12 Responses to “GM Official Chevy Volt E-Flex Briefing Part 2”
Jean-Charles Jacquemin Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 3:48 am
Hi Lyle, you said DG will present something :
“Here is a live video of Tony Posawatz and Denise Gray giving the media a live briefing”
Where was she ? I only saw TP sofar. May we hope to have a little more insight on the state of batteries development by their czar ?
Thanks for both videos, you spared me the cost of going to L.A. from Belgium.
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Jim I Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 7:39 am
Jean #1:
At the very end of part 2, he was introducing Denise Gray, so I assume she will be the star of part 3.
I note with pleasure that the imposters got booted off the top of the list on Yahoo. Nice work.
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Rashiid Amul Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 11:31 am
I don’t know how I missed a 500 gallon savings a year based on 15,000 miles. Since I drive 30,000 miles a year, my calculations tell me I will save 732.7 gallons of gas a year.
This is based on my current car getting 31 MPG. 732.7 * 3 dollars a gallon for gas = $2198.1 savings per year. At 5 years, this car will save me $10,990 on gas based on $3 a gallon. This is great news.
Lyle, I would be clueless without you.
You do excellent work sir! Thank you very much for your tireless effort.
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Brian M Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Rashiid, #4:
You forgot to add in the cost of electricity I think.
But we all know that electricity is cheaper than gas (on a Joules per mile basis), so you still save money, just not as quickly as you calculated.
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Tim Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 11:54 am
It’s interesting to note the GM is keeping the fuel cell program alive so they don’t get caught with their pants down again if someone comes up with a cheaper & more efficient way to make and “distribute” H2. They have also already moved 400 engineers from R&D (I guess they mean fuel cell R&D) to E-Flex (I guess) production.
Gen-1 Volt will probably only last a production year or so and will very quickly be followed by Gen-2 and Gen-3 which apparently are already in design. Very interesting.
I hope Gen-1 can be easily upgraded or GM will have a more difficult time selling cars that buyers know will obsolesce in just a year or 2. That’s why I’m not buying a new Malibu now and instead waiting on the Volt. Then again, the Volt is such a technology leap, I probably won’t matter much anyway.
Thanks for the video Lyle! If you’re like any of the doctors that I know in my personal life, I have no idea where you find the time to do all of this. I sincerely appreciate your dedication to this cause.
Electricity could become even less of a factor if local/state governments partnered with local businesses and retail establishments to set up charging spots in parking garages and parking lots.
California was working on doing this to improve upon the horrid air quality in some of their cities. The cost of providing free electricity to E-REVs, EVs, etc. would end up being cheaper than the enormous medical costs associated with poor air quality cause by ICE vehicles (e.g. emergency room visits for asthma attacks, cancer treatment).
Here’s an example:
A city could set up 2 charging stations in each of the area’s Wal-mart parking lots. These charging stations would be no more than a post sticking out of the ground with a standard all-weather electrical outlet on it. These 2 spots would be clearly marked as charging spots and would be place mid-way back in the parking lot. This would lower the amount of instances of ICE vehicles there by accident. Another option would be to just make it illegal for ICE vehicles to park in such spots. Either way, there would be 2 spots at each Wal-mart. These spots would then be monitored. If they are used a lot, then extra spots would be added as needed, allowing for evolutionary, need-based growth.
Wal-mart is just an example, however. These charging spots could be put in company parking lots so that people like Rashiid, who commute long distances to work each day, could charge while at work.
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Rashiid Amul Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Brian M #5, You are correct. I only calculated for the gas savings. I don’t know yet if the place I work at will charge me for electricity or not. If they do, businesses here are charged more than residential customers for electricity. I would have to find out how much my work will charge me before I can make a real calculation.
But as you said, electricity is cheaper than gas, so it will still be cheaper to operate.
Weekly, I will only use about 2.2 gallons a week. I love that, since I use close to 17 gallons now.
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Scott H Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
I liked in the beginning of this part 2 video the cost analysis he did. 1 to 2 cents/mile compared to 12 to 15 cents/mile for consumers now. Wow, that’s amazing. They seem very passionate about this, I think they’re actually gonna pull this off!
I also liked the fact he was already talking about Gen 2 and 3. It sounded like they already have ideas they’re working on for those, but at the same time, staying focused on getting Gen 1 out for the consumer. That is the important thing, get it out there, then make improvements as time goes along. As the saying goes, you have to crawl before you can walk.
I am a battery scientist and like to start my own venture, I want to make a battery which will last long, very powerful, safe, excellent cold and high temperature performance and pricing competitively to phosphate, metal oxide based batteries. I have solved all problems except high temperature cycle life. Anyone who has both battery expertise and also like to start his/her own venture is welcome to contact me at lifepo4@gmail.com.
I have 8 years Lithium battery research and development experience! I will provide my info and very willing to exchange ideas and thoughts. Thanks!
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November 30th, 2007 at 3:48 am
Hi Lyle, you said DG will present something :
“Here is a live video of Tony Posawatz and Denise Gray giving the media a live briefing”
Where was she ? I only saw TP sofar. May we hope to have a little more insight on the state of batteries development by their czar ?
Thanks for both videos, you spared me the cost of going to L.A. from Belgium.
