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New Interview with Chevy Volt Chief Engineer Nick Zielinksi: Part I

October 28th, 2007 | Posted in: Efficiency, Electric Motor, Engineering, Original GM-Volt Interviews, Production, Timeline, Video

I just had the chance to speak with Nick Zielinksi about the most recent Chevy Volt developments including among other topics, the rationale for recent executive restructuring and a discussion about highway driving range. See video below:

[flash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk0YOekzhNI]

Posted by: Lyle

55 Responses to “New Interview with Chevy Volt Chief Engineer Nick Zielinksi: Part I”

D.J. Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 8:45 pm

When will this car be available to the public? It’s already been stated that it won’t be out by 2010. So 2011? I remember seeing this car last year at the 2006 Auto Show. Now, it won’t be ready until, at least, 2011. Is this just a lot of lip service from GM? I’m sure by 2011, GM will be, again, behind in the race.

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evan Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 8:59 pm

The video and audio quality here are atrocious. I think you need to provide a transcript of the interview. I’d way rather read a written transcript than watch a video of an interview anyway.
It’s too hard to extract the important information from a video…esp. one of inferior quality like this.

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James Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 9:15 pm

DJ…
I did not get from the video that the car would not be out until 2011. I don’t believe the timeline has changed as of now. My take is that they would like to get it out sooner but are unable to due to having to work out all of the details. I am sure a lot of presure is being placed on the engineers to get the car out as soon as possible. My understanding is they shoud be getting the batteries any day. It would be hard for them to do a lot of testing without the batteries. It is to early to make that call.

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James Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 9:18 pm

I have not heard it stated the Volt will not be out until 2011. What is your source? I don’t believe the car was presented until the 2007 car show (not the 2006 show).

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Drake Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 9:21 pm

Lyle: Great interview so far- very cool.

GM: Please understand that most PHEV proponents, environmentalists, and so-called energy hawks do not care much about hydrogen fuel cell technology. We understand that it has potential in the decades to come, but we want and demand vehicles that can free us from oil _now_. Please do not allow the hydrogen fuel-cell technology path destract you from making a PHEV Volt the best that it can be. Thank you.

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ziv Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 9:27 pm

DJ, did you have a source for the 2011 release? I didn’t hear that in any of the sites I read, some are still saying that GM is trying to get some out in 2009 with 60,000 being the goal for 2010. Just 2 weeks ago Lutz said that “GM is committed to putting the system in the Chevrolet Volt for sale by 2010″

http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/09/11/gm-to-let-selected-outsiders-drive-volt-prototypes-next-year/

I really appreciate the info Lyle has been getting, and no, he isn’t CNN or the NYT level of sound quality, but at least Lyle knows what the hell is going on, while the NYT seems to be pulling ‘experts’ out of their nether regions.
I almost wish there was a wish list of questions for Lyle to ask, like ‘Will the Volt be comfortably under $30k with the battery included?’ and ‘What would the range be at 60 mph with the heater or ac on?’ Or ‘What will the curb weight of the production Volt be?’ Or, ‘Would you release the specifications for the battery packs that are being placed in the mules this month?’ Or ‘Are the mules being built/in use right now?’ Or ‘Why is GM pursuing a mindblowingly expensive boondoggle like fuel cells instead of concentrating on technologies that might be in use in the short to medium term?’
That having been said, if Lyle asked that many pointed questions and released the video of it on this site, he probably wouldn’t be getting too many more interviews.
I think GM is reading this site, as is Toyota and Honda, and I hope they all are working on RxEV’s, because within the next 5-10 years they are by far the best bet.

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D.J. Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 9:38 pm

http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/10/24/does-construction-of-a-battery-factory-need-to-start-2-years-before-the-volt-gets-mass-produced/

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-1 ziv Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 9:45 pm

DJ, Chapman is with the NYT and she was the one that mentioned the McManus idiot. He is the bozo that didn’t realize that A123 and the other battery manufacturers are already ramping up production and starting production from new factorys as we speak. If I had to try to figure out who to listen to, it would be Lutz, not the New York Times’ Chapman.

