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	<title>Comments on: Production Volt Exterior Design and Appearance: When Will We See it All?</title>
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		<title>By: June Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>June Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A buddy urged me to read this website, nice post, interesting read... keep up the nice work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A buddy urged me to read this website, nice post, interesting read&#8230; keep up the nice work!</p>
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		<title>By: DD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was somewhat disappointed to learn and see the actual photos of the new Chevy Volt (via Yahoo news/Internet) that this vehicle has been displayed at the 2008 China Auto Show this past weekend!  Guess you don&#039;t have to guess anymore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was somewhat disappointed to learn and see the actual photos of the new Chevy Volt (via Yahoo news/Internet) that this vehicle has been displayed at the 2008 China Auto Show this past weekend!  Guess you don&#8217;t have to guess anymore&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: terri voneye</title>
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		<dc:creator>terri voneye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have they considerd a couple of tubes that are hooked to a couple of small wind turbine generators to assist in charging the batteries on the highway, so the motor may not have to run so much for better gas MPG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have they considerd a couple of tubes that are hooked to a couple of small wind turbine generators to assist in charging the batteries on the highway, so the motor may not have to run so much for better gas MPG.</p>
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		<title>By: CM</title>
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		<dc:creator>CM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#173 Paul: GM is likely to use AC induction motors for the Volt, as they have experience with them, they are brushless, reliable, high efficiency, and cost slightly less than brushless permenent magnet synchronous motors. 

#185 Carol: The Canadian government doesn&#039;t allow low speed &quot;neighborhood electric vehicles&quot; on the hiways, as their maximum speed is only 35 to 40 mph, and they don&#039;t meet the same safety requirements of faster vehicles. Some Canadian cities are allowing NEVs on residential streets with speed limits of 35 mph or less. An electric car capable of freeway speeds and meeting full safety standards are allowed on all roads. 

The idea of a swappable battery is a common one. There are some technical details to work out, the batteries would have to be leased from the battery swap company, and it is not entirely clear if the economics works out. Project Better Place is trying to develop a swappable battery pack system, along with public recharge stations. 
http://www.projectbetterplace.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#173 Paul: GM is likely to use AC induction motors for the Volt, as they have experience with them, they are brushless, reliable, high efficiency, and cost slightly less than brushless permenent magnet synchronous motors. </p>
<p>#185 Carol: The Canadian government doesn&#8217;t allow low speed &#8220;neighborhood electric vehicles&#8221; on the hiways, as their maximum speed is only 35 to 40 mph, and they don&#8217;t meet the same safety requirements of faster vehicles. Some Canadian cities are allowing NEVs on residential streets with speed limits of 35 mph or less. An electric car capable of freeway speeds and meeting full safety standards are allowed on all roads. </p>
<p>The idea of a swappable battery is a common one. There are some technical details to work out, the batteries would have to be leased from the battery swap company, and it is not entirely clear if the economics works out. Project Better Place is trying to develop a swappable battery pack system, along with public recharge stations.<br />
<a href="http://www.projectbetterplace.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.projectbetterplace.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: CM</title>
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		<dc:creator>CM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#171 Al: I think you misunderstood, the &quot;conversion loss&quot; I mentioned wasn&#039;t including the efficiency of the IC engine itself, but rather the loss in converting mechanical power into electrical power, then back again at the wheels.  Most of my information came from the Tesla Motors website, Wikipedia, and various other sources. 

Rectification is unlikely to &quot;eat&quot; 70% going from AC to DC. Checking Wikipedia under &quot;rectifier&quot;, I find that the peak voltage drop for a silicon diode is 0.7 volts, two diodes in a bridge rectifier would be a 1.4 volt drop. I&#039;m not sure what voltage the Volt will be using, but even at a modest 240 volts AC the rectifier operates at over 99% efficiency, less than 1% loss! Now if you were to rectify a mere 2.8 volts AC, the efficiency is only 50% due to voltage drop, but somehow I don&#039;t think that would be useful to power an electric car! Hmm, maybe you were confusing it with some older less efficient rectifier, but I&#039;m not aware of any that are that inefficient. 

The 33% figure you quote from Capstone includes both turbine efficiency and generator efficiency, but not &quot;motor to wheel&quot;, adding that in would drop it to about 31%, still well above the efficiency of a typical non-hybrid. 

Now figuring an overall &quot;Tank to Wheel&quot; efficiency comparison between non-hybid petrol cars and electric hybrids gets a bit more complicated. Both types have thermodynamic losses in the IC engine.  The electric hybrid has conversion losses not seen in non-hybrids, but series and split path hybrids can take advantage of several energy saving efficiency boosting techniques not available in non-hybrids, such as: Regenerative braking, Engine shutoff/autostart, low speed electric only operation, Atkinson/Miller cycle IC engines, and keeping IC engine speed near optimum regardless of road speed. Also, non-hybrid automatic transmission cars have torque converter losses not found in Series or Split Path hybrids. The result is higher overall efficiency for hybrids, and the real proof is in the on-road performance. It really is possible to get 45 to 55 mpg with reasonably good driving, as more than a few Prius drivers can tell you. While the fuel efficiency of a series hybrid like the Volt may turn out to be slightly less, it will still be well above the efficiency of a non-hybrid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#171 Al: I think you misunderstood, the &#8220;conversion loss&#8221; I mentioned wasn&#8217;t including the efficiency of the IC engine itself, but rather the loss in converting mechanical power into electrical power, then back again at the wheels.  Most of my information came from the Tesla Motors website, Wikipedia, and various other sources. </p>
<p>Rectification is unlikely to &#8220;eat&#8221; 70% going from AC to DC. Checking Wikipedia under &#8220;rectifier&#8221;, I find that the peak voltage drop for a silicon diode is 0.7 volts, two diodes in a bridge rectifier would be a 1.4 volt drop. I&#8217;m not sure what voltage the Volt will be using, but even at a modest 240 volts AC the rectifier operates at over 99% efficiency, less than 1% loss! Now if you were to rectify a mere 2.8 volts AC, the efficiency is only 50% due to voltage drop, but somehow I don&#8217;t think that would be useful to power an electric car! Hmm, maybe you were confusing it with some older less efficient rectifier, but I&#8217;m not aware of any that are that inefficient. </p>
<p>The 33% figure you quote from Capstone includes both turbine efficiency and generator efficiency, but not &#8220;motor to wheel&#8221;, adding that in would drop it to about 31%, still well above the efficiency of a typical non-hybrid. </p>
<p>Now figuring an overall &#8220;Tank to Wheel&#8221; efficiency comparison between non-hybid petrol cars and electric hybrids gets a bit more complicated. Both types have thermodynamic losses in the IC engine.  The electric hybrid has conversion losses not seen in non-hybrids, but series and split path hybrids can take advantage of several energy saving efficiency boosting techniques not available in non-hybrids, such as: Regenerative braking, Engine shutoff/autostart, low speed electric only operation, Atkinson/Miller cycle IC engines, and keeping IC engine speed near optimum regardless of road speed. Also, non-hybrid automatic transmission cars have torque converter losses not found in Series or Split Path hybrids. The result is higher overall efficiency for hybrids, and the real proof is in the on-road performance. It really is possible to get 45 to 55 mpg with reasonably good driving, as more than a few Prius drivers can tell you. While the fuel efficiency of a series hybrid like the Volt may turn out to be slightly less, it will still be well above the efficiency of a non-hybrid.</p>
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