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		<title>By: Tejera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tejera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Lutz or Burns Is there anyway that someone at R&amp;D could contact me to talk about this great technology that i have been working on for the volt or other EV. It could help boost the Volts all electric distance from 40 miles to about 60-80 miles. It is done at relatively slow speeds from 20 mph. At 20 mph the batteries are already being charged. Is there anyway that anyone at R&amp;D could contact me so that this technology can be discussed. This is done with items already on the market so it will make it relatively cheap to implement per vehicle. I estimated about $400 to $800 per vehicle. This is not a joke and no im not a tech looney either. But please have someone contact me via email or by phone. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Lutz or Burns Is there anyway that someone at R&amp;D could contact me to talk about this great technology that i have been working on for the volt or other EV. It could help boost the Volts all electric distance from 40 miles to about 60-80 miles. It is done at relatively slow speeds from 20 mph. At 20 mph the batteries are already being charged. Is there anyway that anyone at R&amp;D could contact me so that this technology can be discussed. This is done with items already on the market so it will make it relatively cheap to implement per vehicle. I estimated about $400 to $800 per vehicle. This is not a joke and no im not a tech looney either. But please have someone contact me via email or by phone. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#46 Jeffrey:
If the market wants a 34 mile electric range Vue, and that helps GM to become a viable and survivable company, who am I to argue?

I am just afraid that, when enough battery capacity is hung on it, it will become so heavy and expensive that it won&#039;t work financially.  I mean, how many hybrid Tahoes do you think they are really going to sell at $53,000?

My biggest concern is that they will take their eye off the prize of the Volt.  I hope that it will be as light and aerodynamically efficient as it needs to be to really make a world altering statement about fuel economy.

I fell in love with the Honda Insight.  Clearly, Honda pulled out all of the stops to make the first hybrid statement.  1850 lb, all aluminum, with a no compromise aero package.  I would have bought one, but my wife wouldn&#039;t have such a small car.  If it had been a GM product, I would have bought one anyway for my business driving.  Clearly Toyota , and now GM, are a lot smarter from a marketing point of view to go with a 4 seater, but man the Insight was an engineering tour de force.

I only hope that the Volt will make a profoundly powerful statement, and allow US manufacturers to reclaim the technological high ground forever.

Bob Lutz seems to have acknowledged the absolute necessity of doing this.  I only hope that he can make it so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#46 Jeffrey:<br />
If the market wants a 34 mile electric range Vue, and that helps GM to become a viable and survivable company, who am I to argue?</p>
<p>I am just afraid that, when enough battery capacity is hung on it, it will become so heavy and expensive that it won&#8217;t work financially.  I mean, how many hybrid Tahoes do you think they are really going to sell at $53,000?</p>
<p>My biggest concern is that they will take their eye off the prize of the Volt.  I hope that it will be as light and aerodynamically efficient as it needs to be to really make a world altering statement about fuel economy.</p>
<p>I fell in love with the Honda Insight.  Clearly, Honda pulled out all of the stops to make the first hybrid statement.  1850 lb, all aluminum, with a no compromise aero package.  I would have bought one, but my wife wouldn&#8217;t have such a small car.  If it had been a GM product, I would have bought one anyway for my business driving.  Clearly Toyota , and now GM, are a lot smarter from a marketing point of view to go with a 4 seater, but man the Insight was an engineering tour de force.</p>
<p>I only hope that the Volt will make a profoundly powerful statement, and allow US manufacturers to reclaim the technological high ground forever.</p>
<p>Bob Lutz seems to have acknowledged the absolute necessity of doing this.  I only hope that he can make it so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38 Noel,  The Toyota RAV4 EV got 80+ miles on that huge battery it had in there - but I agree that &lt;em&gt;the same&lt;/em&gt; battery (16kwh) shouldn&#039;t give 40 miles in the the Volt AND 34 in the Vue - either more range in the first, or less in the latter...

Nasaman, not only would I buy a 34 mile Vue, I&#039;d consider it at 25-30 miles, as that would cover 75% of my trips with that vehicle... and that seems more realistic than the 34 mile range!  Of course, we&#039;re hoping to make the Volt my daily commuter (about 50 miles a day) and longer range weekend choice, with the Vue my wife&#039;s daily driver, so that would just make things that much more attractive for us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38 Noel,  The Toyota RAV4 EV got 80+ miles on that huge battery it had in there &#8211; but I agree that <em>the same</em> battery (16kwh) shouldn&#8217;t give 40 miles in the the Volt AND 34 in the Vue &#8211; either more range in the first, or less in the latter&#8230;</p>
<p>Nasaman, not only would I buy a 34 mile Vue, I&#8217;d consider it at 25-30 miles, as that would cover 75% of my trips with that vehicle&#8230; and that seems more realistic than the 34 mile range!  Of course, we&#8217;re hoping to make the Volt my daily commuter (about 50 miles a day) and longer range weekend choice, with the Vue my wife&#8217;s daily driver, so that would just make things that much more attractive for us!</p>
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		<title>By: nasaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>nasaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As designed, the Plug-in Vue should need only minor changes to its control algorithms (and the Volt&#039;s battery technology to upsize the battery) to function exactly like an E-REV ---hey, GM is already claiming it will have a 10 mile EV-only range!