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AES Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 10:36 pm

Yes, please provide either a transcript or a summary of what was talked about.

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Ron Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

I had to stop the video. It’s too crappy to watch. Publish a transcript and I’ll read it. Better yet, start selling the car and I’ll buy it!

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Drake Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

Guys- you have to understand that Lyle maintains this site (e.g. hosting fees, travel expenses, his time, etc.) with his personal resources. If you’re not happy with the quality of the media on the site, then maybe you should help out by donating funds or equipment that could resolve the issue. Otherwise, you might just be happy with what is available.

P.S. If you don’t have the means to do so, you might just click on some of the ads on the site. Ad revenue usually doesn’t add up to much, but every little bit helps I’m sure.

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Drake Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 10:55 pm

P.P.S. If it were up to me, I would wrather have quantity over absolute quality. The Volt in general, and PHEV technology specifically, are very important to me and I love having a one-stop place to go to hear the most recent facts, ideas, and rumors concerning these topics.

I don’t think anyone would want Lyle to slow the release/creation of content that goes on to this site just because he was worried about not having CNN-quality production capabilities at his disposal for every post.

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Oil Jihadi Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 11:04 pm

Drake said: “we want and demand vehicles that can free us from oil _now_”

Spoken like a true Oil Jihadi!

Death to oil!
http://www.oiljihad.org

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kent beuchert Says:
October 28th, 2007 at 11:56 pm

I really caught very little of what was said – the audio was being drwoned out by the ambient noise. I believe that perhaps the mikes were not placed properly or perhaps are engineered to pick up distant
sounds. You might check with someone who’s
into audio recording to find a better set of mikes. Or record in a closed room without the extraneous noise. Or simply write a summery of the points covered.

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Kyle Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 12:35 am

Lyle,
Thanks for a great interview and for getting out there and spending your time on it. I was particularly pleased that you asked them about the displays. Next time, if you would, please suggest to them the idea that the car, upon starting, should really ask the driver something about how far they expect to go. (e.g. “usual commute” or “going all the way to grand-ma’s.”) Yes, I mean, it really should talk to you. Okay, I’d settle for a manual interface. But, the key thing is that knowing whether or not you are about to embark on a 20 or 40 mile trip or a 400 mile trip should change the way the vehicle operates, e.g. all electric mode, or all ICE-assisted mode.

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bruce g Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 12:52 am

Hmmm..
Someone with body language experience may choose to comment.
It seemed to me he was very comfortable with what he was saying.
If the battery is late , well so is the Dreamliner and the A380.
Good things are worth waiting for.

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GripperDon Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 2:42 am

Thanks for all your efforts Lyle. I had hope you would ask about the range impact of the ir Conditioner. But alas until another interview. Again thanks for your good efforts.

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Mike756 Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 5:40 am

Lyle,

Like others have said, the video quality wasn’t that great, but I was able to understand everything. You asked a lot of good questions. Thanks for everything that you are doing.

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Jack Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 7:09 am

I enjoy reading or hearing about the Volt, but with this interview they should have picked a room that had no clatter and at least turn of the TV that was in the background. That would have been a no brainer.

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SueN. Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 7:15 am

This stuff is all kinda new to me… my daughter is attending Ohio Technical College for Automotive and one weekend when she was home we watched “Who Killed the Electric Car’ and we both cried. I plan on buying one more new car before I retire in 10 years so I hope GM gets their act together and gets the Volt to market by then (and affordable for the average bozo). This morning the news is saying oil will hit $100 per barrel soon… it may come down to can I afford to drive my gas car or heat my house?

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Dave B Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 7:25 am

As someone who reads transcripts on a daily basis, I can promise all of you they are very time consuming and EXPENSIVE. In the interest of keeping this site free of charge and constant information, I’m plenty happy with the video. Thanks Lyle.

