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	<title>Comments on: GM CEO Rick Wagoner on Chevy Volt Risk</title>
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		<title>By: Jean-Charles Jacquemin</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/19/gm-ceo-rick-wagoner-on-chevy-volt-risk/#comment-28326</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean-Charles Jacquemin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seen in the general advertising for the Brussels Auto Shosw held until end of next week and good to know to show GM that the competition is on the verge to be ready.

In all the pages of the Volkswagen folder presenting their &quot;bluemotion&quot; versions of the popular cars (Golf, Polo, Passat, Jetta), that is versions with low CO2 emissions, and very popular here, they were also noting matteroffactly that the next step after &quot;bluemotion&quot; would be the electrification of all these models.

I never heard before that VW was doing anything in the world of EVs and the first announcement I see is for the general public, GM think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seen in the general advertising for the Brussels Auto Shosw held until end of next week and good to know to show GM that the competition is on the verge to be ready.</p>
<p>In all the pages of the Volkswagen folder presenting their &#8220;bluemotion&#8221; versions of the popular cars (Golf, Polo, Passat, Jetta), that is versions with low CO2 emissions, and very popular here, they were also noting matteroffactly that the next step after &#8220;bluemotion&#8221; would be the electrification of all these models.</p>
<p>I never heard before that VW was doing anything in the world of EVs and the first announcement I see is for the general public, GM think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert.V</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/19/gm-ceo-rick-wagoner-on-chevy-volt-risk/#comment-28319</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert.V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25 The Saint. is there a code to go with that?</description>
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		<title>By: TheSaint</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/19/gm-ceo-rick-wagoner-on-chevy-volt-risk/#comment-28305</link>
		<dc:creator>TheSaint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NorthernPiker</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/19/gm-ceo-rick-wagoner-on-chevy-volt-risk/#comment-28302</link>
		<dc:creator>NorthernPiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyle,

I saw the blogger press conference with Rick Waggoner. You broached the subject of risks (market et al.) with him but I found that his response was a bit dismissive of the risks and how they will deal with them.  I would like him to address these risks and GM’s risk mitigation plan. He glossed over the technical risks and, more importantly the substantial marketing risks, with the major one being price. Specifically, the Volt may be a technical tour de force but people will be reluctant to pay much of a premium over a similarly equipped conventional  auto even if it can be shown that the life cycle cost of a Volt is much less than its  conventional equivalent.  For example, look at the market acceptance of compact fluorescent light-bulbs (CFLs) versus incandescent bulbs. 

Ten years ago, with power at 8¢ per kWh, it could be shown that a 15-watt CFL at $15 represented about a $25 savings over its 10,000 hour life compared to ten 60-watt incandescent bulbs at $0.50 a pop with a 1,000 hour life. Despite these demonstrable savings and the added benefit of fewer bulb replacements, CFLs did not fly off the shelves. Yes, the form factor was nerdy and the light was a bit stark but CFLs did not even take the basement or garage lighting market by storm.  Even now with better quality of light, improved form factor, a price under $3 and higher power rates, CFLs have not displaced incandescent bulbs to the degree that logic says they should. It seems that the higher price is the sticking point. Will the Volt premium price have a similar effect on its market acceptance?

A key difference between a light bulb purchase and an automobile purchase is the four orders of magnitude difference in price.  An auto motive purchase entails a detailed examination of choices (color, style, etc.) and affordability, which should include some life cycle cost considerations that will work in the favor of a Volt versus a conventional equivalent - for example, a calculation of the monthly cost (lease payments, fuel expenses, maintenance, insurance) of the possible choices. Sales people are sure to present the Volt in the most favorable light, e.g., fewer trips to the gas station, since its premium price translates to premium commission.  For the customer, the premium price will lead to the demand for strong guarantees, particularly on the battery, to provide assurance that the Volt’s useful life is sufficient to recoup the premium price differential in the form of lower fuel and maintenance costs, e.g., fewer brake jobs. These strong guarantees will increase the carmakers risk which they can mitigate. I am thinking of other stakeholders in PHEV development that should be shouldering some of this risk. These stakeholders include environmentalists, government and the power companies.

