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		<title>By: Volt and the GM Opel Flextreme &#171; Thar Be Dragons</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/14/saturn-flextreme-e-flex-concept-vehicle/#comment-55286</link>
		<dc:creator>Volt and the GM Opel Flextreme &#171; Thar Be Dragons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Saturn has announced a (concept) version. I would not be surprised if GM is allow this to slip to allocate resources to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GM-VOLT : Chevy Volt Concept Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GM Would Share Volt E-Flex Technology Among Brands</title>
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		<dc:creator>GM-VOLT : Chevy Volt Concept Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GM Would Share Volt E-Flex Technology Among Brands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] E-Flex technology.  This shouldn&#8217;t of course surprise us as GM has indeed already shown us Saturn Flextreme and Cadillac Provoq [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] E-Flex technology.  This shouldn&#8217;t of course surprise us as GM has indeed already shown us Saturn Flextreme and Cadillac Provoq [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/14/saturn-flextreme-e-flex-concept-vehicle/#comment-29572</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey i really like the look and what i have read about this car and i really want 1 i just have 1 question can anyone tell me the cost?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey i really like the look and what i have read about this car and i really want 1 i just have 1 question can anyone tell me the cost?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/14/saturn-flextreme-e-flex-concept-vehicle/#comment-29571</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey i really lie the look and what i have read about this car and i really want 1 i just have 1 question can anyone tell me the cost?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey i really lie the look and what i have read about this car and i really want 1 i just have 1 question can anyone tell me the cost?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: dsg</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/14/saturn-flextreme-e-flex-concept-vehicle/#comment-29263</link>
		<dc:creator>dsg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how much is the flextreme??

anonymous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how much is the flextreme??</p>
<p>anonymous</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Mortland</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/14/saturn-flextreme-e-flex-concept-vehicle/#comment-28290</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Mortland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, I&#039;m disappointed that GM isn&#039;t bringing over the small European diesels, specifically the Opels. 

Diesel fuel has a bad rep, but the new technologies allow it to burn clean and efficiently. I have a VW Jetta that my best ever was 58.2MPG. We could make huge strides in fuel economy if we wer to bring over small diesels. 

And I can only imagine fuel economy if we were to tie it to a hybrid drivetrain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I&#8217;m disappointed that GM isn&#8217;t bringing over the small European diesels, specifically the Opels. </p>
<p>Diesel fuel has a bad rep, but the new technologies allow it to burn clean and efficiently. I have a VW Jetta that my best ever was 58.2MPG. We could make huge strides in fuel economy if we wer to bring over small diesels. </p>
<p>And I can only imagine fuel economy if we were to tie it to a hybrid drivetrain.</p>
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		<title>By: Volt Enthusiast 1st hand report of visit to the Warehouse - PriusChat Forums</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/14/saturn-flextreme-e-flex-concept-vehicle/#comment-27963</link>
		<dc:creator>Volt Enthusiast 1st hand report of visit to the Warehouse - PriusChat Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Re: Volt Enthusiast 1st hand report of visit to the Warehouse   Lutz says he&#039;d like to have mule for test drives by Easter more like June. Easter is Mid March this year. June is, well a few months after that. If you expand the ratio they&#039;d like to have the Volt ready by 2010 but more like......?  Click &quot;home&quot; and you get this:  From Lutz:  &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Re: Volt Enthusiast 1st hand report of visit to the Warehouse   Lutz says he&#8217;d like to have mule for test drives by Easter more like June. Easter is Mid March this year. June is, well a few months after that. If you expand the ratio they&#8217;d like to have the Volt ready by 2010 but more like&#8230;&#8230;?  Click &quot;home&quot; and you get this:  From Lutz:  &quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Kermit</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/14/saturn-flextreme-e-flex-concept-vehicle/#comment-27812</link>
		<dc:creator>Kermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a side note it would be nice if the sound system is completely ipod capable. In other wise you plug it in not depend on bluetooth or wireless connection. CD&#039;s are going the way of the dinasaurs. 

