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	<title>Comments on: Toyota Makes a U-Turn on Plug-in Lithium-ion Hybrids</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/15/toyota-makes-a-u-turn-on-plug-in-lithium-ion-hybrids/#comment-27517</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps, my 1st paragraph should/sentence I didn&#039;t finish... it should say &quot;... just like the AMT threadhold should have been as well.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps, my 1st paragraph should/sentence I didn&#8217;t finish&#8230; it should say &#8220;&#8230; just like the AMT threadhold should have been as well.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/15/toyota-makes-a-u-turn-on-plug-in-lithium-ion-hybrids/#comment-27516</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the Federal gas tax, the real problem has been that when the tax was originally instituted it should have been indexed yearly for inflation, just like the AMT threadhold.

As for State level gas taxes... I&#039;ve been a proponent for years to phase out my State&#039;s toll system and instead phase in an increase for the net revenue lost....

... this has two benefits.  1st it gets rid of the overhead of maintaining the infrastructure, the toll collectors, bean counters, etc.  2nd it saves gas and vehicle emmisions from vehicles idling during rush hour.  There&#039;s actually a 3rd benefit as well... in my State we&#039;ve had some serious fatal car accidents at toll booths.

Instead of raising the Federal gas tax, just get rid of the tax credits and giveaways we&#039;ve been giving to big oil/gas and use that money saved to put into fixing our national roads and bridges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the Federal gas tax, the real problem has been that when the tax was originally instituted it should have been indexed yearly for inflation, just like the AMT threadhold.</p>
<p>As for State level gas taxes&#8230; I&#8217;ve been a proponent for years to phase out my State&#8217;s toll system and instead phase in an increase for the net revenue lost&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230; this has two benefits.  1st it gets rid of the overhead of maintaining the infrastructure, the toll collectors, bean counters, etc.  2nd it saves gas and vehicle emmisions from vehicles idling during rush hour.  There&#8217;s actually a 3rd benefit as well&#8230; in my State we&#8217;ve had some serious fatal car accidents at toll booths.</p>
<p>Instead of raising the Federal gas tax, just get rid of the tax credits and giveaways we&#8217;ve been giving to big oil/gas and use that money saved to put into fixing our national roads and bridges.</p>
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		<title>By: Space Kimchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Space Kimchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great, the company that has been bashing Li-Ion and crushing EVs is telling me to hate their competitor because they changed their mind about something, awesome. Seriously, GM, play nice, you&#039;re not winning any points by slinging mud like this is some kind of political campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great, the company that has been bashing Li-Ion and crushing EVs is telling me to hate their competitor because they changed their mind about something, awesome. Seriously, GM, play nice, you&#8217;re not winning any points by slinging mud like this is some kind of political campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Charles Jacquemin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Charles Jacquemin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark in WI #18

Sorry Mark, I&#039;m a frenchspeaking belgian and my working langage is 25% english, 75% french so sometimes I forget when posting that some readers do not read french.

So in nmy posts on the plug-in Prius in French, the most important informations I was referring to were :
1. Some true Toyata plus-in Priuses are in France since september 2007 beind tested on European roads.
2. They are in the EDF vehicle fleet (EDF is  one of the most important electricity suppliers in Western Europe particularly in France, Belgium and Spain).
3. EDF has developped public quick charging stations that they use in the tests.
4. They intend to report tests results in 2008 and progress towards an effective implementation of public charging stations in several countries of the European Union.

By the way to add to the french site I am referring to , this is a new one :
http://www.lecho.be/article/La_voiture_ecologique_REVA_disponible_sur_le_marche_belge.6055326
We learned on TV yesterday that the REVA is on sale in Belgium, it is a plug-in on acid lead batteries with a range of 80 kms (more or less 55 miles), with a max speed of 55 mph. Recharge time is 8h for a full charge but they sat that after 2 hours the battery is 80% charged.

