to see Chevy Volts on the road, but at this point it is NOT a better car than the Prius because it does not exist (as far as the consumer is concerned)!  The public needs a fuel efficient car *today* as gasoline prices climb over $4.00 a gallon.  The Volt is still a &#8220;vapor&#8221; car; the Hybrids have been available for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A wise president who had the interesy of the nation at heart could indeed make a patriotic appeal to a patent-clenching, selfish company. 

 It is hardly the express role of the President of the U.S.A. to set the price of steel, yet JFK appealed to steel companies to lower their prices for the good of the nation. &quot;jawboning&quot; &quot;using his Bully pulpit&quot; 

I can&#039;t say I understand the Cobasys/Chevron versus Panasonic/Toyota situation as well as I would like to...I&#039;m quite willing to entertain the possibility that it is as TED describes it.  If so, I guess the prize for Chevron was the sale of lots and lots of gasoline that was burned inefficiently. and not so many batteries.

What if Whale Oil &#039;R&#039; Us had patented the tungsten light bulb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wise president who had the interesy of the nation at heart could indeed make a patriotic appeal to a patent-clenching, selfish company. </p>
<p> It is hardly the express role of the President of the U.S.A. to set the price of steel, yet JFK appealed to steel companies to lower their prices for the good of the nation. &#8220;jawboning&#8221; &#8220;using his Bully pulpit&#8221; </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I understand the Cobasys/Chevron versus Panasonic/Toyota situation as well as I would like to&#8230;I&#8217;m quite willing to entertain the possibility that it is as TED describes it.  If so, I guess the prize for Chevron was the sale of lots and lots of gasoline that was burned inefficiently. and not so many batteries.</p>
<p>What if Whale Oil &#8216;R&#8217; Us had patented the tungsten light bulb?</p>
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		<title>By: Grizzly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noel #103

While I would agree in some instances, in this one I don&#039;t.  GM has it&#039;s own hybrids and I just don&#039;t believe they would ever sell a product that would pull the table cloth right out from under their own ramp-up of E-rev vehicles.  I believe that even after the Gm-Volt waiting list has been satisfied, there will be a long waiting list for E-rev vehicles.

Instead of re-badging the Prius,  GM should look to re-platform the Opel Corsa, a pure ICE vehicle that gets 58mpg highway, for sale here in the US as a Chevy.  This vehicle outperforms the Smart car in every way  including space.  This would make much more sense and would leverage their own economies of scale.  The money would stay with GM and it&#039;s own development. The difference would be that there may very well be economy conscious people who would never consider a Hybrid or RE-BEV, and GM global has the product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel #103</p>
<p>While I would agree in some instances, in this one I don&#8217;t.  GM has it&#8217;s own hybrids and I just don&#8217;t believe they would ever sell a product that would pull the table cloth right out from under their own ramp-up of E-rev vehicles.  I believe that even after the Gm-Volt waiting list has been satisfied, there will be a long waiting list for E-rev vehicles.</p>
<p>Instead of re-badging the Prius,  GM should look to re-platform the Opel Corsa, a pure ICE vehicle that gets 58mpg highway, for sale here in the US as a Chevy.  This vehicle outperforms the Smart car in every way  including space.  This would make much more sense and would leverage their own economies of scale.  The money would stay with GM and it&#8217;s own development. The difference would be that there may very well be economy conscious people who would never consider a Hybrid or RE-BEV, and GM global has the product.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who think that Toyota will make a mistake that not working on plug in.  The following is ussually true: the guy who talks less is usually the guy will do more.  I guess you know what  I mean.

My 2 cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who think that Toyota will make a mistake that not working on plug in.  The following is ussually true: the guy who talks less is usually the guy will do more.  I guess you know what  I mean.</p>
<p>My 2 cents</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#60 N Riley:

Well you beat me to it there.  I totally agree.

#80 Grizzly:

Ordinarily, I would tend to agree with you about  &quot;re-badged&quot; products, although they seem to get away with the Vibe pretty well.  But desperate times call for desperate measures.  The only thing worse that selling &quot;re-badged&quot; products is to have nothing that people want to buy and closing the doors.

100,000 Volts a year alone are not going to be enough to save GM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#60 N Riley:</p>
<p>Well you beat me to it there.  I totally agree.</p>
<p>#80 Grizzly:</p>
<p>Ordinarily, I would tend to agree with you about  &#8220;re-badged&#8221; products, although they seem to get away with the Vibe pretty well.  But desperate times call for desperate measures.  The only thing worse that selling &#8220;re-badged&#8221; products is to have nothing that people want to buy and closing the doors.</p>
<p>100,000 Volts a year alone are not going to be enough to save GM.</p>
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		<title>By: N Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>N Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted in Fort Myers

You want George W to authorize or be a part of stealing a legal patented process from a company.  I guess when you don&#039;t like a President&#039;s policies its ok if they do something illegal if you think it is right.  Give the man a break, everyone.  We need to follow the law and see the Li-Ion batteries to full production.  They are a much better solution for now.  When the patent runs out and it is legal to produce large NiMH batteries, I am sure several companies will do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted in Fort Myers</p>
<p>You want George W to authorize or be a part of stealing a legal patented process from a company.  I guess when you don&#8217;t like a President&#8217;s policies its ok if they do something illegal if you think it is right.  Give the man a break, everyone.  We need to follow the law and see the Li-Ion batteries to full production.  They are a much better solution for now.  When the patent runs out and it is legal to produce large NiMH batteries, I am sure several companies will do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people are reading too much into this.  It is likely that the only reason Toyota wants to build the Prius at Nummi is because of the sinking value of the dollar against the yen.  They may also not have enough capacity at the Japanese plant to meet current and anticipated demand as gas prices rise.  I don&#039;t think GM is or should consider a rebagded Prius as a &#039;hole filler&#039; until the Volt arrives.  It would just be one more model they have to advertise and build awareness of, and by the time the public figured out what it was the Volt would be here.  I think it would also send the message that GM can&#039;t build a competitive hybrid of their own.  I&#039;m sure Toyota would be happy to sell them rebadged version to increase volume!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people are reading too much into this.  It is likely that the only reason Toyota wants to build the Prius at Nummi is because of the sinking value of the dollar against the yen.  They may also not have enough capacity at the Japanese plant to meet current and anticipated demand as gas prices rise.  I don&#8217;t think GM is or should consider a rebagded Prius as a &#8216;hole filler&#8217; until the Volt arrives.  It would just be one more model they have to advertise and build awareness of, and by the time the public figured out what it was the Volt would be here.  I think it would also send the message that GM can&#8217;t build a competitive hybrid of their own.  I&#8217;m sure Toyota would be happy to sell them rebadged version to increase volume!</p>
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		<title>By: dagwood55</title>
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		<dc:creator>dagwood55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It strikes me as likely that, if GM and Toyota are talking about anything, they are talking about Toyota buying GM&#039;s share of NUMMI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It strikes me as likely that, if GM and Toyota are talking about anything, they are talking about Toyota buying GM&#8217;s share of NUMMI.</p>
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