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Dayrl H Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 7:51 am

DJ,
I wasn’t able to see the video, but please don’t wait on the Hydrogen Cell. We need to be independent of fossil fuels now. NOW! This is the Twenty First Century. That means to drop the old ways and move into the future. We have the capability now. We can even send men to the moon and beyond. Can’t I go across town or the country on electric power? Please, please please, lets go.
Live Long and Prosper
Dayrl F Hern

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Mark Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 8:14 am

Lyle,

I also read transcripts on a regular basis at work. I know they take a lot of time, but if you would be willing I would take a stab at transcribing one a month for you. I assume you have my e-mail with this post, so let me know. Others can follow my lead, or cut the criticism.

The only question that I have that I have not seen addressed is whether there is any negative impact on the Volt operating in cold-weather climates. I live in Wisconsin, and passed on a VW diesel a few years ago, with one of the major reasons being uneasiness about operating in sub-zero temperatures.

-Mark

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RB Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 9:02 am

Thanks for this highly informative video. There was background noise, but I could make everything out. I thought the information on the staffing adjustments was important. Also, the interest (at least) in displays is a good step. It seems to me that at GM the momentum is shifting toward the hydrogen-powered car, at least for now. Perhaps this shift is a corollary of waiting for the batteries. However, one could imagine GM trying to “transition us” from a battery interest to a fuel cell interest, though for me it is not happening. The good part is that the battery car is still under development. Bringing in the person with EV-1 experience, while linking to some negative memories, is a good step — things go better with actual knowledge. On the other hand, seeing the high level people shift over to the fuel-cell version is a bit of a disappointment.

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RB Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 9:09 am

Mark and others have wondered about cold-weather issues. I think the car is going to work OK in cold weather. There likely will be some performance degradation, but there is not the issue of cold-weather cranking, the black pit of ICE cars. The overall battery capacity should stay about the same, even if peak current is diminished. Once underway the temperature can be normalized. However, this issue is one that is going to require actual batteries to quantify, so I can understand why engineers at GM are not likely to say anything definitive now.

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Dwayne Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 9:28 am

Perhaps GM considers the ICE Volt to be a done deal. The movement of senior staff to the fuel cell version may make sense in that the fuel cell work is much more risky. The design of the ICE itself is likely a no brainier for GM. The EV and batteries (which is the part we are most concerned with) are in common with both vehicles.

I work as a System Engineer for Lockheed Martin and have often observed talent being moved to where there is more concern or risk on a project. This may just be a sign that the ICE Volt is a given.

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voltman Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 9:38 am

“But, the key thing is that knowing whether or not you are about to embark on a 20 or 40 mile trip or a 400 mile trip should change the way the vehicle operates, e.g. all electric mode, or all ICE-assisted mode.”

Why does it need to know how far you are planning to travel? It drives until the batteries are at a specific level (30% was mentioned) then it turns on the generator to power the car. Same thing, every day.

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RB Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 10:11 am

I am going to be optimistic and take the view that Dwayne is correct.

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noel park Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 10:44 am

I agree with Drake, #5. We need a world class product in the marketplace, sooner rather than later. I want to reduce my fuel consumption and make a statement soon. As a die hard Chevy person, I am willing to wait until 2010 for the Volt, but no longer.

If it turns into 2015 or something for some sort of fuel cell fantasy, I will choke and buy whatever is the best product available in 2010. The issue of hydrogen infrastructure has been discussed at length here. The energy efficiency of creating hydrogen in the near term is another whole issue.

If, as previously discussed, Honda or Toyota introduce a less than $20,000, 55 mpg, hybrid in 2009, I fear that they will so saturate the market that the Volt may be left to us die hards who will loyally wait.

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Lyle Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 10:45 am

Sorry about the quality..I am not a media professional but I wanted to share the experience with as many as possible. I wont be able to hand transcribe it, but I am glad to take Mark up on his generous offer.

I learn from each experiment so wil be able to improve future efforts.

I thought about a hand mike but my camera didnt accept an input.

If you listen carefully and adjust your PC volumes well, you can make it out.

