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	<title>Comments on: Chevy Volt Vehicle Line Engineer on the Reduced Gas Storage Capacity</title>
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		<title>By: DVanditmars</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/04/14/chevy-volt-vehicle-line-engineer-on-the-reduced-gas-storage-capacity/#comment-37535</link>
		<dc:creator>DVanditmars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone that does not like the new range calculated what their current vehicle&#039;s range is, I did.
FuelTank: 15.9 gallons
Average MPG: 22
Range = MPG * FuelTank = 348 miles
Now this assumes a full tank at the start of the trip and ending the trip running on fumes.
Thus for me 400 miles is more than enough based on what I am driving now, (until late 2010 that is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone that does not like the new range calculated what their current vehicle&#8217;s range is, I did.<br />
FuelTank: 15.9 gallons<br />
Average MPG: 22<br />
Range = MPG * FuelTank = 348 miles<br />
Now this assumes a full tank at the start of the trip and ending the trip running on fumes.<br />
Thus for me 400 miles is more than enough based on what I am driving now, (until late 2010 that is).</p>
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		<title>By: BillR</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/04/14/chevy-volt-vehicle-line-engineer-on-the-reduced-gas-storage-capacity/#comment-37348</link>
		<dc:creator>BillR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#126 doggydogworld

Thank you for your interest in the cross-country driving scenario.

Since writing that, I have seen more data, and I agree with your assessment that the engine will probably operate at different speeds.  One reason that leads me to this conclusion is that the regen braking will provide AC power back to the system at variable frequency, so the power electronics should accept a variable frequency from the generator.

I do believe that the ICE will still recharge the batteries while in operation, and may shutdown at other times.  See the attached link for GM curves on planned operation.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/112_0804_chevrolet_volt_update/photo_03.html

It will be interesting to see final performance numbers for the Volt under ICE operation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#126 doggydogworld</p>
<p>Thank you for your interest in the cross-country driving scenario.</p>
<p>Since writing that, I have seen more data, and I agree with your assessment that the engine will probably operate at different speeds.  One reason that leads me to this conclusion is that the regen braking will provide AC power back to the system at variable frequency, so the power electronics should accept a variable frequency from the generator.</p>
<p>I do believe that the ICE will still recharge the batteries while in operation, and may shutdown at other times.  See the attached link for GM curves on planned operation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/112_0804_chevrolet_volt_update/photo_03.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/112_0804_chevrolet_volt_update/photo_03.html</a></p>
<p>It will be interesting to see final performance numbers for the Volt under ICE operation.</p>
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		<title>By: far-soarer</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/04/14/chevy-volt-vehicle-line-engineer-on-the-reduced-gas-storage-capacity/#comment-37289</link>
		<dc:creator>far-soarer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a dreamer I know, but I think GM is out there way in the future with this small gas tank business. I believe their thinking is &quot;What do we need gas for?&quot;
GM will continue to develop the battery pack for increased range and I believe they already have these thoughts and plans in motion. So the basic layout of the Volt will be optimized for the future progress which is not that far in the future. 200 mile battery works for me!
As a Volt owner I want to say &quot;What do I need gas for???&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a dreamer I know, but I think GM is out there way in the future with this small gas tank business. I believe their thinking is &#8220;What do we need gas for?&#8221;<br />
GM will continue to develop the battery pack for increased range and I believe they already have these thoughts and plans in motion. So the basic layout of the Volt will be optimized for the future progress which is not that far in the future. 200 mile battery works for me!<br />
As a Volt owner I want to say &#8220;What do I need gas for???&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave99</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/04/14/chevy-volt-vehicle-line-engineer-on-the-reduced-gas-storage-capacity/#comment-37204</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to 2. FME III :
&quot;E.G, a recent comment bemoaned the spoiler as adding drag. It is abundantly clear from the Volt team’s public comments that aero drag is one of the biggest factors they’ve had to overcome. Hence, I am sure that the spoiler is increasing aero efficiency or it wouldn’t be there.&quot;