The architecture is admittedly somewhat less efficient than the Volt&#039;s series design, but that won&#039;t prevent the car from functioning like plug-in Prius conversions do ---or even like the Volt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As designed, the Plug-in Vue should need only minor changes to its control algorithms (and the Volt&#8217;s battery technology to upsize the battery) to function exactly like an E-REV &#8212;hey, GM is already claiming it will have a 10 mile EV-only range!</p>
<p>The architecture is admittedly somewhat less efficient than the Volt&#8217;s series design, but that won&#8217;t prevent the car from functioning like plug-in Prius conversions do &#8212;or even like the Volt!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple criteria... I want to burn zero gas on my daily commute. Hence, anything less than 26 miles pure electric won&#039;t even get a glance from me. Also, an ICE vehicle with electrical assist loses in my opinion, all electric with electric motors is my next car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple criteria&#8230; I want to burn zero gas on my daily commute. Hence, anything less than 26 miles pure electric won&#8217;t even get a glance from me. Also, an ICE vehicle with electrical assist loses in my opinion, all electric with electric motors is my next car.</p>
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		<title>By: glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 nasaman

yes, i would buy a 35 mile aer vue over a 40 mile aer volt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6 nasaman</p>
<p>yes, i would buy a 35 mile aer vue over a 40 mile aer volt</p>
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		<title>By: nasaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>nasaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: Please remember that the Volt&#039;s 40 mile AER range with its 16KWh battery is &lt;strong&gt;also&lt;/strong&gt; calculated by GM engineering, not based on mule on other road testing ---and that we&#039;ve been led to believe the plug-in Saturn Vue has &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; started doing some road testing (the &quot;mule&quot; vehicles are the same as the 2008 Vue, so they already exist). So don&#039;t dismiss this added-cost plug-in Vue option for a larger battery to achieve 30-35 miles AER too quickly, folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: Please remember that the Volt&#8217;s 40 mile AER range with its 16KWh battery is <strong>also</strong> calculated by GM engineering, not based on mule on other road testing &#8212;and that we&#8217;ve been led to believe the plug-in Saturn Vue has <strong><em>already</em></strong> started doing some road testing (the &quot;mule&quot; vehicles are the same as the 2008 Vue, so they already exist). So don&#8217;t dismiss this added-cost plug-in Vue option for a larger battery to achieve 30-35 miles AER too quickly, folks!</p>
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		<title>By: nasaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>nasaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;27 Grizzly, 31 James, 36 Noel Park.....

&lt;/em&gt;What I failed to explain here is that GM&#039;s own electric drive team (at least &lt;strong&gt;some&lt;/strong&gt; of the same guys working on the Volt, I&#039;m led to believe) --NOT ME-- calculated that the Caddy Provoq concept announced in January (well after the Volt&#039;s wind tunnel testing was completed), and with the same size &amp; shape as the Vue (but with louvers in the grill that close at higher speeds to reduce drag) &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;would be capable of a 20 mile AER using a 9KWh Lithium Ion battery&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; under the center console. The plug-in Vue could also use these same Provoq-like inexpensive louvers (which can be actuated automatically by car speed) to achieve the same reduced drag as the Provoq.

Also, remember that GM told us last year their testing/analysis/etc had led them to conclude that drag is more important than weight for electrically-driven cars, which is not the case for ICE-powered cars. This is largely a consequence of the fact that, irrespective of the mass of a vehicle, a substantial fraction of the electrical energy needed to reach road speed from a stop (or to simply accelerate) &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;recovered by the regenerative braking system &amp; by other efficiency-enhancing systems they&#039;re able to use for any electric drive. &lt;/strong&gt;How else can you explain GM engineering&#039;s calculated AER of 20 miles for the Caddy Provoq with a 9KWh battery!?!

So once again I need to ask everyone, assuming GM&#039;s own calculations are correct, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;Would you&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;be interested in the plug-in Vue if it had an added-cost option for up to 35 miles AER?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>27 Grizzly, 31 James, 36 Noel Park&#8230;..</p>
<p></em>What I failed to explain here is that GM&#8217;s own electric drive team (at least <strong>some</strong> of the same guys working on the Volt, I&#8217;m led to believe) &#8211;NOT ME&#8211; calculated that the Caddy Provoq concept announced in January (well after the Volt&#8217;s wind tunnel testing was completed), and with the same size &amp; shape as the Vue (but with louvers in the grill that close at higher speeds to reduce drag) <strong><em>would be capable of a 20 mile AER using a 9KWh Lithium Ion battery</em></strong> under the center console. The plug-in Vue could also use these same Provoq-like inexpensive louvers (which can be actuated automatically by car speed) to achieve the same reduced drag as the Provoq.</p>
<p>Also, remember that GM told us last year their testing/analysis/etc had led them to conclude that drag is more important than weight for electrically-driven cars, which is not the case for ICE-powered cars. This is largely a consequence of the fact that, irrespective of the mass of a vehicle, a substantial fraction of the electrical energy needed to reach road speed from a stop (or to simply accelerate) <strong>is</strong> <strong>recovered by the regenerative braking system &amp; by other efficiency-enhancing systems they&#8217;re able to use for any electric drive. </strong>How else can you explain GM engineering&#8217;s calculated AER of 20 miles for the Caddy Provoq with a 9KWh battery!?!</p>
<p>So once again I need to ask everyone, assuming GM&#8217;s own calculations are correct, <strong><em>&quot;Would you</em></strong> <strong><em>be interested in the plug-in Vue if it had an added-cost option for up to 35 miles AER?&quot;</em></strong></p>
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