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Steven B Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 11:02 am

I expected as much for the AER of city and highway driving. I’m happy to hear my expectations confirmed. I think that the video quality was not that good, but the video content was plenty good. I’d still like to hear from someone on the future energy side of things, DOE or Utility people to talk about how we’re going to power the electric cars and learn if the utility policy-makers are going to integrate V2G programs. But so far so good, Lyle, thank you for all the hard work you’ve put in so far. And I don’t think it would be a bad idea for us in the GM-Volt.com community to help you out some. If you would like a certain amount of money raised or technical assistance, I don’t think it would be hard to get it here.

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MC Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 11:06 am

No worries, Lyle– keep up the fantastic work! I’m still amazed you’re able to help pull together so much info so consistently, enough to keep my voracious curiosity at bay.

As for the fuel cell focus, I’d have to agree with Dwayne #26. I don’t think it diminishes the near term plan of getting the platform out the door.

One thing I’m interested it– how easy might it be to switch out (or ideally just recalibrate) the ICE to take different input fuels (i.e., gas, diesel, biodiesel, ethanol, etc)?

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Nick Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 11:27 am

Griping about audio quality is a bit immature. This site is a great free service that takes a lot of time and effort to produce an keep current. We are lucky to have it at all and should be very grateful to Lyle. A constructive response to the video quality would be to give some tips about how it might be improved in the future or even donate the relevant equipment.

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OhmExcited Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 12:23 pm

We learned definitively that the Volt’s electric motor will be 3-phase A/C, not D/C brushless. This is similar to the EV1 and Tesla Roadster designs, but will have more horsepower than the EV1. I think it will be pretty fun to drive. An esoteric question to ask them is if the coil will be copper (better) or aluminum, who designs the motor, and where it will be manufactured.

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Dan Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 1:19 pm

I think GM needs to get this car out ASAP. It doesn’t matter if the batteries are not ready. The battery packs could be leased and when the final battery packs are available then they can be swapped out. The technology will be improving all the time so why wait. The volt should be upgradeable just like a computer. There are already a lot of electric cars out there already so what are you waiting for???

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George Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 1:20 pm

What people don’t realize is that this is a race for survival at GM. We understand that this is the next wave of newtype marketable cars. If GM is smart they will beat Toyota to the market. Toyota can always fall back on their existing hybrid market but for GM it’s a life and death decision. Good luck GM!

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AES Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

Ohm-

The EV1 motor had a copper rotor:

http://www.engr.wisc.edu/studentorgs/vehicle/newsletter/summer2003.pdf

So I suspect the Volt will as well.

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Jim Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 3:22 pm

Your video was absolutely terrible! The video portion was dim and faded, and the audio portion was next to impossible to understand. It would have been nice if a copy of the text had been included. That way I would at least know what they were talking about. Hopefully it was about the latest developments on the production version of the Volt.

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D.J. Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 5:19 pm

The Volt may have more hp than the Ev cars BUT how much is it going to weigh? I’m sure it will not way close to the EV-1s. We already know that the wheel/tire package that is on the “prototype” are not going to be the ones on the final product. As soon as the GM/Chevron battery patent expire, there are going to be so many electric vehicle options out there, the Volt will be soon forgotten. There will be other companies that will make a full electric vehicle with 150+ miles on a single charge. The ICE is old and outdated. The rest of the world is surpassing us right now.

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Rashiid Amul Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 5:25 pm

About 40 miles on the highway is very encouraging.

He mentions how GM is studying how their competitors are making the dashboard displays and such. What GM should do is ask
their customers how they want the displays to look like and how car will give is feedback.

Lyle, nice job on the video. A lot of people here are slamming it.
The video was fine and easy to understand. I am grateful for how well you keep this site up-to-date daily. This is best site. Thank you for the wonderful job you are doing.

Nick at #33 is correct. Constructive assistance from the people at this site would be more helpful than slamming you. They have no right to do that. They don’t pay for this site and you are doing it outside of your normal life taking time away from fun and your loved ones.

