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	<title>Comments on: Lutz Now 95% Confident Volt will be Built, 55% Confident it will Arrive in 2010</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
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		<description>Watching CNBC today... GM&#039;s stock price is down today, with the reason cited being GM&#039;s Wagner saying something about the Volt not likely to start production in 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching CNBC today&#8230; GM&#8217;s stock price is down today, with the reason cited being GM&#8217;s Wagner saying something about the Volt not likely to start production in 2010</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>statik 39. where is it that you get the idea that i called you a troll?  i asked you to stop throwing out a year of 2012 as being the earliest anyone will be able to buy a &quot;shiny new volt&quot;, as you put it.  and simply asked that you stop being &quot;troll like&quot;, by making such a statement.  
i still see nothing in your post that says anyone at gm is giving 2012 as the year the volt hits the streets.  

so, until you give me such a quote (and even if you do, it would have to be by several people at gm, and recently), i will again ask you to stop making such a &quot;troll like statement&quot;.

and please, as i said earlier, take a look at the latest threads wherein the gm team states that the volt is right on track, i.e. production by the end or 2010.

however, i am certain that the volt will be produced Before the end of 2010, but that is my Opinion, lol...

btw, i&#039;m not looking for you to do anything, such as apologize later, or eat humble pie.  i could really care less.  but i would appreciate it if you stop throwing out the year 2012 when there is no evidence to support your statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>statik 39. where is it that you get the idea that i called you a troll?  i asked you to stop throwing out a year of 2012 as being the earliest anyone will be able to buy a &#8220;shiny new volt&#8221;, as you put it.  and simply asked that you stop being &#8220;troll like&#8221;, by making such a statement.<br />
i still see nothing in your post that says anyone at gm is giving 2012 as the year the volt hits the streets.  </p>
<p>so, until you give me such a quote (and even if you do, it would have to be by several people at gm, and recently), i will again ask you to stop making such a &#8220;troll like statement&#8221;.</p>
<p>and please, as i said earlier, take a look at the latest threads wherein the gm team states that the volt is right on track, i.e. production by the end or 2010.</p>
<p>however, i am certain that the volt will be produced Before the end of 2010, but that is my Opinion, lol&#8230;</p>
<p>btw, i&#8217;m not looking for you to do anything, such as apologize later, or eat humble pie.  i could really care less.  but i would appreciate it if you stop throwing out the year 2012 when there is no evidence to support your statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Statik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Statik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said they were managing our expectations backwards as the calender progresses (I never ever mentioned that GM said dates before 2009).  Here are some quotes (from this site) for you where I feel GM is pushing out my expectations:

Dec 20th 2007:  Lutz Now 95% Confident Volt will be Built, 55% Confident it will Arrive in 2010

Nov 16th, 2007: He (Lutz) is quoted as saying the Volt team said “2010 is an impossible target”.

Aug 22, 2007 (Bloomberg):-- General Motors Corp. may build as many as 60,000 of its Volt electric cars for their inaugural year on the market, four times the sales of Toyota Motor Corp.&#039;s hybrid Prius in its U.S. debut, people with knowledge of GM&#039;s plans said. 

July 4th, 2007, he (Lutz) was quoted as saying...GM had probably spent “at this point” $100 million, “but ramping up very fast as it becomes a high-priority product for launch in ‘10.” 

June 18th, 2007: (Bloomberg) GM&#039;s initial goal of selling 1,000 Volts by the end of the decade hinges on developing a reliable, long-lasting battery

May 7th, 2007: Larry Burns gave an interview to Automotive News in which he elaborated on some details of the Volt’s production process and plans.  As per the typical GM production process, from the point the Volt is currently at, it should take sbout 36 months for the first Volts to roll off the production line. Thats May 2010 for those keeping score

Tues, Mar 6th, 2007: Working prototype by end of 2007.  

Just because my opinion is different than yours is no reason to call me a troll.  I want a Volt in my driveway.  I currently feel like I am being manipulated.  That is my opinion.  You are entitled to yours.  

