Comments on: Toyota Denies it Denigrated the Volt http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:07:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jim Hawk http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-93862 Jim Hawk Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:26:30 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-93862 Some have short memories, because it was GM that called the Prius a PR stunt ten years ago. Now that a million are now rolling, it's certainly payback time. Some have short memories, because it was GM that called the Prius a PR stunt ten years ago. Now that a million are now rolling, it’s certainly payback time.

]]> By: ug http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-16717 ug Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:01:33 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-16717 This is why the patent office is bullsh*t: http://www.cracked.com/article_15693_10-most-ridiculous-inventions-ever-patented.html This is why the patent office is bullsh*t:

http://www.cracked.com/article_15693_10-most-ridiculous-inventions-ever-patented.html

]]> By: Mark in Wisc http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-16394 Mark in Wisc Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:42:38 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-16394 Anyone catch this before? Toyota thinks that lithium batteries are not ready. Diamler thinks they are "right around the corner." Also, suggests that we may need to start lobbying for electric charging stations in our communities. The race is definitely heating up. Smart ForTwo Electric Charges Up for London Trial By Matthew Phenix November 26, 2007 | 9:04:37 AMCategories: Electric Vehicles London's Financial Times is reporting that Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler AG plans to start urban testing of its Smart ForTwo Electric Drive models during December, in plans for a retail debut for 2010. The program calls for the lease of some 100 of the plug-in electric two-seaters to corporate and public-sector users, including the London Police, for a period of four years. Daimler chose the London because of its growing network of free electric-vehicle recharging stations. The company says it is prepping similar trials in other European cities, but has no plans for an American test program. At least not yet. The ForTwo Electric Drive uses a 40-horsepower electric motor juiced by a bank of nickel-metal hydride batteries (Smart insists a lithium-ion version is "right around the corner"). Daimler says the car is good for about 70 miles on a charge, with a top speed of close to 70 mph. Source: Financial Times Anyone catch this before? Toyota thinks that lithium batteries are not ready. Diamler thinks they are “right around the corner.” Also, suggests that we may need to start lobbying for electric charging stations in our communities. The race is definitely heating up.

Smart ForTwo Electric Charges Up for London Trial

By Matthew Phenix November 26, 2007 |

9:04:37 AMCategories: Electric Vehicles
London’s Financial Times is reporting that Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler AG plans to start urban testing of its Smart ForTwo Electric Drive models during December, in plans for a retail debut for 2010. The program calls for the lease of some 100 of the plug-in electric two-seaters to corporate and public-sector users, including the London Police, for a period of four years. Daimler chose the London because of its growing network of free electric-vehicle recharging stations. The company says it is prepping similar trials in other European cities, but has no plans for an American test program. At least not yet. The ForTwo Electric Drive uses a 40-horsepower electric motor juiced by a bank of nickel-metal hydride batteries (Smart insists a lithium-ion version is “right around the corner”). Daimler says the car is good for about 70 miles on a charge, with a top speed of close to 70 mph.

Source: Financial Times

]]> By: law http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-16226 law Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:39:47 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-16226 Anti-Oil Jihad, they already make electric tractors. Some farmers in California are using them and they came up with a list of advantages of electric tractors 1. The heavy batteries can be placed low between the rear tires where needed rather than just dead weight. 2. Lots of torque on start up without the need for strain on the transmission or torque converter 3. Doesn't use energy while not working, no noise, not dangerous while in idle 4. Low maintenance 5. Put a solar roof on the tractor so you can trickle charge the battery all day and have shade. Advantages for oil burning tractor: 1. Internal combustion engine technology is well developed already. The oil fuel burning tractor has no more advantages Anti-Oil Jihad, they already make electric tractors. Some farmers in California are using them and they came up with a list of advantages of electric tractors

1. The heavy batteries can be placed low between the rear tires where needed rather than just dead weight.
2. Lots of torque on start up without the need for strain on the transmission or torque converter
3. Doesn’t use energy while not working, no noise, not dangerous while in idle
4. Low maintenance
5. Put a solar roof on the tractor so you can trickle charge the battery all day and have shade.

Advantages for oil burning tractor:
1. Internal combustion engine technology is well developed already.

The oil fuel burning tractor has no more advantages

]]> By: law http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-16224 law Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:33:59 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-16224 post 31 "am not sure what GTX’s issues are with the Volt, however I can tell you his agenda is to get everyone off topic with everyone of his posts...." His post here seems to have brought about some good posts. I like the one comparing the benefits to the volt vs prius. I think it's clear that the volt would be superior vehicle to the prius. His posts also show that a lot of people are willing to defend the volt when attacked. I think it's important for americans to support GM on this because if the dollar loses another 50% of its value your imported hybrids are going to double in cost. It's america's obsession for importing everything (such as cars) that helps sink the dollar. Even the "foreign" cars built here leads to billions of dollars being sent out of the country every year. So the 80% of american morons who don't want to buy american made cars can enjoy some nasty inflation and expensive trips out of the country thanks to their desire to import everything they own. Let them dump all of their money on foreign products, while in 2010 I have the feeling the volt will be cheaper than the prius. post 31
“am not sure what GTX’s issues are with the Volt, however I can tell you his agenda is to get everyone off topic with everyone of his posts….”

