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	<title>Comments on: GM&#8217;s Troy Clarke:  Chevy Volt to become this Generation&#8217;s 57&#8242; Chevy</title>
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		<title>By: Eric E</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/14/gms-troy-clarke-chevy-volt-to-become-this-generations-57-chevy/#comment-38598</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole &quot;two-mode hybrid is good enough for bigger vehicles&quot; idea is a bunch of crap!  There is absolutely no reason they can&#039;t extend the E-Flex concept to larger family vehicles.  Actually, that age group is likely a big part of the coming PHEV and E-REV market.  
AFS Trinity didn&#039;t seem to have any problem getting 40 all electric rnage (AER) out of a Saturn VUE Plug-in Hybrid conversion with ultracaps and a lithium battery.

For those of you who haven&#039;t seen it here&#039;s the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jIaDv5qMaE 

I&#039;m betting they just want to see how the Volt sells before they start thinking about other body styles.

As far as premium price for early adoption of a new technology?  Duh, thats how it works folks.  I&#039;m the proud owner of a $700.00 HDDVD player thas currently worth $20.00, but me and my family have been enjoying true High-Definition movies for two years while our friends keep waiting for the price to drop.
If you want to be one of the first to drive 40 miles every day without a drop of gas in a well designed car by a major auto maker, if you want to help create demand that will ensure this technology stays and grows, if you want to be part of the solution...then you spend your money on a battery instead of oil/gas.

For me...$35,000.00 is a big stretch, BUT I don&#039;t want my 6 year old boy to ever have to drive a gas car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole &#8220;two-mode hybrid is good enough for bigger vehicles&#8221; idea is a bunch of crap!  There is absolutely no reason they can&#8217;t extend the E-Flex concept to larger family vehicles.  Actually, that age group is likely a big part of the coming PHEV and E-REV market.<br />
AFS Trinity didn&#8217;t seem to have any problem getting 40 all electric rnage (AER) out of a Saturn VUE Plug-in Hybrid conversion with ultracaps and a lithium battery.</p>
<p>For those of you who haven&#8217;t seen it here&#8217;s the link:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jIaDv5qMaE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jIaDv5qMaE</a> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m betting they just want to see how the Volt sells before they start thinking about other body styles.</p>
<p>As far as premium price for early adoption of a new technology?  Duh, thats how it works folks.  I&#8217;m the proud owner of a $700.00 HDDVD player thas currently worth $20.00, but me and my family have been enjoying true High-Definition movies for two years while our friends keep waiting for the price to drop.<br />
If you want to be one of the first to drive 40 miles every day without a drop of gas in a well designed car by a major auto maker, if you want to help create demand that will ensure this technology stays and grows, if you want to be part of the solution&#8230;then you spend your money on a battery instead of oil/gas.</p>
<p>For me&#8230;$35,000.00 is a big stretch, BUT I don&#8217;t want my 6 year old boy to ever have to drive a gas car.</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Van, #23:

Damn right!  I&#039;m right there with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Van, #23:</p>
<p>Damn right!  I&#8217;m right there with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Van</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2008/01/14/gms-troy-clarke-chevy-volt-to-become-this-generations-57-chevy/#comment-27298</link>
		<dc:creator>Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a young man, I bought (in 1962) a 1957 Chevy Belair Sport coupe, with 4 barrel carb and dual exhaust.  Best car I ever owned.  

Now wouldn&#039;t it be nice, if as an old man, I could buy an equally iconic vehicle?  You bet!  Go Volt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a young man, I bought (in 1962) a 1957 Chevy Belair Sport coupe, with 4 barrel carb and dual exhaust.  Best car I ever owned.  </p>
<p>Now wouldn&#8217;t it be nice, if as an old man, I could buy an equally iconic vehicle?  You bet!  Go Volt.</p>
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		<title>By: butters</title>
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		<dc:creator>butters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing about the Chevy Volt is a moon shot.  This is just another example of how the extreme leverage of global capitalism makes it easy for large corporations to avoid risk and hard for small businesses to capitalize on risk.  The result is an unproductive allocation of capital toward the same old vendors selling the same old stuff into the same old markets until they can no longer manufacture enough demand.  Then the government steps in and bails them out. 