The power companies would be major beneficiaries of market acceptance of the Volt. It is estimated that the current US power system has sufficient capacity to recharge 80 million PHEVs nightly with NO additional infrastructure. At 8 to 10 kWh per PHEV per night, we are talking additional annual revenue of about $300 per PHEV. The power companies recognize this potential windfall and have conducted studies that support the economics of PHEVs and better yet (for the power companies) EVs. As major beneficiaries, the power companies should be able to help in decreasing the risks of PHEV development.  For example, Austin (TX) Power has talked about providing a $1,000 grant to PHEV purchasers in its serving area. Here is a link to a 2004 Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) studies on PHEV and EV economics. 

http://www.epriweb.com/public/000000000001009299.pdf

So, the question that I would like you to forward to GM is, “What are you doing to involve any of the other PHEV stakeholders in your Volt development?”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle,</p>
<p>I saw the blogger press conference with Rick Waggoner. You broached the subject of risks (market et al.) with him but I found that his response was a bit dismissive of the risks and how they will deal with them.  I would like him to address these risks and GM’s risk mitigation plan. He glossed over the technical risks and, more importantly the substantial marketing risks, with the major one being price. Specifically, the Volt may be a technical tour de force but people will be reluctant to pay much of a premium over a similarly equipped conventional  auto even if it can be shown that the life cycle cost of a Volt is much less than its  conventional equivalent.  For example, look at the market acceptance of compact fluorescent light-bulbs (CFLs) versus incandescent bulbs. </p>
<p>Ten years ago, with power at 8¢ per kWh, it could be shown that a 15-watt CFL at $15 represented about a $25 savings over its 10,000 hour life compared to ten 60-watt incandescent bulbs at $0.50 a pop with a 1,000 hour life. Despite these demonstrable savings and the added benefit of fewer bulb replacements, CFLs did not fly off the shelves. Yes, the form factor was nerdy and the light was a bit stark but CFLs did not even take the basement or garage lighting market by storm.  Even now with better quality of light, improved form factor, a price under $3 and higher power rates, CFLs have not displaced incandescent bulbs to the degree that logic says they should. It seems that the higher price is the sticking point. Will the Volt premium price have a similar effect on its market acceptance?</p>
<p>A key difference between a light bulb purchase and an automobile purchase is the four orders of magnitude difference in price.  An auto motive purchase entails a detailed examination of choices (color, style, etc.) and affordability, which should include some life cycle cost considerations that will work in the favor of a Volt versus a conventional equivalent &#8211; for example, a calculation of the monthly cost (lease payments, fuel expenses, maintenance, insurance) of the possible choices. Sales people are sure to present the Volt in the most favorable light, e.g., fewer trips to the gas station, since its premium price translates to premium commission.  For the customer, the premium price will lead to the demand for strong guarantees, particularly on the battery, to provide assurance that the Volt’s useful life is sufficient to recoup the premium price differential in the form of lower fuel and maintenance costs, e.g., fewer brake jobs. These strong guarantees will increase the carmakers risk which they can mitigate. I am thinking of other stakeholders in PHEV development that should be shouldering some of this risk. These stakeholders include environmentalists, government and the power companies.</p>
<p>The power companies would be major beneficiaries of market acceptance of the Volt. It is estimated that the current US power system has sufficient capacity to recharge 80 million PHEVs nightly with NO additional infrastructure. At 8 to 10 kWh per PHEV per night, we are talking additional annual revenue of about $300 per PHEV. The power companies recognize this potential windfall and have conducted studies that support the economics of PHEVs and better yet (for the power companies) EVs. As major beneficiaries, the power companies should be able to help in decreasing the risks of PHEV development.  For example, Austin (TX) Power has talked about providing a $1,000 grant to PHEV purchasers in its serving area. Here is a link to a 2004 Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) studies on PHEV and EV economics. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.epriweb.com/public/000000000001009299.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.epriweb.com/public/000000000001009299.pdf</a></p>
<p>So, the question that I would like you to forward to GM is, “What are you doing to involve any of the other PHEV stakeholders in your Volt development?”</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Incognito</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/19/gm-ceo-rick-wagoner-on-chevy-volt-risk/#comment-28297</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Incognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you guys seen the new look for this site?
http://www.gm-volt.com/forum/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you guys seen the new look for this site?<br />
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/19/gm-ceo-rick-wagoner-on-chevy-volt-risk/#comment-28295</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much would the tax rebate be on the Volt?  

Right now, the top tax rebate is $1,575 for the Prius.  The Volt is overwhelmingly more important to the environment and the country.  Both John McCain and Hillary Clinton are concerned about global warming, and McCain especially is concerned about energy independence.  With one of them as president, there is no reason we can&#039;t have a $4,000 plus tax rebate.  If they could price it at $29,995 plus a $4,000 rebate plus the huge savings on fuel, this thing would make sense for darn near everyone in America.

