Comments on: What’s the Hymotion Commotion? http://gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/ Real-time news, information, and discussion about the Chevrolet Volt. Thu, 24 May 2012 12:57:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jorply http://gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/#comment-123312 Jorply Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:31:15 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/#comment-123312 Release me from my pain! haha. I just made $620 playing online poker (Texas Holdem) at http://post691.com - Time to party! Release me from my pain! haha. I just made $620 playing online poker (Texas Holdem) at http://post691.com – Time to party!

]]> By: Don http://gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/#comment-5531 Don Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:07:13 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/#comment-5531 BTW using the figures posted in today's update in which we learned that the Volt is planned to go 40 miles on 8kwh we can calculate its efficiency when using grid derived power alone and compare it to the Tesla, Phoenix, and the Prius. I get that it operates at 2.24 km/MJ (see, I'm educable :)). So we have the Prius at 0.68 km/MJ, the Phoenix at 1.66 km/MJ, the Tesla at 2.18 km/MJ and the Volt at a best yet 2.24. Well to wheel efficiency using today's electricity generating mix and working off of grid derived power is 0.85, a 52% improvement over the Prius. BTW using the figures posted in today’s update in which we learned that the Volt is planned to go 40 miles on 8kwh we can calculate its efficiency when using grid derived power alone and compare it to the Tesla, Phoenix, and the Prius. I get that it operates at 2.24 km/MJ (see, I’m educable :) ). So we have the Prius at 0.68 km/MJ, the Phoenix at 1.66 km/MJ, the Tesla at 2.18 km/MJ and the Volt at a best yet 2.24. Well to wheel efficiency using today’s electricity generating mix and working off of grid derived power is 0.85, a 52% improvement over the Prius.

]]> By: Oil Jihadi http://gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/#comment-5525 Oil Jihadi Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:00:19 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/#comment-5525 We first need vehicles like the Volt, then we need lots of new nuclear reactors. It's a 2 step process. I doubt the politicians will be dumb enough to take on the oil industry AND the coal industry at the same time? Why pick 2 fights at once. Best idea is a carbon tax to the coal power plants that is basically next to nothing, and set that way for a decade. That way it does no harm, but the writing is on the wall. The tax exists and will only grow with time, chose nuclear instead. In the meantime, the politicians invest all energy in attacking oil. That is the plan, according to divine intuition, of course. Join the jihad against oil www.oiljihad.org We first need vehicles like the Volt, then we need lots of new nuclear reactors. It’s a 2 step process. I doubt the politicians will be dumb enough to take on the oil industry AND the coal industry at the same time? Why pick 2 fights at once.

Best idea is a carbon tax to the coal power plants that is basically next to nothing, and set that way for a decade. That way it does no harm, but the writing is on the wall. The tax exists and will only grow with time, chose nuclear instead. In the meantime, the politicians invest all energy in attacking oil.

That is the plan, according to divine intuition, of course.

Join the jihad against oil
http://www.oiljihad.org

]]> By: Dave http://gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/#comment-5461 Dave Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:18:12 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/#comment-5461 Steven B says "it (coal) is nonrenewable, it’s increasingly expensive and will soon be more expensive than wind power,..." My understanding is that wind power uses up a lot of land and is much more expensive than coal for the same level of power. Do you have a reference that shows otherwise? Guys - don't get me wrong here. I'm not in love with coal. I would love for renewables to replace it. My only point is that when you look at the data, coal isn't that bad. And in the near-term, I think coal can help us make the conversion to PHEVs. Once cars are running on electricity, then hopefully the economics and land use issues of renewables will improve, and renewables will really take off. Steven B says “it (coal) is nonrenewable, it’s increasingly expensive and will soon be more expensive than wind power,…”

My understanding is that wind power uses up a lot of land and is much more expensive than coal for the same level of power. Do you have a reference that shows otherwise?

Guys – don’t get me wrong here. I’m not in love with coal. I would love for renewables to replace it. My only point is that when you look at the data, coal isn’t that bad. And in the near-term, I think coal can help us make the conversion to PHEVs. Once cars are running on electricity, then hopefully the economics and land use issues of renewables will improve, and renewables will really take off.

]]> By: Dave http://gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/#comment-5458 Dave Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:46:08 +0000 http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/08/27/whats-the-hymotion-commotion/#comment-5458 LabRat says: "Driving on electricity is 1/3 the cost of driving on gasoline, but not 1/3 the carbon footprint (do you have a reference)." Yes, here is a reference that shows 1/3 the carbon footprint: http://www.evworld.com/electrichybrid.cfm Also, Tesla has a whitepaper http://www.teslamotors.com/display_data/twentyfirstcenturycar.pdf that compares their Roadster (high-performance sports car EV) to a Prius, with the Roadster running on coal generated from the the least efficient coal burning power plants built in the 1950s. Even under this doubly unfair comparison, the carbon footprint of the Roadster is better than the Prius by a wide margin. Note that this is all without carbon capture. Adding carbon capture makes coal even greener. LabRat says: “Driving on electricity is 1/3 the cost of driving on gasoline, but not 1/3 the carbon footprint (do you have a reference).”

Yes, here is a reference that shows 1/3 the carbon footprint:
http://www.evworld.com/electrichybrid.cfm

Also, Tesla has a whitepaper
http://www.teslamotors.com/display_data/twentyfirstcenturycar.pdf
that compares their Roadster (high-performance sports car EV) to a Prius, with the Roadster running on coal generated from the the least efficient coal burning power plants built in the 1950s. Even under this doubly unfair comparison, the carbon footprint of the Roadster is better than the Prius by a wide margin.

Note that this is all without carbon capture. Adding carbon capture makes coal even greener.

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