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	<title>Comments on: More Bob Lutz Volt Q &amp; A</title>
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		<title>By: bruce g</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/16/more-bob-lutz-volt-q-a/#comment-15183</link>
		<dc:creator>bruce g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff M,
Would your Volvo dealer let you sit in the back of a C30.
It would be very interesting to know your opinion.

I accept what everyone says about 2 doors but it didnt stop the mini becoming a cult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff M,<br />
Would your Volvo dealer let you sit in the back of a C30.<br />
It would be very interesting to know your opinion.</p>
<p>I accept what everyone says about 2 doors but it didnt stop the mini becoming a cult.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/16/more-bob-lutz-volt-q-a/#comment-15177</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26 (wirenutjd)... I don&#039;t think Volvo waffled... all along from at least early Sept annoucement (see http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33717/113/ ) I&#039;ve been reading 60 mile range on the batteries in the C30 RxEV. The 1st time I heard 100 was in this thread so I think somewhere someone was mistaken.

As I mentioned in another thread, I love my current Volvo (an 8 year old S70 T5 5-speed), but the problem I may have with the C30 is that it&#039;s only a 2-door, and the backseats may not have enough leg and/or head room.

Regarding hub motors, as has been said, because there are 4 of them, each one can be significantly smaller.  Apparently hub motors on an EV are nothing new... according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hub_motor Ferdinand Porsche developed them in 1902... on a vehicle that later became an RxEv

Note also that ZAP also has in the works an EV with hub motors.

Multi-motor EV configurations are more complicated in regulating power to different motors.  I think I read that one of the 1990&#039;s EV&#039;s built to meet CA&#039;s ZEV mandate had planned to use two motors but switched to just one because of that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26 (wirenutjd)&#8230; I don&#8217;t think Volvo waffled&#8230; all along from at least early Sept annoucement (see <a href="http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33717/113/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33717/113/</a> ) I&#8217;ve been reading 60 mile range on the batteries in the C30 RxEV. The 1st time I heard 100 was in this thread so I think somewhere someone was mistaken.</p>
<p>As I mentioned in another thread, I love my current Volvo (an 8 year old S70 T5 5-speed), but the problem I may have with the C30 is that it&#8217;s only a 2-door, and the backseats may not have enough leg and/or head room.</p>
<p>Regarding hub motors, as has been said, because there are 4 of them, each one can be significantly smaller.  Apparently hub motors on an EV are nothing new&#8230; according to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hub_motor" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hub_motor</a> Ferdinand Porsche developed them in 1902&#8230; on a vehicle that later became an RxEv</p>
<p>Note also that ZAP also has in the works an EV with hub motors.</p>
<p>Multi-motor EV configurations are more complicated in regulating power to different motors.  I think I read that one of the 1990&#8217;s EV&#8217;s built to meet CA&#8217;s ZEV mandate had planned to use two motors but switched to just one because of that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: noel park</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/16/more-bob-lutz-volt-q-a/#comment-15156</link>
		<dc:creator>noel park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Bartosik, #17:

Yeah, $3 trillion.  Between that and global warming, we are starting down the barrel of a very large cannon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Bartosik, #17:</p>
<p>Yeah, $3 trillion.  Between that and global warming, we are starting down the barrel of a very large cannon.</p>
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		<title>By: wirenutjd</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/16/more-bob-lutz-volt-q-a/#comment-15144</link>
		<dc:creator>wirenutjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Brian M. And I like what 27 Don says. Lets change the whole thing and see what comes our way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Brian M. And I like what 27 Don says. Lets change the whole thing and see what comes our way.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian M</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/11/16/more-bob-lutz-volt-q-a/#comment-15143</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25 wirenutjd, One great thing about electric motors is they require little to no maintenance because they have almost no moving parts.  But you are right, wheel motors would be easier to work on.  Just remove the wheel and swap in a new one.

Unfortunately, I think wheel motors would probably be more prone to damage from rocks, potholes, and collisions.

I am not totally against wheel motors, because they provide great traction and independent control.  But I would not buy a car with wheel motors because of the extra expense and vulnerability (maybe Volvo buyers would not care as much about the extra expense as I do).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25 wirenutjd, One great thing about electric motors is they require little to no maintenance because they have almost no moving parts.  But you are right, wheel motors would be easier to work on.  Just remove the wheel and swap in a new one.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I think wheel motors would probably be more prone to damage from rocks, potholes, and collisions.</p>
<p>I am not totally against wheel motors, because they provide great traction and independent control.  But I would not buy a car with wheel motors because of the extra expense and vulnerability (maybe Volvo buyers would not care as much about the extra expense as I do).</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the Ford/Volvo-badged product:

