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	<title>Comments on: Lutz: Volt Battery Suppliers are in a Horse Race and Expect 100,000 in sales by 2012</title>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 and #23 Statik

Please, do us a favor and get off of your high horse for a minute.  I don&#039;t post as much as you, but I have been reading this site since it&#039;s inception.  You have made many good posts that I&#039;ve read in the past, but you are far from being 100 percent correct.  Hell, your post #15 says Lutz has failed on every deadline, yet the batteries were delivered on schedule.   Batteries that 12 months before hand skeptics said where still 5-10 years away.

I recognize that a healthy dose of skepticism is good now and then, but please try to recognize that GM has not once given a concrete statement on anything yet.  They consistently say things like &quot;Our goal is...&quot; and &quot;We&#039;re are shooting for...&quot;.  They haven&#039;t made the mistake of giving an exact price, or date, for anything yet, probably because they know that it would be precisely that, a mistake.  They are doing everything in the most transparent way that any major auto manufacturer has done for any upcoming vehicle ever.  This information they are releasing is to most companies considered to be closely guarded information.  GM is doing with e-flex what IBM did with the PC.  I&#039;m willing to bet that in 20 years, every major auto manufacturer will be doing it just like e-flex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 and #23 Statik</p>
<p>Please, do us a favor and get off of your high horse for a minute.  I don&#8217;t post as much as you, but I have been reading this site since it&#8217;s inception.  You have made many good posts that I&#8217;ve read in the past, but you are far from being 100 percent correct.  Hell, your post #15 says Lutz has failed on every deadline, yet the batteries were delivered on schedule.   Batteries that 12 months before hand skeptics said where still 5-10 years away.</p>
<p>I recognize that a healthy dose of skepticism is good now and then, but please try to recognize that GM has not once given a concrete statement on anything yet.  They consistently say things like &quot;Our goal is&#8230;&quot; and &quot;We&#8217;re are shooting for&#8230;&quot;.  They haven&#8217;t made the mistake of giving an exact price, or date, for anything yet, probably because they know that it would be precisely that, a mistake.  They are doing everything in the most transparent way that any major auto manufacturer has done for any upcoming vehicle ever.  This information they are releasing is to most companies considered to be closely guarded information.  GM is doing with e-flex what IBM did with the PC.  I&#8217;m willing to bet that in 20 years, every major auto manufacturer will be doing it just like e-flex.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 03:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally unrealistic!Which 100,000 people are going to buy this Volt if it&#039;s costing $35K to $40K and you can buy a Prius for $25K?Doesn&#039;t make sense!Don&#039;t hold your breath, people.They need to get the cost way down. That will probably take till 2020.Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally unrealistic!Which 100,000 people are going to buy this Volt if it&#8217;s costing $35K to $40K and you can buy a Prius for $25K?Doesn&#8217;t make sense!Don&#8217;t hold your breath, people.They need to get the cost way down. That will probably take till 2020.Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tupac better than no pack at all. The &quot;other&quot;  will be used somewhere, don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tupac better than no pack at all. The &quot;other&quot;  will be used somewhere, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statik, I am a lot like you.  I can be negative a lot too, but there is something about this life we live.

We didn&#039;t ask to be here, but just being here and expressing our opinions, we catch sh*t.  I&#039;m anxious for the volt as well.

Lutz said he was wanting the mules on the road by Easter, I&#039;m going to hold him to it.  Now if he would said, the mules would be on the road around Easter, we would&#039;ve been cool with it.  You can take the same anology for the number of volts in a year.

I was brought up, if you say your going to do it, then you do it, don&#039;t let &#039;em down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statik, I am a lot like you.  I can be negative a lot too, but there is something about this life we live.</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t ask to be here, but just being here and expressing our opinions, we catch sh*t.  I&#8217;m anxious for the volt as well.</p>
<p>Lutz said he was wanting the mules on the road by Easter, I&#8217;m going to hold him to it.  Now if he would said, the mules would be on the road around Easter, we would&#8217;ve been cool with it.  You can take the same anology for the number of volts in a year.</p>
<p>I was brought up, if you say your going to do it, then you do it, don&#8217;t let &#8216;em down.</p>
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		<title>By: Statik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Statik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16 Jason

I might indeed gripe in the middle of an orgasm...and you might not be able to hear my whining about it, hehe.

...sometimes the correct statement isn&#039;t the popular one, especially on a Volt fourm, so I do get pasted alot and thats ok.  

That being said, I want a Volt, but if GM is going to put out wild statements and changing everything from price to production, I am going to call them out.  

I can go back to every single one of my statements on the Volt over the past year here...and not one has been wrong yet, I wonder how many others can say the same?  So yes, all my statements have pretty much been a downer, it&#039;s not my fault I live in the real world.  

