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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/07/14/diesel-volt/#comment-91928</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I take strong objection to the statement that Lutz makes about there being stricter regulations for burning diesel in the US. 

The reason that diesel can be used so freely in Europe is because they use low-sulfur, or in some countries, zero-sulfur diesel. Peugeot has particulate emissions filters that last for over 100,000 miles.

Diesel is, in fact, a much cleaner and efficient fuel in Europe because of the technology over there. GM needs to bring some of that tech over here, and improve on it further.

Case in point: BMW 535d. Diesel engine, 0-60 in 6secs, limited to 155mpg. It&#039;s more efficient, produces less CO2, is quieter, faster and cheaper than its gasoline equivalent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I take strong objection to the statement that Lutz makes about there being stricter regulations for burning diesel in the US. </p>
<p>The reason that diesel can be used so freely in Europe is because they use low-sulfur, or in some countries, zero-sulfur diesel. Peugeot has particulate emissions filters that last for over 100,000 miles.</p>
<p>Diesel is, in fact, a much cleaner and efficient fuel in Europe because of the technology over there. GM needs to bring some of that tech over here, and improve on it further.</p>
<p>Case in point: BMW 535d. Diesel engine, 0-60 in 6secs, limited to 155mpg. It&#8217;s more efficient, produces less CO2, is quieter, faster and cheaper than its gasoline equivalent.</p>
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		<title>By: Alissa Buckley</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/07/14/diesel-volt/#comment-89722</link>
		<dc:creator>Alissa Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Arb</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/07/14/diesel-volt/#comment-59287</link>
		<dc:creator>Arb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Lutz not know about the internet ? Does he think we are stupid consumers who don&#039;t know how to Google ?

Google this - GM sells cars in Europe that meet EURO5/6 that takes affect Jan 2009.

US wide the requirement is Tier 2 BIN5. These standards are in point of fact LESS than EURO5/6.

VW is selling the Jetta diesel here in 2008 in all 50 states, and have nearly filled their 2009 production quota already...

SO, why doesn&#039;t he want a small diesel ? Remember, a small diesel with a set rpm will ALWAYS produce less CO2 and less emmisions than ANY gas / E85 engine can do... 

Answer: the diesel will last nearly as long as the Li-I battery so we will be driving it too long = less sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Lutz not know about the internet ? Does he think we are stupid consumers who don&#8217;t know how to Google ?</p>
<p>Google this &#8211; GM sells cars in Europe that meet EURO5/6 that takes affect Jan 2009.</p>
<p>US wide the requirement is Tier 2 BIN5. These standards are in point of fact LESS than EURO5/6.</p>
<p>VW is selling the Jetta diesel here in 2008 in all 50 states, and have nearly filled their 2009 production quota already&#8230;</p>
<p>SO, why doesn&#8217;t he want a small diesel ? Remember, a small diesel with a set rpm will ALWAYS produce less CO2 and less emmisions than ANY gas / E85 engine can do&#8230; </p>
<p>Answer: the diesel will last nearly as long as the Li-I battery so we will be driving it too long = less sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/07/14/diesel-volt/#comment-3314</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vice-Chairman Bob Lutz reasons for not using a diesel engine are just lame excuses that have no basis in fact.  Currently GM offers numerous gasoline engine options on all of its models. If they were worried about economies of scale then they would not offer such a variety of engine sizes.  Mr. Lutz sites the different state regulations.  Again this does not wash as gasoline engines have in the past had different emission equipment to accommodate the California more strict standards.  While mass production may be more difficult it has not proven a too difficult hurdle to overcome in the past.  He next sites the need to inject urea, which is used to reduce the Nitrous Oxide emissions.  This is just one more excuse for inaction.  Honda is rising to the challenge and will soon be offering a clean diesel that meets all the emission requirement of all 50 state.  GM why can’t you?  It is no wonder that GM continues to lose market share.  All they do is whine about how difficult life is instead of rising to the challenge.  

Other manufactures have risen to the challenge and are taking market share.  Volkswagen has much smaller economies of scale, yet they offer a diesel engine.  I drive a diesel Jetta and my daughter drives a diesel Beetle, which get 48 and 50 MPG respectively.  Yet GM does not offer a diesel engine car.  The excuse is that the American public doesn’t want a diesel engine.  Why is this true?  Could it be that during the last oil crises GM brought out diesel engined cars that were junk?  They converted gas engines to run on diesel, which turn out to be unreliable.    Management was more interested in a quick buck then the customer’s long-term well being.  This same management philosophy plays out in other area as well.  For example it is well known that 90% of all engine wear occurs in the first few second of engine operation.  To address this issue both German and Japanese auto makers have check valves in the engine lubrication systems.  These valves prevent the engine oil from draining out of the engine when it is turned off, thus insuring that the engine has lubrication available for starting.  Detroit engines do not have this innovation.  As a result Detroit engines start to burn oil just a few years after purchase.  Whereas the Japanese engines will continue to run, with out the obligatory blue cloud, for at least 100,000 miles if not 200,000 miles.  My diesel Jetta has passed 200,000 miles and is headed for 300,000 miles.  The American public may not know why these other engines are so durable they just know that an American engine is not durable and “appears” to be of lower quality.  When in fact it is not a quality issue it is a management issue.  Management has to decide to order the engineering change that will extend engine life knowing full well that the car will not wear out so quickly and sales will suffer.  But will they suffer?  Yes in the short run because the engines will last longer.  But, in the long run a reputation for quality will be reestablished and market share will return. Looks like a Win, Win situation to me.
Vice-Chairman Bob Lutz if you want to recapture GM’s glory days, stop making excuses and offer the American public a car that is superior to the competition.  American’s want to buy an American cars, give them something that is worth buying.  If you are unwilling then it wouldn’t surprise me that GM will go the way of the Hudson and the Studebaker.  The American public will not continue to buy product that they perceive to be inferior when alternatives are available.

