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		<title>By: GM-VOLT : Chevy Volt Concept Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Production not Chemistry is Reason for Delay in Mass Producing Plug-in Cars like the Chevy Volt</title>
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		<dc:creator>GM-VOLT : Chevy Volt Concept Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Production not Chemistry is Reason for Delay in Mass Producing Plug-in Cars like the Chevy Volt</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Ergyad.Com &#187; The Facts on Timing of Automotive Battery Mass Production</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ergyad.Com &#187; The Facts on Timing of Automotive Battery Mass Production</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the battery from Ener1 Inc., I thought they were in the running too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the battery from Ener1 Inc., I thought they were in the running too?</p>
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		<title>By: Grizzly</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/10/26/the-facts-on-timing-of-automotive-battery-mass-production/#comment-12263</link>
		<dc:creator>Grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AES Says:
October 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pm Quote

&quot;The automotive industry as a whole has evolved towards having separate contractors design and supply many different components (e.g. Delphi, Valeo, Bosch, BorgWarner, Getrag). So the article’s assumption that GM would be building the batteries from scratch all by itself is rather striking in its fundamental ignorance of how the industry operates - and also ignorant of months-old developments in the Volt story.&quot;

The is true of almost ANY manufacturer of complexity.  If you were talking about a Caterpillar Bulldozer, many of the parts on that Dozer would be made by outside contractors, this is but one example, but it goes w/o saying.

That&#039;s why that article that quoted, of all people, a University professor, who obviously has no idea what he&#039;s talking about caused such controversy. 

We have a large ship builder near where I live that builds our Nuclear aircraft carriers.  In fact the only facility in the    U.S. that builds them.  When they were having difficulty in the 90&#039;s the local news interviewed an Economics professor from a local university that suggested they start building merchant marine ships.  

The local paper ran an article about his comments, and interviewed many shipbuilding experts from around the nation who could not believe his comments, and outlined why that would not be the thing to do, and suggested he really didn&#039;t know what he was talking about.  Turns out he didn&#039;t. 

A few contractual changes, including contract work on repairing navy vessels and 3 new carrier contracts and the shipyard was back on it&#039;s feet.

Just a case in point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AES Says:<br />
October 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pm Quote</p>
<p>&#8220;The automotive industry as a whole has evolved towards having separate contractors design and supply many different components (e.g. Delphi, Valeo, Bosch, BorgWarner, Getrag). So the article’s assumption that GM would be building the batteries from scratch all by itself is rather striking in its fundamental ignorance of how the industry operates &#8211; and also ignorant of months-old developments in the Volt story.&#8221;</p>
<p>The is true of almost ANY manufacturer of complexity.  If you were talking about a Caterpillar Bulldozer, many of the parts on that Dozer would be made by outside contractors, this is but one example, but it goes w/o saying.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why that article that quoted, of all people, a University professor, who obviously has no idea what he&#8217;s talking about caused such controversy. </p>
<p>We have a large ship builder near where I live that builds our Nuclear aircraft carriers.  In fact the only facility in the    U.S. that builds them.  When they were having difficulty in the 90&#8217;s the local news interviewed an Economics professor from a local university that suggested they start building merchant marine ships.  </p>
<p>The local paper ran an article about his comments, and interviewed many shipbuilding experts from around the nation who could not believe his comments, and outlined why that would not be the thing to do, and suggested he really didn&#8217;t know what he was talking about.  Turns out he didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>A few contractual changes, including contract work on repairing navy vessels and 3 new carrier contracts and the shipyard was back on it&#8217;s feet.</p>
<p>Just a case in point.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an expert. But, it seems to me trying to build a new lithium battery plant in the US would encounter environmental roadblocks at every step. Why not just buy from the A123 plant in Korea if that&#039;s where it is and save money, time and lawsuits.  I&#039;m just going by what I read and hear on the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an expert. But, it seems to me trying to build a new lithium battery plant in the US would encounter environmental roadblocks at every step. Why not just buy from the A123 plant in Korea if that&#8217;s where it is and save money, time and lawsuits.  I&#8217;m just going by what I read and hear on the news.</p>
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		<title>By: kent beuchert</title>
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		<dc:creator>kent beuchert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, thanks Lyle. It&#039;s good to know that 
the NY Times deserved the faceslapping I gave it over this claim. That &quot;expert&quot; made
that particular statement a while ago. Apparently the Times reporter saw that quote and simply copied it into his recent article. Old or new, the quote sounded fishy because to believe it you has to believe a lot of other, rather unlikely things. As I&#039;ve said ever since I read pure BS in the NY Times about a stock I owned, that rag is living on its past glories.  
Money is tight and we can see the result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, thanks Lyle. It&#8217;s good to know that<br />
the NY Times deserved the faceslapping I gave it over this claim. That &#8220;expert&#8221; made<br />
that particular statement a while ago. Apparently the Times reporter saw that quote and simply copied it into his recent article. Old or new, the quote sounded fishy because to believe it you has to believe a lot of other, rather unlikely things. As I&#8217;ve said ever since I read pure BS in the NY Times about a stock I owned, that rag is living on its past glories.<br />
Money is tight and we can see the result.</p>
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		<title>By: AES</title>
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		<dc:creator>AES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The automotive industry as a whole has evolved towards having separate contractors design and supply many different components (e.g. Delphi, Valeo, Bosch, BorgWarner, Getrag). So the article&#039;s assumption that GM would be building the batteries from scratch all by itself is rather striking in its fundamental ignorance of how the industry operates - and also ignorant of months-old developments in the Volt story. I&#039;m really surprised they let that article get published, and if I were the reporter I would be rather embarrassed at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The automotive industry as a whole has evolved towards having separate contractors design and supply many different components (e.g. Delphi, Valeo, Bosch, BorgWarner, Getrag). So the article&#8217;s assumption that GM would be building the batteries from scratch all by itself is rather striking in its fundamental ignorance of how the industry operates &#8211; and also ignorant of months-old developments in the Volt story. I&#8217;m really surprised they let that article get published, and if I were the reporter I would be rather embarrassed at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the batteries likely to be single cell packs?  If so, it doesn&#039;t sound like making 60,000 in a year (what I believe GM said how many Volts they planned to produce the 1st year) would be that much of a problem. But I&#039;m not in the battery maker business so would believe the makers quoted above.

