Comments on: Will GM Lease the Chevy Volt Battery Pack?

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By: GM mulling leasing the plug-ion battery pack for the Volt? » Hybrid News

GM mulling leasing the plug-ion battery pack for the Volt? » Hybrid News — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:50:06 +0000

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By: Len

Len — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:20:56 +0000

Battery – Lease??? Buy??? I have been driving electric vehicles for the last six years – only problem, the batteries don\’t last more than a few months – and I am talking about top quality deep-cycle batteries ($200+ each for 12 volt batteries) with expected life times of 6 to 8 years. The batteries have a 2 year guarantee and test \

By: Paul

Paul — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 05:39:25 +0000

What guarantee do you have that GM won’t destroy the Volt project? None. What guarantee do you have that the Sun will rise tomorrow? Again, none.

However…

This is a different (apparently wiser) GM executive team than existed during the EV1 project. Compared to the EV1 project, the Volt is being taken 100x more seriously and being given 100x more resources. Also, GM executives now realize they are being watched through a microscope. And at this point, I think they will do whatever it takes to pull GM’s corporate reputation out of the crapper. Destroying the Volt project would be corporate suicide at this point, and they certainly know it.

So in my opinion, one’s buy/lease decision should be based on economics and the possibility of battery system failure. It should not be based on any GM mistrust/resentment from what happened with the EV1.

By: Mark

Mark — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:55:49 +0000

I do not agree with this AT ALL. GM didn’t allow the out-right purchasing of the EV-1, and guess what happened? they recalled every one of them and destroyed them, And even arrested those who would not give it up! What guarantee do we have that they will not do this again? What guarantee do we have that they will not suddenly change their mind, stop producing the batteries and not give Volt owners any recourse? I would like to know this.

By: Van

Van — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:41:09 +0000

Apparently the only reason provided for the lease option is a business write-off. So for fleet sales, a battery lease versus a vehicle lease makes little sense to me.

Second, what will the battery cost? Certainly not significantly below $500 per KWH, or $8000, and not significantly higher than $1500 per KWH or $24,000.

Now if the Volt, minus the battery costs about $14,000, then the Volt could cost between $22,000 and $40,000. And since it only has an AER of about 20 miles, and an extended range mileage of about 55 MPG, it might seem a little pricey, since a Prius costs about $24,000, and will get about 52 MPG with the next generation HSD.

Hopefully we will not be forced to buy a low cost Lithium battery with short circuit fire hazard, or a safe battery at high cost, but that is how the tea leaves seem to arranging themeselves.

By: Jack the R

Jack the R — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:18:07 +0000

Leasing the battery I can see, if it’s clearly explained to the customer that they are going to take the used battery at X years and, say, resell it to a power utility for off-hour energy storage – and let the customer lease a new improved battery in it’s place. That’s a win-win situation all the way around.

What I don’t like is this talk of weekly payments. That’s too much of a hassle. But if it’s one monthly payment lumped into the regular car payment, or if you can pay the full cost of the lease up front and be done with it for X years, and take out a lease on a new improved battery when x years are up – that’s acceptable.

By: Lyle

Lyle — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:49:10 +0000

It is my unofficial understanding that A123 can still work with other vendors, I know they have recently been having talks in Asia.

BTW started a poll about leasing:

http://www.gm-volt.com/volt-vote/