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	<title>Comments on: GM&#8217;s Brand New E-Flex Design Center</title>
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		<title>By: Eisemann-Theater.com</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/12/11/gms-brand-new-e-flex-design-center/#comment-19386</link>
		<dc:creator>Eisemann-Theater.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know some car companies have functional ports.

IE to re-duct air so that area of the car does not have to deflect it. 

They could take the air from the grill and re-duct it out the sides etc.

I know Porsche models did this with air cooling and then let it escape.

I suspect the air drag and the efficiently of re-genera rating electricity from a turbine would be less than just making it more aerodynamic.

The only effect of wind generation would be going down hill but then you could use effective breaking regeneration.

I know the new solar panels are now 30% + so that would be a good idea for those who park there cars outside at work.  After working 8 hours at work or so you would have a nice trickle charge.

I also think that the plug idea is not the best to recharge at home.  An induction pad on your driveway.   A simple coil pad and a coil pad on the car, when the pad is sensed a simple motor raises it to the car.  This would improve efficiently of the pad as the distance from the charge pad has to be minimized..  This is like your electric tooth brush.  So you drive your car over the pad.  A green light lights up in the car saying it’s charging.  No finding the plug in the cold and no worries when you are a rush.

I have not studied this that carefully just some ideas?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know some car companies have functional ports.</p>
<p>IE to re-duct air so that area of the car does not have to deflect it. </p>
<p>They could take the air from the grill and re-duct it out the sides etc.</p>
<p>I know Porsche models did this with air cooling and then let it escape.</p>
<p>I suspect the air drag and the efficiently of re-genera rating electricity from a turbine would be less than just making it more aerodynamic.</p>
<p>The only effect of wind generation would be going down hill but then you could use effective breaking regeneration.</p>
<p>I know the new solar panels are now 30% + so that would be a good idea for those who park there cars outside at work.  After working 8 hours at work or so you would have a nice trickle charge.</p>
<p>I also think that the plug idea is not the best to recharge at home.  An induction pad on your driveway.   A simple coil pad and a coil pad on the car, when the pad is sensed a simple motor raises it to the car.  This would improve efficiently of the pad as the distance from the charge pad has to be minimized..  This is like your electric tooth brush.  So you drive your car over the pad.  A green light lights up in the car saying it’s charging.  No finding the plug in the cold and no worries when you are a rush.</p>
<p>I have not studied this that carefully just some ideas?</p>
<p>G</p>
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		<title>By: Grizzly</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/12/11/gms-brand-new-e-flex-design-center/#comment-19195</link>
		<dc:creator>Grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim I Says:
December 12th, 2007 at 9:14 am Quote


I can not imagine why you would not want to plug in this vehicle, as that is the main design feature. If that is your situation, you would really be better suited to a hybrid vehicle instead of an E-REV.

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For commuting, I would have to agree.  However, there are many including myself that like to take road trips and if that&#039;s the case, the ICE will run, and run a lot.

I was puzzled as to why GM referred to the ICE/genset as &quot;emergency&quot;.  If you use the vehicle for commuting in the most efficient way, then maybe.  But, if you want to take a road trip I sure hope it&#039;s not &quot;emergency&quot;.
That tends to imply that it&#039;s not made to run for long periods and I hope that&#039;s not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim I Says:<br />
December 12th, 2007 at 9:14 am Quote</p>
<p>I can not imagine why you would not want to plug in this vehicle, as that is the main design feature. If that is your situation, you would really be better suited to a hybrid vehicle instead of an E-REV.</p>
<p>****</p>
<p>For commuting, I would have to agree.  However, there are many including myself that like to take road trips and if that&#8217;s the case, the ICE will run, and run a lot.</p>
<p>I was puzzled as to why GM referred to the ICE/genset as &#8220;emergency&#8221;.  If you use the vehicle for commuting in the most efficient way, then maybe.  But, if you want to take a road trip I sure hope it&#8217;s not &#8220;emergency&#8221;.<br />
That tends to imply that it&#8217;s not made to run for long periods and I hope that&#8217;s not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim #35, Yes it would be the exception not to plug it in. 

As for the 5th seat, I frequently taxi the kids around (wife and I both work) and since we have 3 kids, if I need to haul a friend at the last minute I would be  out of luck. Yes, longer trips (more than 30 minutes) would require the mini-van. But I&#039;m in even if there are only 4 seats. If enough people get on the bandwagon, oil prices will drop and the mini-van won&#039;t be so expensive to operate.

Hey, how about towing it behind a motorhome? It would be perfect for buzzing around town while the motorhome sits at the camp-ground (or where-ever).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim #35, Yes it would be the exception not to plug it in. </p>
<p>As for the 5th seat, I frequently taxi the kids around (wife and I both work) and since we have 3 kids, if I need to haul a friend at the last minute I would be  out of luck. Yes, longer trips (more than 30 minutes) would require the mini-van. But I&#8217;m in even if there are only 4 seats. If enough people get on the bandwagon, oil prices will drop and the mini-van won&#8217;t be so expensive to operate.</p>
<p>Hey, how about towing it behind a motorhome? It would be perfect for buzzing around town while the motorhome sits at the camp-ground (or where-ever).</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/12/11/gms-brand-new-e-flex-design-center/#comment-19184</link>
		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a giant &#039;95 Impala SS.  You could count the number of times we have used the middle seat in the back in 12 years on your fingers.  4 seats work for us.