If GM puts out a reasonable press release I will be the first to agree with it.  Or if GM hits a goal and I am wrong, I will be the first to apologize...until then, I&#039;m still batting 1.000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16 Jason</p>
<p>I might indeed gripe in the middle of an orgasm&#8230;and you might not be able to hear my whining about it, hehe.</p>
<p>&#8230;sometimes the correct statement isn&#8217;t the popular one, especially on a Volt fourm, so I do get pasted alot and thats ok.  </p>
<p>That being said, I want a Volt, but if GM is going to put out wild statements and changing everything from price to production, I am going to call them out.  </p>
<p>I can go back to every single one of my statements on the Volt over the past year here&#8230;and not one has been wrong yet, I wonder how many others can say the same?  So yes, all my statements have pretty much been a downer, it&#8217;s not my fault I live in the real world.  </p>
<p>If GM puts out a reasonable press release I will be the first to agree with it.  Or if GM hits a goal and I am wrong, I will be the first to apologize&#8230;until then, I&#8217;m still batting 1.000.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still very curious in the differences between the two packs.  Can we squeeze more range out of one pack?  How much cheaper is one pack than another?  

I envision a day where a consumer can &quot;customize&quot; their Volt choosing one pack over another based on range, price, etc., much like you can build your computer--we&#039;ve talked about this before.  

Also, not that I&#039;d encourage merging the two packs, but using one pack to the exclusion of the other company sounds silly to me.  There&#039;s safety in redundancy; talk to Nasaman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still very curious in the differences between the two packs.  Can we squeeze more range out of one pack?  How much cheaper is one pack than another?  </p>
<p>I envision a day where a consumer can &quot;customize&quot; their Volt choosing one pack over another based on range, price, etc., much like you can build your computer&#8211;we&#8217;ve talked about this before.  </p>
<p>Also, not that I&#8217;d encourage merging the two packs, but using one pack to the exclusion of the other company sounds silly to me.  There&#8217;s safety in redundancy; talk to Nasaman.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that both battery designs are performing very well in bench testing is encouraging.  GM has always bragged about testing their products under far worse conditions than the vehicle should realistically expect in normal daily life, so I hope that our real-world  abuses (both electrical and mechanical) will not cause unexpected failures. I think it&#039;s unfortunate that one of these manufacturers will end up being the loser on the long-term contract, but I agree with the previous post regarding the need for standardization across the entire production run.  Since the packs are very close in terms of performance, they can&#039;t even upsell the &quot;better&quot; pack as an option.

Ford goofed this one up several times in the 70s &amp; 80s by mixing in whatever left over parts they had laying around throughout the model year. It still causes parts suppliers headaches because the customer has to order parts based not only on year/model, but on specific variations as well (&quot;Does that truck have the larger or smaller bearings in the rear axle?&quot; &quot;Uh, how should I know? I&#039;m just trying to buy a heater core!&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that both battery designs are performing very well in bench testing is encouraging.  GM has always bragged about testing their products under far worse conditions than the vehicle should realistically expect in normal daily life, so I hope that our real-world  abuses (both electrical and mechanical) will not cause unexpected failures. I think it&#8217;s unfortunate that one of these manufacturers will end up being the loser on the long-term contract, but I agree with the previous post regarding the need for standardization across the entire production run.  Since the packs are very close in terms of performance, they can&#8217;t even upsell the &quot;better&quot; pack as an option.</p>
<p>Ford goofed this one up several times in the 70s &amp; 80s by mixing in whatever left over parts they had laying around throughout the model year. It still causes parts suppliers headaches because the customer has to order parts based not only on year/model, but on specific variations as well (&quot;Does that truck have the larger or smaller bearings in the rear axle?&quot; &quot;Uh, how should I know? I&#8217;m just trying to buy a heater core!&quot;)</p>
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		<title>By: GXT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GXT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... that was strange....

Lutz is continuing the process of pushing deadlines and expectations into the future.  They are falling farther behind.
It probably wouldn&#039;t have been so bad except for the fact that Lutz already made some crazily over-optimistic promises.  That makes these setbacks appear worse.  It also makes you wonder if these revised dates are still crazily over-optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; that was strange&#8230;.</p>
<p>Lutz is continuing the process of pushing deadlines and expectations into the future.  They are falling farther behind.<br />
It probably wouldn&#8217;t have been so bad except for the fact that Lutz already made some crazily over-optimistic promises.  That makes these setbacks appear worse.  It also makes you wonder if these revised dates are still crazily over-optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: GXT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GXT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lutz is continuing the process of pushing deadlines and expectations into the future.  They are falling farther behind.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lutz is continuing the process of pushing deadlines and expectations into the future.  They are falling farther behind.<br />
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t suppose GM has actually stated what they feel are the &quot;extreme strengths and some weaknesses&quot; of each of the two suppliers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t suppose GM has actually stated what they feel are the &quot;extreme strengths and some weaknesses&quot; of each of the two suppliers?</p>
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