Comments on: New Study: Using U.S. Farmlands for Biofuel Production will Increase Global Greenhouse Gas Emissions http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:53:37 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Tagamet http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30366 Tagamet Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:34:24 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30366 Just a guess, but might that not be a typo, where "from" should read "for" Just a guess, but might that not be a typo, where “from” should read “for”

]]> By: gr http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30365 gr Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:18:13 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30365 You have to question the quality of this report and its designers if they have written and published it with statements such as this: "The study concludes that US Policy should take this potentially deleterious global effect into account before continuing to endorse and subsidize corn production from ethanol." Exactly how many ears can you get out of a gallon?? You have to question the quality of this report and its designers if they have written and published it with statements such as this:

“The study concludes that US Policy should take this potentially deleterious global effect into account before continuing to endorse and subsidize corn production from ethanol.”

Exactly how many ears can you get out of a gallon??

]]> By: NZDavid http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30037 NZDavid Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:28:47 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30037 The ethanol market is expanding quite fast in the states it would seem. Not so good for the small farmer though. http://www.power-technology.com/features/feature1418/ The ethanol market is expanding quite fast in the states it would seem.
Not so good for the small farmer though.
http://www.power-technology.com/features/feature1418/

]]> By: Arch http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30017 Arch Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:25:48 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30017 59 Tag The only thing the farmer sees is the price he is paid for the corn. Take Care Arch 59 Tag

The only thing the farmer sees is the price he is paid for the corn.

Take Care
Arch

]]> By: noel park http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30007 noel park Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:42:55 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30007 JoeJoe, #43: Amen brother. Preach on! JoeJoe, #43:

Amen brother. Preach on!

]]> By: Tom http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30006 Tom Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:37:29 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30006 Tagamet: If the power companies install the dishes and panels at their locations then you don't have to install them at your home. Tagamet:
If the power companies install the dishes and panels at their locations then you don’t have to install them at your home.

]]> By: Alex Williams http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30003 Alex Williams Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:14:29 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30003 Tom said: “Biofuel is BS.” Not really, in the transportation arena there will be a need for liquid fuels for some time to come. Biofuels will serve the very valuable purpose of filling the gap between the petroleum-based system we are stuck with presently and the all electric future. I would, as I am sure would you, rather have the IC backups on electric vehicles running on a renewable fuel than oil. “Our power companies should be investing in solar panels or solar dishes.” They are. With the advent of cheap thin-film solar panels, commercial multi-megawatt installations are happening. http://www.nanosolar.com/pr11.htm “Or they should give us CONSUMERS a way to invest in them. I would gladly pay double my electric bill if that meant it comes from solar. But nobody is giving me that option.” FYI, many electricity suppliers give consumers the option of buying “green” power – ie, power generated from wind, hyro or solar. This is, obviously, dependent upon whether they are tied into a source of green power. There is always a premium for this green power – anything from 20 to 40 percent. The customer can nominate the percentage of green power he/she receives. My power company gives me the option of buying wind power – it costs 30 percent more. Tom said:

“Biofuel is BS.”

Not really, in the transportation arena there will be a need for liquid fuels for some time to come. Biofuels will serve the very valuable purpose of filling the gap between the petroleum-based system we are stuck with presently and the all electric future. I would, as I am sure would you, rather have the IC backups on electric vehicles running on a renewable fuel than oil.

“Our power companies should be investing in solar panels or solar dishes.”

They are. With the advent of cheap thin-film solar panels, commercial multi-megawatt installations are happening.

http://www.nanosolar.com/pr11.htm

“Or they should give us CONSUMERS a way to invest in them. I would gladly pay double my electric bill if that meant it comes from solar. But nobody is giving me that option.”

FYI, many electricity suppliers give consumers the option of buying “green” power – ie, power generated from wind, hyro or solar. This is, obviously, dependent upon whether they are tied into a source of green power. There is always a premium for this green power – anything from 20 to 40 percent. The customer can nominate the percentage of green power he/she receives. My power company gives me the option of buying wind power – it costs 30 percent more.

]]> By: Tagamet http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30001 Tagamet Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:47:26 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-30001 Tom, The solar concentrator site admits that it's not ready for home, small scale use and the PV technology has been "on the cusp" for 20 years. I DO have the option of buying electricity generated from clean *sources* which is something, I guess. My talk of putting up a wind turbine waas not received by smiles for my neighbors (even here in a small rural town). My best hope of saving energy is in transportation Tom,
The solar concentrator site admits that it’s not ready for home, small scale use and the PV technology has been “on the cusp” for 20 years. I DO have the option of buying electricity generated from clean *sources* which is something, I guess. My talk of putting up a wind turbine waas not received by smiles for my neighbors (even here in a small rural town). My best hope of saving energy is in transportation

]]> By: Tom http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-29998 Tom Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:59:39 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-29998 Tagamet, There are more ways to generate solar power than PV panels: http://www.stirlingenergy.com/solar_overview.htm Also, PV panels are on the cusp of becoming much cheaper: http://nanosolar.com/ Tagamet,

There are more ways to generate solar power than PV panels:
http://www.stirlingenergy.com/solar_overview.htm

Also, PV panels are on the cusp of becoming much cheaper:
http://nanosolar.com/

]]> By: Wise Golden http://gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-29971 Wise Golden Sat, 09 Feb 2008 04:50:32 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2008/02/08/new-study-using-us-farmlands-for-biofuel-production-will-increase-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions/#comment-29971 56, "Biofuel is BS. If you already have biomass to distill for some reason, and you can do it easily, fine. But in the end, it’s solar power. Plants use sunlight to grow. A big crop of corn to be used for ethanol is basically a big, inefficient solar field that cuts into our food supply. Our power companies should be investing in solar panels or solar dishes. Or they should give us CONSUMERS a way to invest in them. I would gladly pay double my electric bill if that meant it comes from solar. But nobody is giving me that option. " Wise reply: Okay -- I forgot about solar cars. You're right, we should just start buying solar cars. By the way, please start sending me the equivilent of your current electris bill. Seriously...plants are far more productive solar collectors than solar collectors, maybe by a factor of 10. 56, “Biofuel is BS. If you already have biomass to distill for some reason, and you can do it easily, fine. But in the end, it’s solar power. Plants use sunlight to grow. A big crop of corn to be used for ethanol is basically a big, inefficient solar field that cuts into our food supply.

Our power companies should be investing in solar panels or solar dishes. Or they should give us CONSUMERS a way to invest in them. I would gladly pay double my electric bill if that meant it comes from solar. But nobody is giving me that option.
”

Wise reply:
Okay — I forgot about solar cars. You’re right, we should just start buying solar cars. By the way, please start sending me the equivilent of your current electris bill.

Seriously…plants are far more productive solar collectors than solar collectors, maybe by a factor of 10.

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