The underlying premise of capitalism is that private enterprise is entitled to profit in exchange for taking risks that would be inappropriate to take with public money.  But the supply-side camp insists on subsidizing flawed business models and letting corporate lobbyists write legislation.  Why take risks when you can design your own loopholes and collect corporate welfare checks?  GM could ride the E85 CAFE loophole all the way to the bank.

The Volt is not a moon shot, it&#039;s just that GM so rarely takes significant risks that this one seems more extraordinary than it should be.  Finally this lumbering behemoth decides to allocate some capital toward something that should have been done many years ago.  Many small ventures have already proven the concept, but without billions of dollars, they&#039;re exercises in futility.  It&#039;s amazing what can belatedly happen when money is belatedly invested toward the right pursuits.

The Apollo program solved numerous major technological challenges that had never been addressed before.  The Volt is about commercializing existing technologies.  It&#039;s just as much of a moon shot as it would be if we were to go back to the moon today.  If we do that, we should send Bush.  He&#039;d look hilarious hopping around in his codpiece-enhanced spacesuit.  Houston, mission accomplished!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing about the Chevy Volt is a moon shot.  This is just another example of how the extreme leverage of global capitalism makes it easy for large corporations to avoid risk and hard for small businesses to capitalize on risk.  The result is an unproductive allocation of capital toward the same old vendors selling the same old stuff into the same old markets until they can no longer manufacture enough demand.  Then the government steps in and bails them out. </p>
<p>The underlying premise of capitalism is that private enterprise is entitled to profit in exchange for taking risks that would be inappropriate to take with public money.  But the supply-side camp insists on subsidizing flawed business models and letting corporate lobbyists write legislation.  Why take risks when you can design your own loopholes and collect corporate welfare checks?  GM could ride the E85 CAFE loophole all the way to the bank.</p>
<p>The Volt is not a moon shot, it&#8217;s just that GM so rarely takes significant risks that this one seems more extraordinary than it should be.  Finally this lumbering behemoth decides to allocate some capital toward something that should have been done many years ago.  Many small ventures have already proven the concept, but without billions of dollars, they&#8217;re exercises in futility.  It&#8217;s amazing what can belatedly happen when money is belatedly invested toward the right pursuits.</p>
<p>The Apollo program solved numerous major technological challenges that had never been addressed before.  The Volt is about commercializing existing technologies.  It&#8217;s just as much of a moon shot as it would be if we were to go back to the moon today.  If we do that, we should send Bush.  He&#8217;d look hilarious hopping around in his codpiece-enhanced spacesuit.  Houston, mission accomplished!</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M1EK, #19:

Oh oh, touched a nerve.  So sorry.

Actually, I have been accused here of being a Toyota fan for some of the positive things I have said about their business model.  Not so, however.

Monstrous misrepresentation?  You do me too much credit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M1EK, #19:</p>
<p>Oh oh, touched a nerve.  So sorry.</p>
<p>Actually, I have been accused here of being a Toyota fan for some of the positive things I have said about their business model.  Not so, however.</p>
<p>Monstrous misrepresentation?  You do me too much credit!</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave B, #17:

I&#039;m ready.  Where do we send the checks?  

I tried to send one to Lyle, figuring it might increase his leverage with GM if he was holding a few million $ in deposit checks, but he doesn&#039;t want to be their banker.  I can&#039;t think why.  

I tried to give one to my local dealer(s), but they looked at me like I was from the moon (no comments, please).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave B, #17:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m ready.  Where do we send the checks?  </p>
<p>I tried to send one to Lyle, figuring it might increase his leverage with GM if he was holding a few million $ in deposit checks, but he doesn&#8217;t want to be their banker.  I can&#8217;t think why.  </p>
<p>I tried to give one to my local dealer(s), but they looked at me like I was from the moon (no comments, please).</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;27056&quot;]Halo car for sure, actually an understatement.

Look what the Prius has done for Toyota.  It given Toyota priceless &quot;green&quot; and technological credibility.  It has also, as many here have pointed out, provided cover for monster Tundras and Sequoias, which are as big of gas guzzlers as anything GM sells.[/quote]

Equating the two in that way is just a monstrous misrepresentation. Toyota actually sells what people want - some people want big SUVs, and some people want small cars. GM, on the other hand, actively hates people who want small cars; and pushes for (and gets) tax breaks to make big SUVs even more artificially cheap than they were before through CAFE loopholes, depreciation rules, etc.

