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	<title>Comments on: Chevy Volt Close-up: it&#8217;s Electric</title>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/24/chevy-volt-close-up-its-electric/#comment-16828</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a conservative, generally against the global-warming crowd (a topic for another discussion), but I am totally for the Volt. I feel we need to get off oil for political and economic reasons (have you seen the Island that the UEA is building, from scratch, on oil money -- sick).

Anyway, I think this will go down like this: Both the supply and demand for oil is very inelastic (except supply can be elastic in the down direction, as oil wells can be shut off if not profitable) meaning that a small change in either supply or demand will have a big impact on price. 

That said, if the Volt (and its ilk) is successful (by success I mean replacing 1-2% of passenger vehicles) the price of oil will drop dramatically. But with the specs I’ve seen, the Volt can still be competitive even when compared to cheap gas. But it’s going to be a balancing act, when oil prices spike, Electrics will be more favorable and will help drive the price of oil back down.

Has anyone checked out the MDI compressed air powered car? Very interesting.

Someone (or a couple people) earlier compared ICE vehicles to horse and buggy, predicting that once electrics take hold the ICE vehicles will die out quickly. I don&#039;t think it&#039;ll be that fast, as electrics are not anywhere near able to pull loads (think horse trailers, utility vehicles, 18-wheelers, trains, airplanes, etc). So ICE will be around for a long time I predict.

But what the Volt will give me is a choice. And us (anti-global warming hysteria) conservatives LOVE choice. If something bad happens and gas is not available (this happened in a few places after Katrina) the country would literally come to a stop. If I have the ability to switch to all electric (my commute is just about 40 miles) then I can get to my job. Plus, with the extended range I can make the longer trips. Absolutely the holy grail!

So, I (conservative) want the oil producing countries to pound sand, the greens want to halt global warming; and the Volt is the answer to both. I&#039;m all for it, strange bedfellows and all.

Someone I know used to say &quot;buy American&quot;, thinking he was a patriot. I told him I was going to buy the best car for the best price -- made him blow his top. Then I asked, isn&#039;t it possible that both philosophies can result in buying the same car (i.e. American)? His approach assumes from the start that American cars are not the best. I say that given fair competition, America can produce the best. 

