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	<title>Comments on: Who Will Dominate the Future Hybrid Market, GM or Toyota?</title>
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		<title>By: THOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>THOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is probably a reason why toyota doesnt use li-ion batteries.

Im sure the tested all option and chose what they felt was best.   

The only thing GM has been able to do is to drive a so called volt / cruse  1.5 miles to the whitehouse at 20MPH  (pretty much a pr stunt)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is probably a reason why toyota doesnt use li-ion batteries.</p>
<p>Im sure the tested all option and chose what they felt was best.   </p>
<p>The only thing GM has been able to do is to drive a so called volt / cruse  1.5 miles to the whitehouse at 20MPH  (pretty much a pr stunt)</p>
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		<title>By: mcharles</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcharles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, GM&#039;s concept car is about as real as my Play-Doh model of a car that runs on pee and produces 500 horsepower.  I, too, can make claims all day long and never back them up.

Secondly, GM has never even produced a full hybrid car for production.  All the GM hybrids are partial--they can&#039;t run on electricity alone like the Prius has done since the first generation.

GM is a marketing company first, a car company second.  They rely on uneducated consumers to ooh and ahh over their promises and then hope that they&#039;ll forget once GM doesn&#039;t deliver and starts on their next set of promises.

I&#039;m amazed that anyone would even compare a Prius that has been out for years to a vaporware Volt.  Watch as time moves on and GM can&#039;t produce live up to their hype.  I can&#039;t wait to laugh at the excuses...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, GM&#8217;s concept car is about as real as my Play-Doh model of a car that runs on pee and produces 500 horsepower.  I, too, can make claims all day long and never back them up.</p>
<p>Secondly, GM has never even produced a full hybrid car for production.  All the GM hybrids are partial&#8211;they can&#8217;t run on electricity alone like the Prius has done since the first generation.</p>
<p>GM is a marketing company first, a car company second.  They rely on uneducated consumers to ooh and ahh over their promises and then hope that they&#8217;ll forget once GM doesn&#8217;t deliver and starts on their next set of promises.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed that anyone would even compare a Prius that has been out for years to a vaporware Volt.  Watch as time moves on and GM can&#8217;t produce live up to their hype.  I can&#8217;t wait to laugh at the excuses&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stormc</title>
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		<dc:creator>stormc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 03:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The EV1 was the right idea at the wrong time&quot; still bugs me. If GM had just run with it, they&#039;d be world leaders instead of nearing bankrupcy.

Don, look for the multifuel capability of the diesel to play heavily in the future. If the Volt had a diesel, it could run on cooking oil or biodiesel or whatever. This is probably the ideal for transportation. There isn&#039;t enough capacity to just run on the biodiesel. 15% biodiesel, 85% electric is doable.

Once the Volt becomes popular, the next step will be pure EV. The Volt is an EV with training wheels. 

If you haven&#039;t seen it, this is a nice story http://portev.org/commentary/living_in_the_past.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The EV1 was the right idea at the wrong time&#8221; still bugs me. If GM had just run with it, they&#8217;d be world leaders instead of nearing bankrupcy.</p>
<p>Don, look for the multifuel capability of the diesel to play heavily in the future. If the Volt had a diesel, it could run on cooking oil or biodiesel or whatever. This is probably the ideal for transportation. There isn&#8217;t enough capacity to just run on the biodiesel. 15% biodiesel, 85% electric is doable.</p>
<p>Once the Volt becomes popular, the next step will be pure EV. The Volt is an EV with training wheels. </p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen it, this is a nice story <a href="http://portev.org/commentary/living_in_the_past.htm" rel="nofollow">http://portev.org/commentary/living_in_the_past.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve asked this in another thread as well but this may be a better venue ... how does the advent of better diesel - low pollution, quiet, high power, and amazing mpg - being released over the next two years, influence the chance for success for this vehicle?

Honda is basically moving to diesel as their high mpg, low carbon play. They&#039;ll still make the hybrid Civic but the hybrid Accord is gone and by 2009 will be a diesel Accord.

I personally think that EV via a PHEV transition phase is the way to go, but if you add in biodiesel into the mix, diesel as an alternative also seems very attractive. 

