Comments on: A123 Systems Currently Makes Enough Batteries for 100,000 Cars http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:07:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: GSP http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32274 GSP Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:51:11 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32274 29ug, Th!nk's business model is likely not to bad.  In Norway they have to pay a huge tax on new cars, about 100%!  Except for EVs.  That makes the Th!nk City very attractive to Norwegians, despite the battery rental cost.  Brits will like the City as well, to avoid the huge cost of driving a normal car into London's congestion zone. GSP 29ug,

Th!nk’s business model is likely not to bad.  In Norway they have to pay a huge tax on new cars, about 100%!  Except for EVs.  That makes the Th!nk City very attractive to Norwegians, despite the battery rental cost.  Brits will like the City as well, to avoid the huge cost of driving a normal car into London’s congestion zone.

GSP

]]> By: Ter Meenal http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32261 Ter Meenal Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:06:37 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32261 29ug Read my post #25. (200 Euros does not necessarily mean that the cost in the U.S. will be a direct conversion.....for proof of this examine Euro car pricing) Ter 29ug

Read my post #25. (200 Euros does not necessarily mean that the cost in the U.S. will be a direct conversion…..for proof of this examine Euro car pricing)

Ter

]]> By: Jeff J http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32257 Jeff J Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:11:36 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32257 Thanks  Thomdbhomb & Noel Park ,  If ever there was a Time to launch this car this year is IT .  IMO look for GM to roll out the production model on 19 March . And remember you heard it here first. Have a Great weekend  Y'all!!!!!!! Thanks  Thomdbhomb & Noel Park ,  If ever there was a Time to launch this car this year is IT .  IMO look for GM to roll out the production model on 19 March . And remember you heard it here first. Have a Great weekend  Y’all!!!!!!!

]]> By: ug http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32255 ug Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:33:06 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32255 "Holy cow, a 200 euro monthly fee is $300 per month. And that is on top of your car payment. Ouch." That's why Th!nk's business model is dead on arrival.   "Holy cow, a 200 euro monthly fee is $300 per month. And that is on top of your car payment. Ouch." That’s why Th!nk’s business model is dead on arrival.  

]]> By: Grizzly http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32253 Grizzly Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:34:43 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32253 Jeff M, Good point(s).  I got the feeling as well that A123's production is for other current projects and that they'll still need more capacity, unless they'll use this when(if) it becomes idle. They have a very good point about Tesla's pack.  How in the world would you get to one of those cells in the middle of that monster pack if it went bad?   With the wafer design, it would be like removing a CD or DVD from a carrying case, and replacing it w/ another.   Much smarter. Jeff M,

Good point(s).  I got the feeling as well that A123’s production is for other current projects and that they’ll still need more capacity, unless they’ll use this when(if) it becomes idle.

They have a very good point about Tesla’s pack.  How in the world would you get to one of those cells in the middle of that monster pack if it went bad?   With the wafer design, it would be like removing a CD or DVD from a carrying case, and replacing it w/ another.   Much smarter.

]]> By: Jeff M http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32250 Jeff M Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:46:01 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32250 Like Koz said, I'm not sure what info is really in Lyle's post... it says "producing enough lithium-ion cells to fill 100,000"... what does "fill" mean and which vehicle(s)?  It doesn't say Volts... it could just mean Prius type hybrids.... .... looking closer at the article Lyle references the accurate quote is "Today, we are providing enough batteries to power the equivalent of 100,000 vehicles,".  Ie. it means they are producing lots of batteries, but it does not mean the format or chemistry going into the Volt.  These could be laptop, cell phone, etc batteries.  Also "equiv of" is vauge as well... how many kwh do they imagine is equiv of an average vehicle?  Are they talking about enough to drive it 10, 20, 30, 40, or more miles per day? Like Koz said, I’m not sure what info is really in Lyle’s post… it says "producing enough lithium-ion cells to fill 100,000"… what does "fill" mean and which vehicle(s)?  It doesn’t say Volts… it could just mean Prius type hybrids….

…. looking closer at the article Lyle references the accurate quote is "Today, we are providing enough batteries to power the equivalent of 100,000 vehicles,".  Ie. it means they are producing lots of batteries, but it does not mean the format or chemistry going into the Volt.  These could be laptop, cell phone, etc batteries.  Also "equiv of" is vauge as well… how many kwh do they imagine is equiv of an average vehicle?  Are they talking about enough to drive it 10, 20, 30, 40, or more miles per day?

]]> By: noel park http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32248 noel park Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:59:49 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32248 23 Jeff J: $3.45 most places, $3.29 if you really search for the cheapies, and they have lines! 24 Thomdbhomp: My younger son is a Cal Poly grad.  We have fond memories of SLO. 23 Jeff J:

$3.45 most places, $3.29 if you really search for the cheapies, and they have lines!

24 Thomdbhomp:

My younger son is a Cal Poly grad.  We have fond memories of SLO.

]]> By: Ter Meenal http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32246 Ter Meenal Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:41:40 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32246 17 Karik Part of the 200 Euro rental goes towards paying for the users electrical bill (the portion that is used to charge that battery). The rental agreement also provides for unlimited battery replacements. I suspect that the price in U.S dollars will not be a direct conversion. I point you to the price of cars in Europe compared to the same cars price in the U.S., they are not direct conversions. Ter 17 Karik

Part of the 200 Euro rental goes towards paying for the users electrical bill (the portion that is used to charge that battery). The rental agreement also provides for unlimited battery replacements. I suspect that the price in U.S dollars will not be a direct conversion. I point you to the price of cars in Europe compared to the same cars price in the U.S., they are not direct conversions.

Ter

]]> By: thomdbhomb http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32244 thomdbhomb Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:58:56 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32244 #23 Jeff J In San Luis Obispo, CA (half way between Los Angeles and San Francisco) I pay about $3.65 for regular. #23 Jeff J

In San Luis Obispo, CA (half way between Los Angeles and San Francisco) I pay about $3.65 for regular.

]]> By: Jeff J http://gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32243 Jeff J Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:52:32 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/03/07/a123-systems-currently-makes-enough-batteries-for-100000-cars/#comment-32243 #15 Kent , After reading this article Iwas left with the same thoughts you have . Great post ! I would also like to know the Date at which these people are asked thier questons  , today 3-7-o8  or were these statements made six months ago . Just three weeks ago most people on this thread were just hopefull that Li-ion would work. #21noel park I'm just wondering  how much is gas today, in your neck of the woods , Its 3.25 gl. in kentucky at most pumps. #15 Kent , After reading this article Iwas left with the same thoughts you have . Great post ! I would also like to know the Date at which these people are asked thier questons  , today 3-7-o8  or were these statements made six months ago . Just three weeks ago most people on this thread were just hopefull that Li-ion would work.
#21noel park I’m just wondering  how much is gas today, in your neck of the woods , Its 3.25 gl. in kentucky at most pumps.

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