Anyway, about a year ago I switched from a 97 Pontiac Bonneville to an 03 Nissan Sentra. The Bonneville made it to 160k, and an old Nissan I had years ago (a 1981 Datsun 210) made it to 360k, and was still running (I only got rid of it because I could finally afford something nicer). The sentra will easily last until 2011, and I would love to go back to an American car (they are more comfortable and stylish).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a conservative, generally against the global-warming crowd (a topic for another discussion), but I am totally for the Volt. I feel we need to get off oil for political and economic reasons (have you seen the Island that the UEA is building, from scratch, on oil money &#8212; sick).</p>
<p>Anyway, I think this will go down like this: Both the supply and demand for oil is very inelastic (except supply can be elastic in the down direction, as oil wells can be shut off if not profitable) meaning that a small change in either supply or demand will have a big impact on price. </p>
<p>That said, if the Volt (and its ilk) is successful (by success I mean replacing 1-2% of passenger vehicles) the price of oil will drop dramatically. But with the specs I’ve seen, the Volt can still be competitive even when compared to cheap gas. But it’s going to be a balancing act, when oil prices spike, Electrics will be more favorable and will help drive the price of oil back down.</p>
<p>Has anyone checked out the MDI compressed air powered car? Very interesting.</p>
<p>Someone (or a couple people) earlier compared ICE vehicles to horse and buggy, predicting that once electrics take hold the ICE vehicles will die out quickly. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll be that fast, as electrics are not anywhere near able to pull loads (think horse trailers, utility vehicles, 18-wheelers, trains, airplanes, etc). So ICE will be around for a long time I predict.</p>
<p>But what the Volt will give me is a choice. And us (anti-global warming hysteria) conservatives LOVE choice. If something bad happens and gas is not available (this happened in a few places after Katrina) the country would literally come to a stop. If I have the ability to switch to all electric (my commute is just about 40 miles) then I can get to my job. Plus, with the extended range I can make the longer trips. Absolutely the holy grail!</p>
<p>So, I (conservative) want the oil producing countries to pound sand, the greens want to halt global warming; and the Volt is the answer to both. I&#8217;m all for it, strange bedfellows and all.</p>
<p>Someone I know used to say &#8220;buy American&#8221;, thinking he was a patriot. I told him I was going to buy the best car for the best price &#8212; made him blow his top. Then I asked, isn&#8217;t it possible that both philosophies can result in buying the same car (i.e. American)? His approach assumes from the start that American cars are not the best. I say that given fair competition, America can produce the best. </p>
<p>Anyway, about a year ago I switched from a 97 Pontiac Bonneville to an 03 Nissan Sentra. The Bonneville made it to 160k, and an old Nissan I had years ago (a 1981 Datsun 210) made it to 360k, and was still running (I only got rid of it because I could finally afford something nicer). The sentra will easily last until 2011, and I would love to go back to an American car (they are more comfortable and stylish).</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/24/chevy-volt-close-up-its-electric/#comment-16704</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that should have read because the price of smokes is high, due to taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that should have read because the price of smokes is high, due to taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, i known of a lot of people who smoke one pack a day instead of two or three because the price is high.
i know one guy who was going to buy duty free smokes, and then decided against it, because, since they would be so cheap he would smoke more.
a gas tax wouldn&#039;t be a sin tax, that&#039;s just silly, but a minimum gas price by tax or whatever, would stimulate more green tech.  the price of the car is only one aspect.
aniti -oil, while i agree that a &quot;gas&quot; tax may work, i am doubtful as to whether the feds would actually divert the funds to the places they are needed.  but, still think the plan may be valid to help bring green tech to the front.
they do curtail use of water when there are shortages.  and you get fined if you use more than you are supposed to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, i known of a lot of people who smoke one pack a day instead of two or three because the price is high.<br />
i know one guy who was going to buy duty free smokes, and then decided against it, because, since they would be so cheap he would smoke more.<br />
a gas tax wouldn&#8217;t be a sin tax, that&#8217;s just silly, but a minimum gas price by tax or whatever, would stimulate more green tech.  the price of the car is only one aspect.<br />
aniti -oil, while i agree that a &#8220;gas&#8221; tax may work, i am doubtful as to whether the feds would actually divert the funds to the places they are needed.  but, still think the plan may be valid to help bring green tech to the front.<br />
they do curtail use of water when there are shortages.  and you get fined if you use more than you are supposed to.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Oil Jihadi</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/24/chevy-volt-close-up-its-electric/#comment-16674</link>
		<dc:creator>Anti-Oil Jihadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, if the extra taxes were diverted towards ethanol and nuclear power, not into the governments pockets, would you be for it then? I&#039;m not saying our roads and highways don&#039;t need improvement, they do. However, increasing taxes (if the price drops to a certain level) is only part of the issue. 

How that money is spent is the other part.

death to oil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, if the extra taxes were diverted towards ethanol and nuclear power, not into the governments pockets, would you be for it then? I&#8217;m not saying our roads and highways don&#8217;t need improvement, they do. However, increasing taxes (if the price drops to a certain level) is only part of the issue. </p>
<p>How that money is spent is the other part.</p>
<p>death to oil</p>
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		<title>By: OptimisticMF</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/24/chevy-volt-close-up-its-electric/#comment-16655</link>
		<dc:creator>OptimisticMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/24/chevy-volt-close-up-its-electric/#comment-16646</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people are overanalyzing every word I say and taking things too literally and completely out of context. I&#039;m giving hypothetical EXAMPLES, not suggestions! 

OK, I can play that game too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people are overanalyzing every word I say and taking things too literally and completely out of context. I&#8217;m giving hypothetical EXAMPLES, not suggestions! </p>
<p>OK, I can play that game too.</p>
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		<title>By: OptimisticMF</title>
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		<dc:creator>OptimisticMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott H, 

While I agree with you in spirit on certain aspects of your posts, I sincerely question you on others. For instance, I&#039;m not sure how an additional tax on fuel constitutes a &quot;crime&quot;? 

Just because some politicians are greedy, some laws are stupid and some taxes are wasteful doesn&#039;t mean that the entire system is without merit. Some taxes are good, for instance, I&#039;m happy to pay the property and sales taxes in my community that pay for police and fire protection. On the other hand, I agree that government waste is a real problem. I suggest that updating the fuel tax could be part of the solution, provided that the revenue collected from the tax be applied to advancing technologies and services that reduce our dependence on oil. I don&#039;t think anyone is suggesting that a big, fat tax will solve our problems any more than I believe that you are suggesting that we should overthrow the government since all taxes are criminal.