Not remotely the same thing, and you know it.

And we still have zero evidence that GM is really interested in the Volt as anything more than FUD. You know when we&#039;ll really know? When they start to sell the thing. At which point Toyota will have been selling hybrids for about fifteen years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="27056"]Halo car for sure, actually an understatement.</p>
<p>Look what the Prius has done for Toyota.  It given Toyota priceless &#8220;green&#8221; and technological credibility.  It has also, as many here have pointed out, provided cover for monster Tundras and Sequoias, which are as big of gas guzzlers as anything GM sells.[/quote]</p>
<p>Equating the two in that way is just a monstrous misrepresentation. Toyota actually sells what people want &#8211; some people want big SUVs, and some people want small cars. GM, on the other hand, actively hates people who want small cars; and pushes for (and gets) tax breaks to make big SUVs even more artificially cheap than they were before through CAFE loopholes, depreciation rules, etc.</p>
<p>Not remotely the same thing, and you know it.</p>
<p>And we still have zero evidence that GM is really interested in the Volt as anything more than FUD. You know when we&#8217;ll really know? When they start to sell the thing. At which point Toyota will have been selling hybrids for about fifteen years.</p>
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		<title>By: OhmExcited</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhmExcited</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A possible bigger price for early adopters will be charged by the the dealers. For hot cars in short supply (once PT Cruiser and Mini Cooper, etc) they can charge thousands extra in order to get it now, or take a pre-paid deposit to be put on a waiting list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A possible bigger price for early adopters will be charged by the the dealers. For hot cars in short supply (once PT Cruiser and Mini Cooper, etc) they can charge thousands extra in order to get it now, or take a pre-paid deposit to be put on a waiting list.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best way GM could avoid gouging and the appearance of it--and let&#039;s face it, it&#039;s the dealers that pocket that money, is to go ahead and start taking reservations, even though we do not yet know what the actual price is going to be.

Of course these would be refundable, but duh, GM could profit the interest... Plus, GM needs to know just how many of these puppies they are going to sell.  Sure worked well for the Tesla Roadster.  No question exactly how much production is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best way GM could avoid gouging and the appearance of it&#8211;and let&#8217;s face it, it&#8217;s the dealers that pocket that money, is to go ahead and start taking reservations, even though we do not yet know what the actual price is going to be.</p>
<p>Of course these would be refundable, but duh, GM could profit the interest&#8230; Plus, GM needs to know just how many of these puppies they are going to sell.  Sure worked well for the Tesla Roadster.  No question exactly how much production is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
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		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaV8or, #7:

Exactly.

The idea of charging a higher price to the &quot;early adopters&quot; of new products is a time honored marketing strategy dating back into ancient history.

How about people camping out all night to get the latest whiz bang electronic gadget?  The Corvette ZR-1 was so hot it sold for $20K over sticker and more for a while, until they got enough built to cool off the market.  It&#039;s a fact of life.

It&#039;s just a balancing act for the marketers to &quot;skim&quot; the maximum profit from the &quot;early adopters&quot; without alienating them to the point that they wait it out.

I want so badly to make a statement about technology, oil independence and, call me a sap if you want, saving US jobs, that I will buy one early on, knowing full well that the price will fall and reliability will improve over time.  Just don&#039;t push me too hard, or I will quickly find the will power to wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaV8or, #7:</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>The idea of charging a higher price to the &#8220;early adopters&#8221; of new products is a time honored marketing strategy dating back into ancient history.</p>
<p>How about people camping out all night to get the latest whiz bang electronic gadget?  The Corvette ZR-1 was so hot it sold for $20K over sticker and more for a while, until they got enough built to cool off the market.  It&#8217;s a fact of life.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a balancing act for the marketers to &#8220;skim&#8221; the maximum profit from the &#8220;early adopters&#8221; without alienating them to the point that they wait it out.</p>
<p>I want so badly to make a statement about technology, oil independence and, call me a sap if you want, saving US jobs, that I will buy one early on, knowing full well that the price will fall and reliability will improve over time.  Just don&#8217;t push me too hard, or I will quickly find the will power to wait.</p>
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