Bookmark me this if you like and throw it back at me when you are sitting behind the wheel of your new Volt, I&#039;ll gladly offer my sincerest apologies to you and GM and eat humble pie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said they were managing our expectations backwards as the calender progresses (I never ever mentioned that GM said dates before 2009).  Here are some quotes (from this site) for you where I feel GM is pushing out my expectations:</p>
<p>Dec 20th 2007:  Lutz Now 95% Confident Volt will be Built, 55% Confident it will Arrive in 2010</p>
<p>Nov 16th, 2007: He (Lutz) is quoted as saying the Volt team said “2010 is an impossible target”.</p>
<p>Aug 22, 2007 (Bloomberg):&#8211; General Motors Corp. may build as many as 60,000 of its Volt electric cars for their inaugural year on the market, four times the sales of Toyota Motor Corp.&#8217;s hybrid Prius in its U.S. debut, people with knowledge of GM&#8217;s plans said. </p>
<p>July 4th, 2007, he (Lutz) was quoted as saying&#8230;GM had probably spent “at this point” $100 million, “but ramping up very fast as it becomes a high-priority product for launch in ‘10.” </p>
<p>June 18th, 2007: (Bloomberg) GM&#8217;s initial goal of selling 1,000 Volts by the end of the decade hinges on developing a reliable, long-lasting battery</p>
<p>May 7th, 2007: Larry Burns gave an interview to Automotive News in which he elaborated on some details of the Volt’s production process and plans.  As per the typical GM production process, from the point the Volt is currently at, it should take sbout 36 months for the first Volts to roll off the production line. Thats May 2010 for those keeping score</p>
<p>Tues, Mar 6th, 2007: Working prototype by end of 2007.  </p>
<p>Just because my opinion is different than yours is no reason to call me a troll.  I want a Volt in my driveway.  I currently feel like I am being manipulated.  That is my opinion.  You are entitled to yours.  </p>
<p>Bookmark me this if you like and throw it back at me when you are sitting behind the wheel of your new Volt, I&#8217;ll gladly offer my sincerest apologies to you and GM and eat humble pie.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>statik,  what?  i never did say You said pre 2010.  u said gm said dates before 2010 and then gm moved those dates out.  there is No evidence to support your statements.

And, i have never heard any one at gm push the date out to 2012.  

we don&#039;t need your sarcism, or your new thread. what we need is for trolls, and others who act like them, to knock it off with that 2012 bullsh*t, unless you&#039;ve got something you can quote to back it up.

and just for reference, check the threads a couple of days from this one and notice that the volt &quot;team&quot; says the volt is still on track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>statik,  what?  i never did say You said pre 2010.  u said gm said dates before 2010 and then gm moved those dates out.  there is No evidence to support your statements.</p>
<p>And, i have never heard any one at gm push the date out to 2012.  </p>
<p>we don&#8217;t need your sarcism, or your new thread. what we need is for trolls, and others who act like them, to knock it off with that 2012 bullsh*t, unless you&#8217;ve got something you can quote to back it up.</p>
<p>and just for reference, check the threads a couple of days from this one and notice that the volt &#8220;team&#8221; says the volt is still on track.</p>
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		<title>By: Statik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Statik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well James,  I never said it was ever pre-2010.

I can&#039;t go back and say here is where Lutz said the car would be released in 2010, because I never had.  If you read my post it says GM is &#039;managing expectations&#039;.  

And by managing I mean, check what everyone was saying about the release date when this site first opened and after the &#039;buzz&#039; when GM first said it was going to actually build this car 6 months ago...

Then have a look what they were saying 3 months ago after Lutz gave his &#039;2010 November hopefully in production&#039; spiel.  

Now look at the sentiment today after his 95% production 55% in 2010 speech.

I am no troll, I want one of these cars, I just don&#039;t like getting &#039;handled&#039;  Of course everyone should be accountable for their words, so maybe I&#039;ll start a thread where people can &#039;guess-timate&#039; when they will get their shiney new Volt...and we will let time tell who is the wiser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well James,  I never said it was ever pre-2010.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t go back and say here is where Lutz said the car would be released in 2010, because I never had.  If you read my post it says GM is &#8216;managing expectations&#8217;.  </p>
<p>And by managing I mean, check what everyone was saying about the release date when this site first opened and after the &#8216;buzz&#8217; when GM first said it was going to actually build this car 6 months ago&#8230;</p>
<p>Then have a look what they were saying 3 months ago after Lutz gave his &#8216;2010 November hopefully in production&#8217; spiel.  </p>
<p>Now look at the sentiment today after his 95% production 55% in 2010 speech.</p>
<p>I am no troll, I want one of these cars, I just don&#8217;t like getting &#8216;handled&#8217;  Of course everyone should be accountable for their words, so maybe I&#8217;ll start a thread where people can &#8216;guess-timate&#8217; when they will get their shiney new Volt&#8230;and we will let time tell who is the wiser.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe 34.  you pretty much got it right!


statik 35.  you got most of it wrong.
please give me some dates wherein gm said the volt was going to be on the road before 2010 and then pushed it out.  and please screw off with that 2012 bullsh*t, nobodies using that date, except the trolls, lol...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe 34.  you pretty much got it right!</p>
<p>statik 35.  you got most of it wrong.<br />
please give me some dates wherein gm said the volt was going to be on the road before 2010 and then pushed it out.  and please screw off with that 2012 bullsh*t, nobodies using that date, except the trolls, lol&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Statik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Statik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure everyone thinks it &#039;will&#039; be built.  But the 2010 date has always been BS. 