His post here seems to have brought about some good posts. I like the one comparing the benefits to the volt vs prius. I think it’s clear that the volt would be superior vehicle to the prius. His posts also show that a lot of people are willing to defend the volt when attacked.

I think it’s important for americans to support GM on this because if the dollar loses another 50% of its value your imported hybrids are going to double in cost. It’s america’s obsession for importing everything (such as cars) that helps sink the dollar. Even the “foreign” cars built here leads to billions of dollars being sent out of the country every year. So the 80% of american morons who don’t want to buy american made cars can enjoy some nasty inflation and expensive trips out of the country thanks to their desire to import everything they own. Let them dump all of their money on foreign products, while in 2010 I have the feeling the volt will be cheaper than the prius.

]]> By: james http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-15922 james Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:03:42 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-15922 oh yeah, anti oil 39 i agree Death to Oil! oh yeah, anti oil 39 i agree
Death to Oil!

]]> By: james http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-15921 james Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:02:26 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-15921 man, i'm late to this party, i need to read all the way down the emails, and not just click on the first link, or i miss stuff like this. i've got nothing to say here, it seems to have been mostly already stated above. love the thought provoking posts, and as for the others, i just iggy (ignore and scroll by) them, lol......... man, i’m late to this party, i need to read all the way down the emails, and not just click on the first link, or i miss stuff like this.
i’ve got nothing to say here, it seems to have been mostly already stated above.
love the thought provoking posts, and as for the others, i just iggy (ignore and scroll by) them, lol………

]]> By: Anti-Oil Jihadi http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-15793 Anti-Oil Jihadi Thu, 22 Nov 2007 05:02:53 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-15793 Don't forget that GM has 2 mode hybrid technology they've developed for city buses. In my city there are new buses which utilize it. I believe they use GM's technology, anyhow. The next step is to see if diesel tractor trucks can utilize this technology. Around the Los Angeles area, there's so much gridlock I'm sure those guys are wasting lots of fuel. Electric motors have lots of torque, so I could imagine this technology being useful for the tractors. death to oil Don’t forget that GM has 2 mode hybrid technology they’ve developed for city buses. In my city there are new buses which utilize it. I believe they use GM’s technology, anyhow.

The next step is to see if diesel tractor trucks can utilize this technology. Around the Los Angeles area, there’s so much gridlock I’m sure those guys are wasting lots of fuel. Electric motors have lots of torque, so I could imagine this technology being useful for the tractors.

death to oil

]]> By: mykallb http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-15789 mykallb Thu, 22 Nov 2007 04:03:13 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-15789 This is actually not a bad idea, whether or not you live in Ca.. It's been said that you would never want the ICE to charge the batts because you want to leave that to the grid for more efficiency. If cycling is not a problem, I like this option especially if you have considerable city driving after a highway ICE session. Regardless, it's scenarios like these that demonstrate the amount of work needed to test implement and engineer this car. No small task and I understand that. M. This is actually not a bad idea, whether or not you live in Ca.. It’s been said that you would never want the ICE to charge the batts because you want to leave that to the grid for more efficiency. If cycling is not a problem, I like this option especially if you have considerable city driving after a highway ICE session.

Regardless, it’s scenarios like these that demonstrate the amount of work needed to test implement and engineer this car. No small task and I understand that.

M.

]]> By: wirenutjd http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-15788 wirenutjd Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:54:59 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/11/21/toyota-denies-it-denigrated-the-volt/#comment-15788 According to Volvo, one way to strategize about how to use this new technology is to drive the lower speeds in the electric mode and when on the highway run the extended range on-board generator. When exiting the highway at the other end you may be re-charged for the full range of the electric mode again and turn off the generator. This is why the Volvo re-charge has a manual start function for the on-board gen-set even if the batteries are full or not. This makes sense if you live in California where most people commute to work on the freeway and typically drive 20 to 60 miles to get to work, one way. According to Volvo, one way to strategize about how to use this new technology is to drive the lower speeds in the electric mode and when on the highway run the extended range on-board generator. When exiting the highway at the other end you may be re-charged for the full range of the electric mode again and turn off the generator. This is why the Volvo re-charge has a manual start function for the on-board gen-set even if the batteries are full or not. This makes sense if you live in California where most people commute to work on the freeway and typically drive 20 to 60 miles to get to work, one way.

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