It costs 14,900 € (20K US $) and a lot of interested people fear about the battery. Reva says it will use Li-ion batteries next year and they intend to build a factory in UK produce 30,000 Reva&#039;s a year because even if people do not like the acid lead batteries, the demand is increasing rapidly especially as the second car of urban families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark in WI #18</p>
<p>Sorry Mark, I&#8217;m a frenchspeaking belgian and my working langage is 25% english, 75% french so sometimes I forget when posting that some readers do not read french.</p>
<p>So in nmy posts on the plug-in Prius in French, the most important informations I was referring to were :<br />
1. Some true Toyata plus-in Priuses are in France since september 2007 beind tested on European roads.<br />
2. They are in the EDF vehicle fleet (EDF is  one of the most important electricity suppliers in Western Europe particularly in France, Belgium and Spain).<br />
3. EDF has developped public quick charging stations that they use in the tests.<br />
4. They intend to report tests results in 2008 and progress towards an effective implementation of public charging stations in several countries of the European Union.</p>
<p>By the way to add to the french site I am referring to , this is a new one :<br />
<a href="http://www.lecho.be/article/La_voiture_ecologique_REVA_disponible_sur_le_marche_belge.6055326" rel="nofollow">http://www.lecho.be/article/La_voiture_ecologique_REVA_disponible_sur_le_marche_belge.6055326</a><br />
We learned on TV yesterday that the REVA is on sale in Belgium, it is a plug-in on acid lead batteries with a range of 80 kms (more or less 55 miles), with a max speed of 55 mph. Recharge time is 8h for a full charge but they sat that after 2 hours the battery is 80% charged.</p>
<p>It costs 14,900 € (20K US $) and a lot of interested people fear about the battery. Reva says it will use Li-ion batteries next year and they intend to build a factory in UK produce 30,000 Reva&#8217;s a year because even if people do not like the acid lead batteries, the demand is increasing rapidly especially as the second car of urban families.</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn, Tim, Rashiid &amp; Drake:

I agree as well.  Sorry to repeat myself, but I highly recommend &quot;Blowback&quot;, The Sorrows of Empire&quot;, and &quot;Nemesis&quot;, by Professor Chalmers Johnson.  He lays it all out in terms that even I can understand.

This may be pushing the envelope of the Volt blog, but Prof. Johnson makes it crystal clear that the issue you all raise threatens the very future of our (at least once) great nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, Tim, Rashiid &amp; Drake:</p>
<p>I agree as well.  Sorry to repeat myself, but I highly recommend &#8220;Blowback&#8221;, The Sorrows of Empire&#8221;, and &#8220;Nemesis&#8221;, by Professor Chalmers Johnson.  He lays it all out in terms that even I can understand.</p>
<p>This may be pushing the envelope of the Volt blog, but Prof. Johnson makes it crystal clear that the issue you all raise threatens the very future of our (at least once) great nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Drake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen, Tim &amp; Rashiid - I couldn&#039;t agree more.

May all of our unwise politicians be replaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen, Tim &amp; Rashiid &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>May all of our unwise politicians be replaced.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashiid Amul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashiid Amul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26  Glenn,

Just think if we spent $trillion dollars curing cancer, AIDS, getting off oil, etc.
A Trillion dollars can go a long way.  Instead, look where we are.  Spending all of this money in the Middle East.  Great.....Just great.  More taxes kills our economy, not help it.  The US government gets enough of my money to waste.  They don&#039;t need any more of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26  Glenn,</p>
<p>Just think if we spent $trillion dollars curing cancer, AIDS, getting off oil, etc.<br />
A Trillion dollars can go a long way.  Instead, look where we are.  Spending all of this money in the Middle East.  Great&#8230;..Just great.  More taxes kills our economy, not help it.  The US government gets enough of my money to waste.  They don&#8217;t need any more of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn (#26), EXACTLY my point.

Freedom vs Control.

CHOOSE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn (#26), EXACTLY my point.</p>
<p>Freedom vs Control.</p>
<p>CHOOSE!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 Tim

&quot;Why doesn’t Congress simply have the courage to stop wasting $Trillions each year on maintaining &amp; building the global US Empire?&quot;

My hope is that when the US demand for oil drops due to these new technologies, our &#039;need&#039; to have an empire will diminish, even vanish.

Just think if we spent trillions on becoming truly fossil fuel independent instead of clinging to the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 Tim</p>
<p>&#8220;Why doesn’t Congress simply have the courage to stop wasting $Trillions each year on maintaining &amp; building the global US Empire?&#8221;</p>
<p>My hope is that when the US demand for oil drops due to these new technologies, our &#8216;need&#8217; to have an empire will diminish, even vanish.</p>
<p>Just think if we spent trillions on becoming truly fossil fuel independent instead of clinging to the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: john1701a</title>
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		<dc:creator>john1701a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;27259&quot;]Toyota will only have a 7-mile range and consumers won&#039;t be able to buy them in any case.[/quote]

That isn&#039;t constructive.

The testing mule has the 7-mile range using current NiMH, not the proposed production model which is intended to use Li-Ion.

Of course, comparison by range alone makes no sense anyway.  FULL hybrids don&#039;t have the same purpose as a vehicle like Volt.  The extra capacity delivers a MPG BOOST, not just electric-only operation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="27259"]Toyota will only have a 7-mile range and consumers won&#8217;t be able to buy them in any case.[/quote]</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t constructive.</p>
<p>The testing mule has the 7-mile range using current NiMH, not the proposed production model which is intended to use Li-Ion.</p>
<p>Of course, comparison by range alone makes no sense anyway.  FULL hybrids don&#8217;t have the same purpose as a vehicle like Volt.  The extra capacity delivers a MPG BOOST, not just electric-only operation.</p>
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