With that said, I agree with Stephen B #31. If you need some donated money, I’m in. This site is too important for it to go away.

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Lee Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 6:39 pm

Nice job, Lyle I appreciate the effort you are putting into this. I’m sure you’ll manage to corral the interviewee into a nice quiet corner next time, although I could understand most of what was said. It’s good to know you are staying on this developing story, and as was already stated previously, GM and the other automakers are surely keeping an eye on this site and all developments.

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SteveF Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 8:17 pm

I like to add another “Great Job, Lyle”. All your efforts are appreciated. For myself I was able to understand what was said and enjoyed the additional information.

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AG Says:
October 29th, 2007 at 9:59 pm

Lyle is during a great service. Thanks Lyle.

Dwayne is right. As far as the reorg goes it means the Volt is in hurry up & wait mode: GM is ready, but the batteries are not so GM has taken their more senior staff to optimize their use of man power.

the EV for GM was child’s play. The real originality and real money to be made comes from the e-Flex ideal. You have to keep people as smart as these GM engineers interested by throwing a lot of varied challenges at them. Hydrogen fuel cells have long been considered an unobtainable pipe dream by most. These guys ain’t surfing the net waiting for 4:59.

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Robert Ackerlind Says:
October 30th, 2007 at 1:21 pm

The Volt is a non-flexable car. It will never be made. The batteries are ready now. The Rav 4 EV has NIMH with 60 mile range. Litium catches fire. Feul cells will use hydrogen reformed from fossil fuels (high prices)and emit just as much global warming gas (CO2) as we are now. The Volt is just another PR ruse. It will never be “ready”.

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Rashiid Amul Says:
October 30th, 2007 at 4:45 pm

Robert Ackerlind Says “It will never be made……..The Volt is just another PR ruse. It will never be “ready”.”

Robert, of course you are right. The Volt will never be made. That is why GM is spending lots of money showing the car, advertising the car, building the car, testing the car. They are really just fooling everyone by pulling this silly stunt. Lyle takes the time to interview GM engineers on this project, of which there are many. But these engineers are really just faking it and trying to fool everyone also. The volt will never be made.

Robert, are you really this clueless? Why would they just use this as a PR ruse? They have everything to lose and nothing to gain by it. The Volt will be here soon enough. It will be built and most of us on this blog will be driving it.

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D.J. Says:
October 30th, 2007 at 5:36 pm

I have to agree with Robert Ackerlind. I believe it only makes GM “look good” and it will never be released. It is purely PR. They continue to push the date further away. GM should have never sold their battery patents to Chevron. Besides, they make more money on their full-size trucks and suv’s.

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Lyle Says:
October 30th, 2007 at 5:52 pm

Whatever any who are cynical in spirit may believe, you are certainly welcome to your opinion. Nothing in life is ever guaranteed.

I can tell you firsthand, though, GM is dead serious about making this car, not only because of the tremendous advertising, and monumentally putting their neck on the line, but also because the resources and people are there.

The people I interview are genuine engineers with tremendous reputations and would not play a part in some fictitious billion dollar theater, for what?

Not to mention the billions of dollars A123, CPI and the like stand to make selling batteries. Can GM really be pulling the wool over their eyes too?

In the end only time will tell. The Rav4 EV crowd seem angry, but in time, they will come around.

Anyway everyone is welcome and appreciated here.

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Kyle Says:
October 31st, 2007 at 12:35 am

We can only hope that GM will continue to see the light and follow through on the vision that inspired the Volt. The sad truth is that we have seen terrible mis-steps in the past. There was a time when Roger Smith, then CEO of GM, said that the EV1 was to be a big thing. Times changed, people changed, and forces within the company itself moved against that vision. Now, of course, they view the decision to kill the EV1 as a mistake (as Rick Wagoner has acknowledged). Could the same happen to the Volt down the road? Yes, but I doubt it. There has finally been a sea change in the national debate and people, by in large, have a vague understanding that oil and carbon are a problem. The EV1 and the people that got it through GM were ahead of their time. I believe that the Volt is not a stunt and it will be the harbinger of great things to come. Lets hope GM gets it done sooner than later, for its sake and ours.

