Comments on: Bob Lutz Admits Battery Advantage over Toyota http://gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:11:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: greg E http://gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/#comment-7360 greg E Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:31:42 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/#comment-7360 I think independence of oil is the KEY to the volt The whole word HYBIRD seems like a Combo technology. Electric Car seems superior in the way that it uses no transmission and no engine. This equates to a longer life and a car that could last forever as long as the electric motors last. My feeling is they SHOULD offer the Volt as an option without the range extender. No gass engine at all. This option would be for real ECO people who want no gas at all, would directly compete with the teslea. Last but not least with no engine the weight would be less and you could have an option for an upgraded battery. 2 vehicle systems would define the volt as a special car. The Prius could never do this and never will. The volt is pure electric and by having a No gas at all option would really define the car even more. The owners in large city's might never use the gas engine at all and would ad to the weight and more service. Were if you lived in the country the gas range extender engine would be a must. I think independence of oil is the KEY to the volt

The whole word HYBIRD seems like a Combo technology.

Electric Car seems superior in the way that it uses no transmission and no engine. This equates to a longer life and a car that could last forever as long as the electric motors last.

My feeling is they SHOULD offer the Volt as an option without the range extender. No gass engine at all.

This option would be for real ECO people who want no gas at all,
would directly compete with the teslea.

Last but not least with no engine the weight would be less and you could have an option for an upgraded battery.

2 vehicle systems would define the volt as a special car.

The Prius could never do this and never will.

The volt is pure electric and by having a No gas at all option would really define the car even more.

The owners in large city’s might never use the gas engine at all and would ad to the weight and more service.

Were if you lived in the country the gas range extender engine would be a must.

]]> By: John http://gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/#comment-7309 John Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:30:39 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/#comment-7309 [quote comment="7257"]Personally, I don't see how you can judge a company or its products today based on a product they made 15-20 years ago. My 1989 Chevy car was very unreliable. My 1994 Chevy car was nearly perfect. My 2000 Subaru SUW was good. My 2003 GM SUV was/is good.[/quote]One would think that time moves on... [quote comment="7257"]Personally, I don’t see how you can judge a company or its products today based on a product they made 15-20 years ago.

My 1989 Chevy car was very unreliable.
My 1994 Chevy car was nearly perfect.
My 2000 Subaru SUW was good.
My 2003 GM SUV was/is good.[/quote]One would think that time moves on…

]]> By: John http://gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/#comment-7308 John Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:28:16 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/#comment-7308 [quote comment="7167"]Perhaps it is time to start living in the present instead of the past. GM builds quality products and have for quite a few years. My car is an example; 181,000 miles and purring like a kitten![/quote] Well said. The mullet is long-gone, and a few posters would do well to shave theirs off. GM for one has had less recalls than Toyota for the past 3 years (or more?). FAR less. Toyota is a great company, but ignorance is tragic. [quote comment="7167"]Perhaps it is time to start living in the present instead of the past. GM builds quality products and have for quite a few years. My car is an example; 181,000 miles and purring like a kitten![/quote]
Well said. The mullet is long-gone, and a few posters would do well to shave theirs off.
GM for one has had less recalls than Toyota for the past 3 years (or more?).
FAR less.

Toyota is a great company, but ignorance is tragic.

]]> By: John http://gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/#comment-7307 John Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:26:19 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/#comment-7307 [quote comment="7161"]Dale, I understand what you are saying. I have owned two GM cars in my life. The first was a 1974 Chevy Nova. The Nova was a great car. In 1986, fresh out of college, I bought my first brand new car. A 1986 Pontiac Sunbird. That car was such a piece of junk, I never bought another American car again. But I will buy the Volt. No doubt about it.[/quote] 1986 was 20 years ago. [quote comment="7161"]Dale, I understand what you are saying. I have owned two GM cars in my life. The first was a 1974 Chevy Nova. The Nova was a great car. In 1986, fresh out of college, I bought my first brand new car. A 1986 Pontiac Sunbird. That car was such a piece of junk, I never bought another American car again. But I will buy the Volt. No doubt about it.[/quote]
1986 was 20 years ago.

]]> By: John http://gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/#comment-7304 John Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:23:57 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/09/10/bob-lutz-admits-battery-advantage-over-toyota/#comment-7304 [quote comment="7155"]I will have a hard time buying a GM product. Have owned many of them and they just fell apart.[/quote] That is almost certainly a gross exaggeration. How many have you owned for real? What do you mean by "just fell apart"? 90% of longevity in cars is maintenance; and with a statement like the following, I question whether you knew enough about cars to maintain them properly in the first place: [quote comment="7155"]The Japanese engineers are just better than GM’s, plus the vehicle builders seem to have more pride in their product.[/quote] What basis do you have for both of these statements? Interviews with Japanese car builders? Statistical analysis of the qualifications of American and Japanese engineers? What does "better than" mean? Better looking? This statement is unquantifiable and thus as good as untrue. American, Japanese and German engineers are about as good as one another (so much so, that BMW and Mercedes-Benz bought into GM's hybrid system and NOT Toyota's. You will see it in the upcoming BMW X6, Mercedes-Benz ML Hybrid and the Dodge Durango. And that is just the start of it. [quote comment="7155"]I am willing to pay thousands more for a Toyota than a GM product[/quote] Toyota for one would be overjoyed at your duplicity, though your knowledge of cars doesn't seem to be serving your pocket well. Remember: "...and his money are soon parted." [quote comment="7155"]...and it will take a lot to prove that GM is producing quality product rather than a through away machine.[/quote] GM is already producing quality machines and has been for quite some time now--as attested to by the automotive press. Nothing needs to be "proven"--except, perhaps, that "feelings" are not "reality". One would hope that you'll be more prudent in the future--but it is better to "feel" comfortable if that is what it takes. After all, life is short. Life would certainly be shorter if you got in the way of the customer stampede when the Volt comes out in 2009/10. [quote comment="7155"]I will have a hard time buying a GM product. Have owned many of them and they just fell apart.[/quote]

That is almost certainly a gross exaggeration.
How many have you owned for real?
What do you mean by “just fell apart”?
90% of longevity in cars is maintenance; and with a statement like the following, I question whether you knew enough about cars to maintain them properly in the first place:

[quote comment="7155"]The Japanese engineers are just better than GM’s, plus the vehicle builders seem to have more pride in their product.[/quote]

What basis do you have for both of these statements?
Interviews with Japanese car builders?
Statistical analysis of the qualifications of American and Japanese engineers?
What does “better than” mean?
Better looking?

This statement is unquantifiable and thus as good as untrue.
American, Japanese and German engineers are about as good as one another (so much so, that BMW and Mercedes-Benz bought into GM’s hybrid system and NOT Toyota’s.

You will see it in the upcoming BMW X6, Mercedes-Benz ML Hybrid and the Dodge Durango.

And that is just the start of it.

[quote comment="7155"]I am willing to pay thousands more for a Toyota than a GM product[/quote]

Toyota for one would be overjoyed at your duplicity, though your knowledge of cars doesn’t seem to be serving your pocket well.
Remember:
“…and his money are soon parted.”

[quote comment="7155"]…and it will take a lot to prove that GM is producing quality product rather than a through away machine.[/quote]
GM is already producing quality machines and has been for quite some time now–as attested to by the automotive press.
Nothing needs to be “proven”–except, perhaps, that “feelings” are not “reality”.

One would hope that you’ll be more prudent in the future–but it is better to “feel” comfortable if that is what it takes. After all, life is short.
Life would certainly be shorter if you got in the way of the customer stampede when the Volt comes out in 2009/10.

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