No need for segways especially if it jacks up the price. Of course it needs to meet all 50 states emission standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a side note it would be nice if the sound system is completely ipod capable. In other wise you plug it in not depend on bluetooth or wireless connection. CD&#8217;s are going the way of the dinasaurs. </p>
<p>No need for segways especially if it jacks up the price. Of course it needs to meet all 50 states emission standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/14/saturn-flextreme-e-flex-concept-vehicle/#comment-27692</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One consequence of an electric drive is the flexibility of layout for whatever is used as the generator.  There is no need to carefully engineer driveshaft and transmission paths, since the mechanical energy is not needed to propel the vehicle directly.  I would expect this to make switching generator types much less of a headache for automakers than is the case for optional engines today:  making the diesel or gas generator (or something else!) almost a plug-in item for any of the GM flexible-hybrid variants.  

Has anybody looked into tiny turbine-generators?

Here&#039;s another thought:  electric drive also allows for auxiliary, &quot;helper&quot; charging schemes, such as thermoelectric co-generation (using heat from the engine to produce electricity directly), or solar cells on the roof (much preferable to that solar-oven greenhouse on the Flextreme).

My daily commute is longer than 34 miles, and covers a large mix of road-types.  It would be useful to me if the hybrid could somehow know (via GPS?) when it is getting on a high-speed, limited access highway to automatically start the engine, rather than using up the battery in the morning and then cranking the engine to come home.  Or maybe the engine could be set to come on whenever the vehicle tops a certain speed (as an option to stretch electrical endurance).  Or, maybe just a &quot;turn on engine now&quot; button.

It might not be too soon to start asking employers what their stand might be on charging employees&#039; plug-ins at work.  By reducing their fuel bill, it would amount to a (mostly) free raise, and they could claim &quot;green consciousness.&quot;

As someone said above, the real deal is strategic, not environmental: if you want to travel today, you MUST use oil. Breaking this dependency could change everything. 

Perhaps the environmental issue is more of a chicken-and-egg thing: with a large fleet of electric cars, there&#039;d be more incentive to use them as load levellers for the electric power industry (since they&#039;d be mostly charged at night); &quot;baseline&quot; electrical capacity is less likely to need petroleum than peak-generation capcacity. Large, more efficient power plants would lead to better air quailty.  Also, increasing numbers of electric vehicles could drive electricity producers to consider green alternatives more quickly.

Instead of Segways, how about an auxiliary lithium battery to bring the electric-only range up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One consequence of an electric drive is the flexibility of layout for whatever is used as the generator.  There is no need to carefully engineer driveshaft and transmission paths, since the mechanical energy is not needed to propel the vehicle directly.  I would expect this to make switching generator types much less of a headache for automakers than is the case for optional engines today:  making the diesel or gas generator (or something else!) almost a plug-in item for any of the GM flexible-hybrid variants.  </p>
<p>Has anybody looked into tiny turbine-generators?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another thought:  electric drive also allows for auxiliary, &#8220;helper&#8221; charging schemes, such as thermoelectric co-generation (using heat from the engine to produce electricity directly), or solar cells on the roof (much preferable to that solar-oven greenhouse on the Flextreme).</p>
<p>My daily commute is longer than 34 miles, and covers a large mix of road-types.  It would be useful to me if the hybrid could somehow know (via GPS?) when it is getting on a high-speed, limited access highway to automatically start the engine, rather than using up the battery in the morning and then cranking the engine to come home.  Or maybe the engine could be set to come on whenever the vehicle tops a certain speed (as an option to stretch electrical endurance).  Or, maybe just a &#8220;turn on engine now&#8221; button.</p>
<p>It might not be too soon to start asking employers what their stand might be on charging employees&#8217; plug-ins at work.  By reducing their fuel bill, it would amount to a (mostly) free raise, and they could claim &#8220;green consciousness.&#8221;</p>
<p>As someone said above, the real deal is strategic, not environmental: if you want to travel today, you MUST use oil. Breaking this dependency could change everything. </p>
<p>Perhaps the environmental issue is more of a chicken-and-egg thing: with a large fleet of electric cars, there&#8217;d be more incentive to use them as load levellers for the electric power industry (since they&#8217;d be mostly charged at night); &#8220;baseline&#8221; electrical capacity is less likely to need petroleum than peak-generation capcacity. Large, more efficient power plants would lead to better air quailty.  Also, increasing numbers of electric vehicles could drive electricity producers to consider green alternatives more quickly.</p>
<p>Instead of Segways, how about an auxiliary lithium battery to bring the electric-only range up?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron is correct but there needs to be a bit of clarification.  Burn any fuel and you create CO2...biodiesel included.  However, since biodiesel is made from plants the life cycle makes it carbon neutral.  See the highlights below about biodiesel.  The comment that the electric car &quot;is living on coal&quot; is a misnomer.  All electricity production is not &#039;coal&#039; based.  Much of it comes from hydro, nuclear, wind and and in increasing quantities, solar.  Here in Michigan we have just had two huge wind farms installed that are producing enormous quantities of energy (Michigan is one of the major states where constant winds of 5mph or more blow consistently due to the Great Lakes).  Many people I know are installing solar energy panels and small windmills to create electricity for our homes.  So OUR electric cars will not be &#039;living on coal&#039;.  Here is the breakdown on biodiesel...it&#039;s a good read. 