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Scott Says:
October 31st, 2007 at 12:48 am

Kyle, I couldn’t agree more. I’m sick and tired of paying for $3/gal. gasoline. I’ll be ready for a new car about the time this thing comes out. Later.

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Kyle Says:
October 31st, 2007 at 12:49 am

voltman asks, “Why does it need to know how far you are planning to travel? It drives until the batteries are at a specific level (30% was mentioned) then it turns on the generator to power the car. Same thing, every day.”
Well, of course, you are correct – it certainly could operate in the manner you described – same thing every day. It probably will, since we haven’t seen anything to the contrary and it would take effort to optimize the system, and (worse yet) they might not even get credit for it from the EPA if they did. Nevertheless, I will claim that there are advantages to doing so. Note that we expect that the car will be more efficient in city driving using the battery than on the highway using battery (as per Lyle’s question in the interview). Also, note that 1 kWh in the battery generated by the range extender will typically expend more net CO2 than 1 kWh from the power company. I was being somewhat flippant when I said that one need only know how far one is going. Ideally, one would know a lot more. Consider if the car had GPS and new that you were going to Grandma’s, which is 350 miles away, she’s deep in a city, and that you are starting off your trip near the freeway. In that case, I’m pretty sure that the least carbon impact trip will be NOT to drive the first 30+ miles on battery only at which point the ICE kicks in when the battery is at 30%. Instead, I think a more optimized route planner would have the ICE run for the start of the trip and then run the final city miles on the battery.

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Robert Ackerlind Says:
October 31st, 2007 at 3:24 am

phev’s were “ready” over a hundred years ago. take your electric car, add a ice motor and you have no range issues. Porshe raced a phev with hub motors. we don’t have to wait for any “science”. there are only two reserves of lithium in the world for real economy of scale. Peru and China. give us our nimh batteries that are ready now and we have no global warming problem or foreign fuel wars either. the second generation ev1 had a nimh batteriy. expose chevron’s patent scandal as a dangerous monoply that is profiting from unfair practices. let inovation progress. lets talk facts and stop debating “opinions” and “theater”. do not make the volt “have the ICE run for the start of the trip” does Kyle work for chevron?

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Dave Smith Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 5:31 pm

The camera and audio work were awful. Tighter shot needed, away from the windows if possible (wash out), lapel mic or wireless hand held for the interviewer. Camera mounted mics are almost useless.

We’re not talking a lot of money here – mostly technique.

I have to agree with may others here. This needs a transcript. I could not hear the interviewee.

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Byron Says:
November 7th, 2007 at 3:50 pm

Thanks Lyle for the site. Went to the Seattle Auto Show this weekend. GM had a fuel cell and the new Camero but no Volt. Suppose to be 30 fuel cells on the road in CA and Wash DC., the only place they can refuel them. When ask when available the best answer was three to five years. No fuel stations for the cell. Same answer for the Volt. My take on this has always been when the big oil companys control the fuel weather battery, hydrogen, or what ever, it will happen. Big money will all so dictate when we will get these. Today it was annouced GM took a 39 billion dollar loss. Oil hit close to $98,00 a barrel and gas reported at $3.23 a gallon in this state. Maybe time to rethink the SUV’s. I saw a Toyota Prius suppose to get 30 miles between charges being test drove on the Internet, when ask when available, they didn’t know. A local Co has a conversion for the Prius all ready available for $9000.00 so it can be done. Looked at everything from the Bentley’s to Kia’s and the Prius won hands down for gas milege, room and customer satisfaction so far if your just looking for transportation and not a muscle car. The Old’s turned 217000 and waiting. 3.8 V6, half city, half hwy 24mpg last 14 gallons. Thats a 1986, 98 4door Broughn.

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