Does this make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much would the tax rebate be on the Volt?  </p>
<p>Right now, the top tax rebate is $1,575 for the Prius.  The Volt is overwhelmingly more important to the environment and the country.  Both John McCain and Hillary Clinton are concerned about global warming, and McCain especially is concerned about energy independence.  With one of them as president, there is no reason we can&#8217;t have a $4,000 plus tax rebate.  If they could price it at $29,995 plus a $4,000 rebate plus the huge savings on fuel, this thing would make sense for darn near everyone in America.</p>
<p>Does this make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: David L</title>
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		<dc:creator>David L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lyle ... it like the new look (when it periodically shows up). Could you please make sure that with the &quot;new look&quot; that the posting number for each comment remains? It&#039;s very useful when referring to someone else&#039;s post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lyle &#8230; it like the new look (when it periodically shows up). Could you please make sure that with the &#8220;new look&#8221; that the posting number for each comment remains? It&#8217;s very useful when referring to someone else&#8217;s post.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert.V</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/19/gm-ceo-rick-wagoner-on-chevy-volt-risk/#comment-28292</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert.V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heres a little piece of history for you. Check out the caption under the R&amp;D title.

http://artwork.barewalls.com/product/closeupFrame.asp?ArtworkID=213569&amp;img=w4011967&amp;type=noframe&amp;addtocart=undefined</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heres a little piece of history for you. Check out the caption under the R&amp;D title.</p>
<p><a href="http://artwork.barewalls.com/product/closeupFrame.asp?ArtworkID=213569&amp;img=w4011967&amp;type=noframe&amp;addtocart=undefined" rel="nofollow">http://artwork.barewalls.com/product/closeupFrame.asp?ArtworkID=213569&amp;img=w4011967&amp;type=noframe&amp;addtocart=undefined</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My desire is to have GM come out with this before anyone else.  They need to pay attention to history though.  

Henry Ford sold his cars as cheap as possible in the early 1920&#039;s to get one in every driveway.  The emerging middle class put him and the company on the top of the heap because they could afford one to purchase his cars.

GM must replicate that same stance.  They don&#039;t have to loose a ton of money on each one, sell them close to cost, slightly below if need be.  The point is to get them on the road by the thousands.  More and more people will be exposed to it and want one.  Japanese manufacturers did this successfully in the 1980&#039;s, by selling earth moving equipment, televisions, VCR&#039;s etc at a loss for a year or two.  Then they raised the price to cover costs and make a modest profit.  By that time, so many people were buying their products that they owned that segment of the marketplace.  You don&#039;t corner a market by pricing yourself out of the ability of a strapped middle class to make the purchase.  Stealth and a long view will do wonders for GM&#039;s bottom line.  If the Japanese can do it, so can GM.  To hell with the stock market or investors in the short term.  Go for market share and the long view....Henry Ford did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My desire is to have GM come out with this before anyone else.  They need to pay attention to history though.  </p>
<p>Henry Ford sold his cars as cheap as possible in the early 1920&#8217;s to get one in every driveway.  The emerging middle class put him and the company on the top of the heap because they could afford one to purchase his cars.</p>
<p>GM must replicate that same stance.  They don&#8217;t have to loose a ton of money on each one, sell them close to cost, slightly below if need be.  The point is to get them on the road by the thousands.  More and more people will be exposed to it and want one.  Japanese manufacturers did this successfully in the 1980&#8217;s, by selling earth moving equipment, televisions, VCR&#8217;s etc at a loss for a year or two.  Then they raised the price to cover costs and make a modest profit.  By that time, so many people were buying their products that they owned that segment of the marketplace.  You don&#8217;t corner a market by pricing yourself out of the ability of a strapped middle class to make the purchase.  Stealth and a long view will do wonders for GM&#8217;s bottom line.  If the Japanese can do it, so can GM.  To hell with the stock market or investors in the short term.  Go for market share and the long view&#8230;.Henry Ford did.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Incognito</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/19/gm-ceo-rick-wagoner-on-chevy-volt-risk/#comment-28288</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Incognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only risk Rick Wagoner should be talking about is the risk of GM losing customers and market share if they don&#039;t build the Volt.
Doug (comment#4) always nice to see you on the forums, keep on living oil free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only risk Rick Wagoner should be talking about is the risk of GM losing customers and market share if they don&#8217;t build the Volt.<br />
Doug (comment#4) always nice to see you on the forums, keep on living oil free.</p>
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