If you have been following this from the beginning you can see how GM is &#039;managing&#039; the public&#039;s expectations here, gently pushing expectations farther and farther out.

They always represent that the car is  three years out.  Early in the year the consensus was  solid 2010.  Couple months ago we were told &#039;late 2010&#039; (November).  Now at year end we are &#039;55% in 2010&#039;, with &#039;...won&#039;t be a flawless launch&#039;

People also forget that to make good on their release date, they don&#039;t have to get 60,000 Volts out or have one in your local showroom...all they have to do is get a couple hundred cars out to say we made our goal, then ramp up the next year.  They can&#039;t even do that.

It&#039;s going to be 2012 before anyone here is driving around in a shiney new Volt (except for maybe Lyle).  

Don&#039;t worry GM I&#039;ll still be here...as long as no one else delivers a 4 seater first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure everyone thinks it &#8216;will&#8217; be built.  But the 2010 date has always been BS. </p>
<p>If you have been following this from the beginning you can see how GM is &#8216;managing&#8217; the public&#8217;s expectations here, gently pushing expectations farther and farther out.</p>
<p>They always represent that the car is  three years out.  Early in the year the consensus was  solid 2010.  Couple months ago we were told &#8216;late 2010&#8242; (November).  Now at year end we are &#8216;55% in 2010&#8242;, with &#8216;&#8230;won&#8217;t be a flawless launch&#8217;</p>
<p>People also forget that to make good on their release date, they don&#8217;t have to get 60,000 Volts out or have one in your local showroom&#8230;all they have to do is get a couple hundred cars out to say we made our goal, then ramp up the next year.  They can&#8217;t even do that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be 2012 before anyone here is driving around in a shiney new Volt (except for maybe Lyle).  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry GM I&#8217;ll still be here&#8230;as long as no one else delivers a 4 seater first.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The EV1 was a good test-bed for the Volt. Components from it could be improved and used for the Volt. Like somebody mentioned, The GM flex-fuel cars has many components ready made for the Volt. GE would be a great company to work with for the electric motor and motor control. I bet there are many deals and contracts made behind the scene that are kept confidential. I also believe GM could have an earlier date than 2010 for producing this car, just to fool it&#039;s competitors. What a pleasant surprise that would be? These are all unknowns. Don&#039;t forget,this is the most important project in GM&#039;s history!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The EV1 was a good test-bed for the Volt. Components from it could be improved and used for the Volt. Like somebody mentioned, The GM flex-fuel cars has many components ready made for the Volt. GE would be a great company to work with for the electric motor and motor control. I bet there are many deals and contracts made behind the scene that are kept confidential. I also believe GM could have an earlier date than 2010 for producing this car, just to fool it&#8217;s competitors. What a pleasant surprise that would be? These are all unknowns. Don&#8217;t forget,this is the most important project in GM&#8217;s history!</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guy 32.  you&#039;re not taking responsibility for your actions when you try to justify them by saying &quot;she did this&quot; first.  did she hurt your iddy biddy feelings?

btw, she did not &quot;go off&quot; on you.  and she definitely didn&#039;t deserve (or use any language like) F*CK YOU to be thrown at her by the likes of a big pussy like you, lol...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guy 32.  you&#8217;re not taking responsibility for your actions when you try to justify them by saying &#8220;she did this&#8221; first.  did she hurt your iddy biddy feelings?</p>
<p>btw, she did not &#8220;go off&#8221; on you.  and she definitely didn&#8217;t deserve (or use any language like) F*CK YOU to be thrown at her by the likes of a big pussy like you, lol&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Incognito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Incognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;20907&quot;]james said &amp; Herkimer quoted:
btw guy, aren&#039;t you the same one who wrote &quot;FUCK YOU&quot; to some nice young lady on here a few days back?[/quote]
That I was.
Lauren RS did&#039;nt like my comments about Bob Lutz so she went off on me.
I told her where to go.
Make no mistakes about it, I ALWAYS take resposibility for my actions.
My offending post was deleted, as it should have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="20907"]james said &amp; Herkimer quoted:<br />
btw guy, aren&#8217;t you the same one who wrote &#8220;FUCK YOU&#8221; to some nice young lady on here a few days back?[/quote]<br />
That I was.<br />
Lauren RS did&#8217;nt like my comments about Bob Lutz so she went off on me.<br />
I told her where to go.<br />
Make no mistakes about it, I ALWAYS take resposibility for my actions.<br />
My offending post was deleted, as it should have been.</p>
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