Right on SteveF, #36.

I tried to get  my wife to drive an Insight.  No go, as she wants a back seat and 4 doors.  But she is OK with the Volt, so let&#039;s get going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a giant &#8216;95 Impala SS.  You could count the number of times we have used the middle seat in the back in 12 years on your fingers.  4 seats work for us.</p>
<p>Right on SteveF, #36.</p>
<p>I tried to get  my wife to drive an Insight.  No go, as she wants a back seat and 4 doors.  But she is OK with the Volt, so let&#8217;s get going.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the concept always looked like a mid-size car to me, not a small commuter vehicle.  So I was surprised by the 4 seats thing.  Maybe it is not such a big deal then.  Nonetheless, people are used to having 5 seats in all but the smallest cars (even &quot;commuter&quot; vehicles), so I hope this does not turn off too many people.  I will be interested in seeing what further E-Flex vehicles are released.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the concept always looked like a mid-size car to me, not a small commuter vehicle.  So I was surprised by the 4 seats thing.  Maybe it is not such a big deal then.  Nonetheless, people are used to having 5 seats in all but the smallest cars (even &#8220;commuter&#8221; vehicles), so I hope this does not turn off too many people.  I will be interested in seeing what further E-Flex vehicles are released.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first release of Volt is targetted as a commuter vehicle.  Will not or never was position to serve all family needs.  If you need a 5 seats, then you need a second larger vehicle.  Wait couple of years and there will be many other E-Flex vehicles sizes to pick from.

GM, get the Volt out with 4 seats and it will change the vehicle industry forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first release of Volt is targetted as a commuter vehicle.  Will not or never was position to serve all family needs.  If you need a 5 seats, then you need a second larger vehicle.  Wait couple of years and there will be many other E-Flex vehicles sizes to pick from.</p>
<p>GM, get the Volt out with 4 seats and it will change the vehicle industry forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim I</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leon #34:

Those are all valid reasons, but they are the exceptions to the rule, don&#039;t you think?

In re-reading Eco&#039;s post, I guess I mis-read it to mean that they wanted to use the ICE as the main source of power for the vehicle.

My apologies.

As far as that 5th seat, looking at the height of that battery pack, the poor person in the middle would be pretty uncomfortable.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon #34:</p>
<p>Those are all valid reasons, but they are the exceptions to the rule, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>In re-reading Eco&#8217;s post, I guess I mis-read it to mean that they wanted to use the ICE as the main source of power for the vehicle.</p>
<p>My apologies.</p>
<p>As far as that 5th seat, looking at the height of that battery pack, the poor person in the middle would be pretty uncomfortable&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can think of a lot of reasons you wouldn&#039;t want to plug it in. You&#039;re on a road trip staying in hotels. You&#039;re visiting family and don&#039;t want to hog up their electricity. You just plain forget to plug it in. You haven&#039;t used the gas engine for several months and don&#039;t want the fuel to get too old. I could probably think of more if I tried.

Personally, I need the 5th seat once in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can think of a lot of reasons you wouldn&#8217;t want to plug it in. You&#8217;re on a road trip staying in hotels. You&#8217;re visiting family and don&#8217;t want to hog up their electricity. You just plain forget to plug it in. You haven&#8217;t used the gas engine for several months and don&#8217;t want the fuel to get too old. I could probably think of more if I tried.</p>
<p>Personally, I need the 5th seat once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim I</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eco #32:

You are obviously new to this site, welcome!

I can not imagine why you would not want to plug in this vehicle, as that is the main design feature.  If that is your situation, you would really be better suited to a hybrid vehicle instead of an E-REV.

But to answer your question, the specs that have been released say the Volt will have a 12 gallon fuel tank, and that the ICE run generator should operate to give a range of 600 miles, so that works out to 50 mpg.

Of course this is all speculation, but those are the design specs for the vehicle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eco #32:</p>
<p>You are obviously new to this site, welcome!</p>
<p>I can not imagine why you would not want to plug in this vehicle, as that is the main design feature.  If that is your situation, you would really be better suited to a hybrid vehicle instead of an E-REV.</p>
<p>But to answer your question, the specs that have been released say the Volt will have a 12 gallon fuel tank, and that the ICE run generator should operate to give a range of 600 miles, so that works out to 50 mpg.</p>
<p>Of course this is all speculation, but those are the design specs for the vehicle.</p>
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		<title>By: Eco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will the range be on those days you do not plug it in?  Suppose you don&#039;t want to or cannot plug it in every day, for whatever reason.  How much fuel will it take to operate it per mile?  

What will the range be with a full tank of fuel, but 30 percent charge on the battery (because you didn&#039;t plug it in)?

What will the mileage rating be if you elect not to use the plug in feature?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will the range be on those days you do not plug it in?  Suppose you don&#8217;t want to or cannot plug it in every day, for whatever reason.  How much fuel will it take to operate it per mile?  </p>
<p>What will the range be with a full tank of fuel, but 30 percent charge on the battery (because you didn&#8217;t plug it in)?</p>
<p>What will the mileage rating be if you elect not to use the plug in feature?</p>
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