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November 30th, 2007 at 7:39 am
Jean #1:
At the very end of part 2, he was introducing Denise Gray, so I assume she will be the star of part 3.
And Lyle, as I said before, You Did Good, Bud!!
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November 30th, 2007 at 11:22 am
I note with pleasure that the imposters got booted off the top of the list on Yahoo. Nice work.
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November 30th, 2007 at 11:31 am
I don’t know how I missed a 500 gallon savings a year based on 15,000 miles. Since I drive 30,000 miles a year, my calculations tell me I will save 732.7 gallons of gas a year.
This is based on my current car getting 31 MPG. 732.7 * 3 dollars a gallon for gas = $2198.1 savings per year. At 5 years, this car will save me $10,990 on gas based on $3 a gallon. This is great news.
Lyle, I would be clueless without you.
You do excellent work sir! Thank you very much for your tireless effort.
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November 30th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Rashiid, #4:
You forgot to add in the cost of electricity I think.
But we all know that electricity is cheaper than gas (on a Joules per mile basis), so you still save money, just not as quickly as you calculated.
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November 30th, 2007 at 11:54 am
It’s interesting to note the GM is keeping the fuel cell program alive so they don’t get caught with their pants down again if someone comes up with a cheaper & more efficient way to make and “distribute” H2. They have also already moved 400 engineers from R&D (I guess they mean fuel cell R&D) to E-Flex (I guess) production.
Gen-1 Volt will probably only last a production year or so and will very quickly be followed by Gen-2 and Gen-3 which apparently are already in design. Very interesting.
I hope Gen-1 can be easily upgraded or GM will have a more difficult time selling cars that buyers know will obsolesce in just a year or 2. That’s why I’m not buying a new Malibu now and instead waiting on the Volt. Then again, the Volt is such a technology leap, I probably won’t matter much anyway.
I’m looking forward to Denise’s segment.
Thanks, Lyle!
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November 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
Thanks for the video Lyle! If you’re like any of the doctors that I know in my personal life, I have no idea where you find the time to do all of this. I sincerely appreciate your dedication to this cause.
Electricity could become even less of a factor if local/state governments partnered with local businesses and retail establishments to set up charging spots in parking garages and parking lots.
California was working on doing this to improve upon the horrid air quality in some of their cities. The cost of providing free electricity to E-REVs, EVs, etc. would end up being cheaper than the enormous medical costs associated with poor air quality cause by ICE vehicles (e.g. emergency room visits for asthma attacks, cancer treatment).
Here’s an example:
A city could set up 2 charging stations in each of the area’s Wal-mart parking lots. These charging stations would be no more than a post sticking out of the ground with a standard all-weather electrical outlet on it. These 2 spots would be clearly marked as charging spots and would be place mid-way back in the parking lot. This would lower the amount of instances of ICE vehicles there by accident. Another option would be to just make it illegal for ICE vehicles to park in such spots. Either way, there would be 2 spots at each Wal-mart. These spots would then be monitored. If they are used a lot, then extra spots would be added as needed, allowing for evolutionary, need-based growth.
Wal-mart is just an example, however. These charging spots could be put in company parking lots so that people like Rashiid, who commute long distances to work each day, could charge while at work.
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November 30th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Brian M #5, You are correct. I only calculated for the gas savings. I don’t know yet if the place I work at will charge me for electricity or not. If they do, businesses here are charged more than residential customers for electricity. I would have to find out how much my work will charge me before I can make a real calculation.
But as you said, electricity is cheaper than gas, so it will still be cheaper to operate.
Weekly, I will only use about 2.2 gallons a week. I love that, since I use close to 17 gallons now.
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November 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
I liked in the beginning of this part 2 video the cost analysis he did. 1 to 2 cents/mile compared to 12 to 15 cents/mile for consumers now. Wow, that’s amazing. They seem very passionate about this, I think they’re actually gonna pull this off!
I also liked the fact he was already talking about Gen 2 and 3. It sounded like they already have ideas they’re working on for those, but at the same time, staying focused on getting Gen 1 out for the consumer. That is the important thing, get it out there, then make improvements as time goes along. As the saying goes, you have to crawl before you can walk.
Death to oil.
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November 30th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Scott H, #9:
Absolutely right. Crawl before you try to walk.
I’m there for Gen 1. If something better follows quickly, I’ll get one of those for my wife and drive the Gen 1 for work.
Bring it on.
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November 30th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
Each generation usually lasts at least five years.
You can figure Gen 2 will have an extended range battery, reduced charging time and AWD.
Gen 3 may feature wireless charging, steer by wire and biometric door locks/ignition.
Baby steps…
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December 1st, 2007 at 2:36 am
My first post here:
I am a battery scientist and like to start my own venture, I want to make a battery which will last long, very powerful, safe, excellent cold and high temperature performance and pricing competitively to phosphate, metal oxide based batteries. I have solved all problems except high temperature cycle life. Anyone who has both battery expertise and also like to start his/her own venture is welcome to contact me at lifepo4@gmail.com.
I have 8 years Lithium battery research and development experience! I will provide my info and very willing to exchange ideas and thoughts. Thanks!
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