Like it or not, we live in a complex society with scarce resources and we have to make compromises to provide for the general welfare. When this coutry was founded, government was not very effective at enforcing laws, so it was up to individuals to fend for themselves. While I admire that ethic, its just not reasonable to assume that you can use up as much water (or any other resource) as you want, just because you want to. At some point, waste affects the common good, and must be curtailed. Using oil to the degree that we do, represents waste, since it depletes our economy and our environment. Is it unfortunate that we need to tax certain resources because some people don&#039;t act in the common interest? Yes, but its a fact of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott H, </p>
<p>While I agree with you in spirit on certain aspects of your posts, I sincerely question you on others. For instance, I&#8217;m not sure how an additional tax on fuel constitutes a &#8220;crime&#8221;? </p>
<p>Just because some politicians are greedy, some laws are stupid and some taxes are wasteful doesn&#8217;t mean that the entire system is without merit. Some taxes are good, for instance, I&#8217;m happy to pay the property and sales taxes in my community that pay for police and fire protection. On the other hand, I agree that government waste is a real problem. I suggest that updating the fuel tax could be part of the solution, provided that the revenue collected from the tax be applied to advancing technologies and services that reduce our dependence on oil. I don&#8217;t think anyone is suggesting that a big, fat tax will solve our problems any more than I believe that you are suggesting that we should overthrow the government since all taxes are criminal.</p>
<p>Like it or not, we live in a complex society with scarce resources and we have to make compromises to provide for the general welfare. When this coutry was founded, government was not very effective at enforcing laws, so it was up to individuals to fend for themselves. While I admire that ethic, its just not reasonable to assume that you can use up as much water (or any other resource) as you want, just because you want to. At some point, waste affects the common good, and must be curtailed. Using oil to the degree that we do, represents waste, since it depletes our economy and our environment. Is it unfortunate that we need to tax certain resources because some people don&#8217;t act in the common interest? Yes, but its a fact of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Tagamet</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/24/chevy-volt-close-up-its-electric/#comment-16611</link>
		<dc:creator>Tagamet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting speculation that GM and Toyota are collaborating on a vehicle?
http://www.autobloggreen.com/category/toyota/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting speculation that GM and Toyota are collaborating on a vehicle?<br />
<a href="http://www.autobloggreen.com/category/toyota/" rel="nofollow">http://www.autobloggreen.com/category/toyota/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tagamet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tagamet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go gettum Scott H. but my guess is that this horse ain&#039;t goin to move no more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go gettum Scott H. but my guess is that this horse ain&#8217;t goin to move no more.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Jim. Cigarettes and alcohol with their so called &quot;sin taxes&quot; added has done little to nothing. So buying fuel is a sin also when everyone uses it? The answer is of course, no. So adding taxes to fuel would solidify governments greed for more tax revenue and in my opinion severely &quot;price gouge&quot; a necessary commodity. That&#039;s why it would be a crime in my mind. But, so many people here are for it. That really pains me. Here&#039;s another example. Sometimes during summer months there are water shortages, right? So would you be for a 50 cent tax on every gallon of water used during a drought? Do you actually think they should have the right to do that? I should hope not. Remember, a certain country (this one) was born from it&#039;s anger with wrongful taxation from a tyrannical government. I&#039;m not saying it would go that far, I&#039;m just illustrating how wrong it is. If you approve of one excessive tax, what&#039;s to stop them from taxing other things? When does it stop? OK, I&#039;m done for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Jim. Cigarettes and alcohol with their so called &#8220;sin taxes&#8221; added has done little to nothing. So buying fuel is a sin also when everyone uses it? The answer is of course, no. So adding taxes to fuel would solidify governments greed for more tax revenue and in my opinion severely &#8220;price gouge&#8221; a necessary commodity. That&#8217;s why it would be a crime in my mind. But, so many people here are for it. That really pains me. Here&#8217;s another example. Sometimes during summer months there are water shortages, right? So would you be for a 50 cent tax on every gallon of water used during a drought? Do you actually think they should have the right to do that? I should hope not. Remember, a certain country (this one) was born from it&#8217;s anger with wrongful taxation from a tyrannical government. I&#8217;m not saying it would go that far, I&#8217;m just illustrating how wrong it is. If you approve of one excessive tax, what&#8217;s to stop them from taxing other things? When does it stop? OK, I&#8217;m done for now.</p>
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