Actually, you&#039;re right.  In fluid dynamics (fluid = gas or liquid, you can use the same analysis for either), there are two type of drag:
1. surface drag (&quot;pulls&quot; along the surface of the vehicle, e.g. water trickling down an angled plate &quot;tops out&quot; at a certain speed speed, it doesn&#039;t keep accelerating)
2. a front/rear pressure difference (&quot;pushes&quot; on the front of the vehicle [but not as much on the back], surface drag over the vehicle slows the air down and creates a lower pressure at the back of the car)

A spoiler will create a non-laminar/turbulent region at the back of the vehicle, which will mostly lead to less of #2, but a little less of #1 (source: my Fluid Mechanics class, and T. Gillespie&#039;s book &quot;Fundamentals of Vehicle Dynamics&quot; http://www.sae.org/technical/books/R-114 )

A spoiler also creates rear downforce.  Although significantly increased downforce leads to less efficiency, it may be necessary to keep the car stable at high speeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to 2. FME III :<br />
&#8220;E.G, a recent comment bemoaned the spoiler as adding drag. It is abundantly clear from the Volt team’s public comments that aero drag is one of the biggest factors they’ve had to overcome. Hence, I am sure that the spoiler is increasing aero efficiency or it wouldn’t be there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, you&#8217;re right.  In fluid dynamics (fluid = gas or liquid, you can use the same analysis for either), there are two type of drag:<br />
1. surface drag (&#8221;pulls&#8221; along the surface of the vehicle, e.g. water trickling down an angled plate &#8220;tops out&#8221; at a certain speed speed, it doesn&#8217;t keep accelerating)<br />
2. a front/rear pressure difference (&#8221;pushes&#8221; on the front of the vehicle [but not as much on the back], surface drag over the vehicle slows the air down and creates a lower pressure at the back of the car)</p>
<p>A spoiler will create a non-laminar/turbulent region at the back of the vehicle, which will mostly lead to less of #2, but a little less of #1 (source: my Fluid Mechanics class, and T. Gillespie&#8217;s book &#8220;Fundamentals of Vehicle Dynamics&#8221; <a href="http://www.sae.org/technical/books/R-114" rel="nofollow">http://www.sae.org/technical/books/R-114</a> )</p>
<p>A spoiler also creates rear downforce.  Although significantly increased downforce leads to less efficiency, it may be necessary to keep the car stable at high speeds.</p>
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		<title>By: gr</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/04/14/chevy-volt-vehicle-line-engineer-on-the-reduced-gas-storage-capacity/#comment-37202</link>
		<dc:creator>gr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too would want to have a greater than 400 mile E-REV range even if the added tankage weighed us down some.  If you choose to use a flex fuel, e.g. E-85, and the infrastructure is not there yet, a single trip to the pump is far better than many.  The marketing benefit of a 600 mile extended range will go far to support GM&#039;s recent efforts in growing alternative fuel resources.  Maybe a compromise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too would want to have a greater than 400 mile E-REV range even if the added tankage weighed us down some.  If you choose to use a flex fuel, e.g. E-85, and the infrastructure is not there yet, a single trip to the pump is far better than many.  The marketing benefit of a 600 mile extended range will go far to support GM&#8217;s recent efforts in growing alternative fuel resources.  Maybe a compromise?</p>
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		<title>By: doggydogworld</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/04/14/chevy-volt-vehicle-line-engineer-on-the-reduced-gas-storage-capacity/#comment-37168</link>
		<dc:creator>doggydogworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#97 BillR,

Thanks for linking to the piece with your 1% grade calculations, your Kansas-to-San Francisco example should be required reading for anyone talking about power requirements, etc.

I don&#039;t believe the Volt ICE will run at 30 kW on level ground and recharge the battery to 40%, however. IMHO control logic will match ICE output to steady-state freeway road load. It&#039;s easy to maintain near-peak efficiency over a fairly wide power band. You can do 12 kW at full-throttle low RPM and 40 kW at full-throttle medium RPM. You might give up a couple percent efficiency over this range vs. fixed RPM operation, but you get this back (and then some) by avoiding a round-trip through the battery.