Regarding who should get (be allowed to buy) the first Volts off the line... a good PR move would be to give 1st option to those who had leased EV1&#039;s (http://ev1.org/) and GM had to pry the keys out of their hands.  If you can win those EV1 drivers back it will go a long way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the batteries likely to be single cell packs?  If so, it doesn&#8217;t sound like making 60,000 in a year (what I believe GM said how many Volts they planned to produce the 1st year) would be that much of a problem. But I&#8217;m not in the battery maker business so would believe the makers quoted above.</p>
<p>Regarding who should get (be allowed to buy) the first Volts off the line&#8230; a good PR move would be to give 1st option to those who had leased EV1&#8217;s (<a href="http://ev1.org/" rel="nofollow">http://ev1.org/</a>) and GM had to pry the keys out of their hands.  If you can win those EV1 drivers back it will go a long way.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grizzly,

Both. 

They partner with NASDAQ traded CBAK and have their own facilities. The current new investment is to bring more of their own facilities on-line but clearly large volume will use their partner as well. The bottom line as demand goes up no doubt will be the bottom line: will it be cheaper to sub it out or to build it themselves? Without doubt their partner is put on notice that they have to price competitively enough if they are to get that business. CBAK for their sake is also in the business of other Li ion batteries and has a letter of intent with HP that may take up some of their current excess capacity if it goes through. They have also planned on developing in-China EV markets but so far other Chinese battery companies have cut those deals (GBT - publicly traded as well, Lishen, and BYD who is building their own brand of EVs)

Disclosure: personally long CBAK, GBT, GM, and a bunch of the battery players and other firms that I believe will benefit from what I see as the dawning of an EV transportion system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grizzly,</p>
<p>Both. </p>
<p>They partner with NASDAQ traded CBAK and have their own facilities. The current new investment is to bring more of their own facilities on-line but clearly large volume will use their partner as well. The bottom line as demand goes up no doubt will be the bottom line: will it be cheaper to sub it out or to build it themselves? Without doubt their partner is put on notice that they have to price competitively enough if they are to get that business. CBAK for their sake is also in the business of other Li ion batteries and has a letter of intent with HP that may take up some of their current excess capacity if it goes through. They have also planned on developing in-China EV markets but so far other Chinese battery companies have cut those deals (GBT &#8211; publicly traded as well, Lishen, and BYD who is building their own brand of EVs)</p>
<p>Disclosure: personally long CBAK, GBT, GM, and a bunch of the battery players and other firms that I believe will benefit from what I see as the dawning of an EV transportion system.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brandow</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brandow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things this indicates to me is that they either already have decided on, or are close to deciding on, which batteries they are going to mass produce. This raises the obvious question - what are the specs on those batteries and what are they going to cost?  It sounds to me like they probably already know those answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things this indicates to me is that they either already have decided on, or are close to deciding on, which batteries they are going to mass produce. This raises the obvious question &#8211; what are the specs on those batteries and what are they going to cost?  It sounds to me like they probably already know those answers.</p>
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