My hope is that GM learns from Toyota&#039;s playbook and is willing to even take a loss for a season or two to get their sales volumes up to a cost effective point. Despite our enthusiasm and willingness to pre-order without a test drive or review in hand, price and lifetime cost of ownership for a similiarly performing ICE car will be critical factors for most.

BTW re Tesla (and Phoenix too) ... great vehicles but that range and power comes at a pretty penny ... 100K for the roadster and @50K for the Phoenix sport ute (which is at a substantial loss if it wasn&#039;t for California&#039;s ample ZEV credits) &quot;White Star&quot; also won&#039;t be cheap and until rapid recharge is easily doable and widsely available on the road, few of the mainstream will find it attractive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve asked this in another thread as well but this may be a better venue &#8230; how does the advent of better diesel &#8211; low pollution, quiet, high power, and amazing mpg &#8211; being released over the next two years, influence the chance for success for this vehicle?</p>
<p>Honda is basically moving to diesel as their high mpg, low carbon play. They&#8217;ll still make the hybrid Civic but the hybrid Accord is gone and by 2009 will be a diesel Accord.</p>
<p>I personally think that EV via a PHEV transition phase is the way to go, but if you add in biodiesel into the mix, diesel as an alternative also seems very attractive. </p>
<p>My hope is that GM learns from Toyota&#8217;s playbook and is willing to even take a loss for a season or two to get their sales volumes up to a cost effective point. Despite our enthusiasm and willingness to pre-order without a test drive or review in hand, price and lifetime cost of ownership for a similiarly performing ICE car will be critical factors for most.</p>
<p>BTW re Tesla (and Phoenix too) &#8230; great vehicles but that range and power comes at a pretty penny &#8230; 100K for the roadster and @50K for the Phoenix sport ute (which is at a substantial loss if it wasn&#8217;t for California&#8217;s ample ZEV credits) &#8220;White Star&#8221; also won&#8217;t be cheap and until rapid recharge is easily doable and widsely available on the road, few of the mainstream will find it attractive.</p>
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		<title>By: C Miles</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Storm Conners.

Bob Lutz did announce today thet they were going with A123 batteries for delivery this fall- a demo care ready by spring &#039;08.

Lets hope that Bob Lutz is a man of his word.

I think the folks that would think I was Trolling don&#039;t quite get that I WANT this car to happen.

But you know what they say, fool us twice, shame on U.S. 

I think the name IMPACT was a kinda funny choice. Carson had a lot of fun with the name. (and he was a Corvette owner)

The Guys at RENCen have to build a great car, market it properly and provide follow through. Given that Buick just tied Lexus in J.D. Power quality... I have hope this time around.

OH, and the thin tech guy in the Video Standing in front of the Impact? He took his Controller know how and technology to Tesla 

Tesla Sports Coupe : 250-300 Mile Range. Thousands of Lithium Batteries 0-60 in 4.   

Next up; their high end consumer car... Codenamed &quot;White Star.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Storm Conners.</p>
<p>Bob Lutz did announce today thet they were going with A123 batteries for delivery this fall- a demo care ready by spring &#8217;08.</p>
<p>Lets hope that Bob Lutz is a man of his word.</p>
<p>I think the folks that would think I was Trolling don&#8217;t quite get that I WANT this car to happen.</p>
<p>But you know what they say, fool us twice, shame on U.S. </p>
<p>I think the name IMPACT was a kinda funny choice. Carson had a lot of fun with the name. (and he was a Corvette owner)</p>
<p>The Guys at RENCen have to build a great car, market it properly and provide follow through. Given that Buick just tied Lexus in J.D. Power quality&#8230; I have hope this time around.</p>
<p>OH, and the thin tech guy in the Video Standing in front of the Impact? He took his Controller know how and technology to Tesla </p>
<p>Tesla Sports Coupe : 250-300 Mile Range. Thousands of Lithium Batteries 0-60 in 4.   </p>
<p>Next up; their high end consumer car&#8230; Codenamed &#8220;White Star.&#8221;</p>
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