The battery will always help with transient loads, of course, and the ICE will probably cycle on and off as you describe when road load is too low for efficient operation (e.g. 30 mph). Just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#97 BillR,</p>
<p>Thanks for linking to the piece with your 1% grade calculations, your Kansas-to-San Francisco example should be required reading for anyone talking about power requirements, etc.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe the Volt ICE will run at 30 kW on level ground and recharge the battery to 40%, however. IMHO control logic will match ICE output to steady-state freeway road load. It&#8217;s easy to maintain near-peak efficiency over a fairly wide power band. You can do 12 kW at full-throttle low RPM and 40 kW at full-throttle medium RPM. You might give up a couple percent efficiency over this range vs. fixed RPM operation, but you get this back (and then some) by avoiding a round-trip through the battery.</p>
<p>The battery will always help with transient loads, of course, and the ICE will probably cycle on and off as you describe when road load is too low for efficient operation (e.g. 30 mph). Just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: jscott1000</title>
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		<dc:creator>jscott1000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t read every comment, but I&#039;m not sure I saw this addressed...the bigger the gas tank, the slower the gas gauge moves and it makes the car seem more fuel efficient than it really is.  

My Full sized truck has a 30 gallon tank, but when I can drive over 500 miles it feels efficient, even though it costs $90 to fill it back up.  A larger tank would make the Volt seem as if it hardly uses any gas, (which is nearly true).  

I think a marketing advantage is being lost and GM is thinking too technical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read every comment, but I&#8217;m not sure I saw this addressed&#8230;the bigger the gas tank, the slower the gas gauge moves and it makes the car seem more fuel efficient than it really is.  </p>
<p>My Full sized truck has a 30 gallon tank, but when I can drive over 500 miles it feels efficient, even though it costs $90 to fill it back up.  A larger tank would make the Volt seem as if it hardly uses any gas, (which is nearly true).  </p>
<p>I think a marketing advantage is being lost and GM is thinking too technical.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted in Fort Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted in Fort Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My current Honda Insight gets 600+ miles per tank and it is one of the features I like best about it.  That is in addition to getting 60+ miles per gallon.  I would trade it today for a Toyota RAV-4 EV which still provides 100 miles of all electric range even though the last one was made a number of years ago.  My future goal is to have a solar charging garage for my Chevy volt so that no $3.50 a gallon gas will be needed at all.  I would settle for a mule.  You listening GM?
TED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My current Honda Insight gets 600+ miles per tank and it is one of the features I like best about it.  That is in addition to getting 60+ miles per gallon.  I would trade it today for a Toyota RAV-4 EV which still provides 100 miles of all electric range even though the last one was made a number of years ago.  My future goal is to have a solar charging garage for my Chevy volt so that no $3.50 a gallon gas will be needed at all.  I would settle for a mule.  You listening GM?<br />
TED</p>
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		<title>By: Would-be Volt Buyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Would-be Volt Buyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the decreased tank size is reasonable, although I don&#039;t see it being a tremendous saving.

If we&#039;re trying to save fuel and volume, I&#039;d still like to see a Stirling engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the decreased tank size is reasonable, although I don&#8217;t see it being a tremendous saving.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re trying to save fuel and volume, I&#8217;d still like to see a Stirling engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Tor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the original article, I think 400 miles is fine range wise since I&#039;ll be able to stop, get gas, and continue on my way.

I hope that solar cells will become even more powerful and provide another means of extending range, especially since my car would be sitting outside in the sun all day while I&#039;m at work.  That would be a great opportunity for me to get a few extra miles range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the original article, I think 400 miles is fine range wise since I&#8217;ll be able to stop, get gas, and continue on my way.</p>
<p>I hope that solar cells will become even more powerful and provide another means of extending range, especially since my car would be sitting outside in the sun all day while I&#8217;m at work.  That would be a great opportunity for me to get a few extra miles range.</p>
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