The following provided by:

Journey to Forever website URL is included (http://journeytoforever.org/).

Using vegetable oils or animal fats as fuel for motor vehicles is in effect running them on solar energy. All biofuels, including ethanol, are derived from the conversion of sunlight to energy (carbohydrates) that takes place in the green leaves of plants.

Plants take up carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere; burning plant (or animal) products in an engine or burning it any other way releases the CO2 uptake back into the atmosphere, to be taken up again by other plants. The CO2 is recycled, atmospheric CO2 levels remain constant.

Thus biofuels do not increase global warming -- unlike fossil fuels, which release large amounts of new (or rather very old) CO2 which has been locked away from the atmosphere for aeons.

In fact biodiesel can actually help reduce CO2 levels in the atmosphere: for example, growing soybeans takes nearly four times as much CO2 out of the atmosphere as the amount of CO2 released in the exhaust from burning soybean oil biodiesel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron is correct but there needs to be a bit of clarification.  Burn any fuel and you create CO2&#8230;biodiesel included.  However, since biodiesel is made from plants the life cycle makes it carbon neutral.  See the highlights below about biodiesel.  The comment that the electric car &#8220;is living on coal&#8221; is a misnomer.  All electricity production is not &#8216;coal&#8217; based.  Much of it comes from hydro, nuclear, wind and and in increasing quantities, solar.  Here in Michigan we have just had two huge wind farms installed that are producing enormous quantities of energy (Michigan is one of the major states where constant winds of 5mph or more blow consistently due to the Great Lakes).  Many people I know are installing solar energy panels and small windmills to create electricity for our homes.  So OUR electric cars will not be &#8216;living on coal&#8217;.  Here is the breakdown on biodiesel&#8230;it&#8217;s a good read. </p>
<p>The following provided by:</p>
<p>Journey to Forever website URL is included (<a href="http://journeytoforever.org/)" rel="nofollow">http://journeytoforever.org/)</a>.</p>
<p>Using vegetable oils or animal fats as fuel for motor vehicles is in effect running them on solar energy. All biofuels, including ethanol, are derived from the conversion of sunlight to energy (carbohydrates) that takes place in the green leaves of plants.</p>
<p>Plants take up carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere; burning plant (or animal) products in an engine or burning it any other way releases the CO2 uptake back into the atmosphere, to be taken up again by other plants. The CO2 is recycled, atmospheric CO2 levels remain constant.</p>
<p>Thus biofuels do not increase global warming &#8212; unlike fossil fuels, which release large amounts of new (or rather very old) CO2 which has been locked away from the atmosphere for aeons.</p>
<p>In fact biodiesel can actually help reduce CO2 levels in the atmosphere: for example, growing soybeans takes nearly four times as much CO2 out of the atmosphere as the amount of CO2 released in the exhaust from burning soybean oil biodiesel.</p>
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