As the Volt gets closer to reality, and the buzz grows, how many other companies will bring their own versions out? This technology is not so complex really, it&#039;s just a matter of having batteries light enough an that do the job cheaper over a car&#039;s life cycle of ownership than than gas and maintainence. Lots of good battery companies out there that didn&#039;t make the final GM cut - including the big American provider JCI-Saft, small American start-ups like Altair and Ener1, and huge Chinese companies. VW had an electric Li-ion concept car demo&#039;ed in 2001 - the Bora (Jetta based) it wouldn&#039;t be hard to dust it off, cut down the battery capacity some and add in a range extender, Mitsubishi could probably make their car practical if they tried, DaimlerChrysler is planning on releasing an electric Smart car in 2010 and has other concepts ready to bring on out, Renault is building an EV facility in Israel, and so on.

The Volt is already serving its function as a game changer! Tesla moved the mind-set from golf-cart to sexy without even yet delivering a car. GM has moved the mindset to EV for the masses without yet delivering a car. Toyota has gotten complacent and will likely miss the boat the first go round but the race is afoot. GM has an early lead but these products will come out quickly once they prove the market accepts it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the Ford/Volvo-badged product:</p>
<p>As the Volt gets closer to reality, and the buzz grows, how many other companies will bring their own versions out? This technology is not so complex really, it&#8217;s just a matter of having batteries light enough an that do the job cheaper over a car&#8217;s life cycle of ownership than than gas and maintainence. Lots of good battery companies out there that didn&#8217;t make the final GM cut &#8211; including the big American provider JCI-Saft, small American start-ups like Altair and Ener1, and huge Chinese companies. VW had an electric Li-ion concept car demo&#8217;ed in 2001 &#8211; the Bora (Jetta based) it wouldn&#8217;t be hard to dust it off, cut down the battery capacity some and add in a range extender, Mitsubishi could probably make their car practical if they tried, DaimlerChrysler is planning on releasing an electric Smart car in 2010 and has other concepts ready to bring on out, Renault is building an EV facility in Israel, and so on.</p>
<p>The Volt is already serving its function as a game changer! Tesla moved the mind-set from golf-cart to sexy without even yet delivering a car. GM has moved the mindset to EV for the masses without yet delivering a car. Toyota has gotten complacent and will likely miss the boat the first go round but the race is afoot. GM has an early lead but these products will come out quickly once they prove the market accepts it.</p>
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		<title>By: wirenutjd</title>
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		<dc:creator>wirenutjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 20 Brian, Volvo waffled from 100 to 60 just like GM went from 60 to 40.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 20 Brian, Volvo waffled from 100 to 60 just like GM went from 60 to 40.</p>
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		<title>By: wirenutjd</title>
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		<dc:creator>wirenutjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To: # 20 Brian, What do you think about maintenance between the wheel type vs. the motor to transaxle type? Maybe this type of compitition will help GM come out early, so we all can have the U.S. made one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: # 20 Brian, What do you think about maintenance between the wheel type vs. the motor to transaxle type? Maybe this type of compitition will help GM come out early, so we all can have the U.S. made one!</p>
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		<title>By: Estero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Estero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20 Brian M. said:

&quot;Wheel motors are expensive. I would expect 4 wheel motors to be at least 2-3 times more expensive than one motor like the Volt has.&quot;

Yes, wheel motors are more expensive.  But, that cost would be partially be offset in an AWD with smaller wheel motors and through elimination of the transaxle.  The cost of wheel motors would hopefully come down with mass production.

I&#039;ll continue to hope for a AWD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20 Brian M. said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Wheel motors are expensive. I would expect 4 wheel motors to be at least 2-3 times more expensive than one motor like the Volt has.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, wheel motors are more expensive.  But, that cost would be partially be offset in an AWD with smaller wheel motors and through elimination of the transaxle.  The cost of wheel motors would hopefully come down with mass production.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll continue to hope for a AWD.</p>
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		<title>By: GXT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GXT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If GM&#039;s more rigorous checks and balances can only produce cars of average reliability and quality, I&#039;d hate to see what happens when they are removed from a project which is more complicated than anything else they have done before.

I don&#039;t know if Toyota really had an &quot;it will blow up in GM&#039;s face attitude&quot;, but based on these revelations it seems the probability is high.

GM better not screw this one up for the entire market like they tried to do with hybrids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If GM&#8217;s more rigorous checks and balances can only produce cars of average reliability and quality, I&#8217;d hate to see what happens when they are removed from a project which is more complicated than anything else they have done before.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if Toyota really had an &#8220;it will blow up in GM&#8217;s face attitude&#8221;, but based on these revelations it seems the probability is high.</p>
<p>GM better not screw this one up for the entire market like they tried to do with hybrids.</p>
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