Mr. Lutz it may be more expedient to only offer the Volt from the beginning with only a gas engine since it is off the shelf technology then say so.  But please don’t insult us by making a bunch of excuses.  Stop playing the victim, stop making excuses.  Excuse makers never win!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vice-Chairman Bob Lutz reasons for not using a diesel engine are just lame excuses that have no basis in fact.  Currently GM offers numerous gasoline engine options on all of its models. If they were worried about economies of scale then they would not offer such a variety of engine sizes.  Mr. Lutz sites the different state regulations.  Again this does not wash as gasoline engines have in the past had different emission equipment to accommodate the California more strict standards.  While mass production may be more difficult it has not proven a too difficult hurdle to overcome in the past.  He next sites the need to inject urea, which is used to reduce the Nitrous Oxide emissions.  This is just one more excuse for inaction.  Honda is rising to the challenge and will soon be offering a clean diesel that meets all the emission requirement of all 50 state.  GM why can’t you?  It is no wonder that GM continues to lose market share.  All they do is whine about how difficult life is instead of rising to the challenge.  </p>
<p>Other manufactures have risen to the challenge and are taking market share.  Volkswagen has much smaller economies of scale, yet they offer a diesel engine.  I drive a diesel Jetta and my daughter drives a diesel Beetle, which get 48 and 50 MPG respectively.  Yet GM does not offer a diesel engine car.  The excuse is that the American public doesn’t want a diesel engine.  Why is this true?  Could it be that during the last oil crises GM brought out diesel engined cars that were junk?  They converted gas engines to run on diesel, which turn out to be unreliable.    Management was more interested in a quick buck then the customer’s long-term well being.  This same management philosophy plays out in other area as well.  For example it is well known that 90% of all engine wear occurs in the first few second of engine operation.  To address this issue both German and Japanese auto makers have check valves in the engine lubrication systems.  These valves prevent the engine oil from draining out of the engine when it is turned off, thus insuring that the engine has lubrication available for starting.  Detroit engines do not have this innovation.  As a result Detroit engines start to burn oil just a few years after purchase.  Whereas the Japanese engines will continue to run, with out the obligatory blue cloud, for at least 100,000 miles if not 200,000 miles.  My diesel Jetta has passed 200,000 miles and is headed for 300,000 miles.  The American public may not know why these other engines are so durable they just know that an American engine is not durable and “appears” to be of lower quality.  When in fact it is not a quality issue it is a management issue.  Management has to decide to order the engineering change that will extend engine life knowing full well that the car will not wear out so quickly and sales will suffer.  But will they suffer?  Yes in the short run because the engines will last longer.  But, in the long run a reputation for quality will be reestablished and market share will return. Looks like a Win, Win situation to me.<br />
Vice-Chairman Bob Lutz if you want to recapture GM’s glory days, stop making excuses and offer the American public a car that is superior to the competition.  American’s want to buy an American cars, give them something that is worth buying.  If you are unwilling then it wouldn’t surprise me that GM will go the way of the Hudson and the Studebaker.  The American public will not continue to buy product that they perceive to be inferior when alternatives are available.</p>
<p>Mr. Lutz it may be more expedient to only offer the Volt from the beginning with only a gas engine since it is off the shelf technology then say so.  But please don’t insult us by making a bunch of excuses.  Stop playing the victim, stop making excuses.  Excuse makers never win!</p>
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		<title>By: John FK</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/07/14/diesel-volt/#comment-3131</link>
		<dc:creator>John FK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laszlo Pollak: Thank you for the link and bringing your points up! 

I made exactly those points. I think the government should support GM and America in rolling out the Volt that in the same way that JFK had the audacity to send America to the moon before the end of the 60&#039;s today&#039;s President should commit America to having 50% of the autos on it&#039;s roads using e-Flex technology by 2015! And back it up with as much money as it takes to get the job done.

The money spent subsidizing this transformation will be earned backed with decreased health problems, decreased environmental problems, and decreased (actually NO oil imports) oil imports by the year 2030! After that it is massive savings and better health and environment for all Americans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laszlo Pollak: Thank you for the link and bringing your points up! </p>
<p>I made exactly those points. I think the government should support GM and America in rolling out the Volt that in the same way that JFK had the audacity to send America to the moon before the end of the 60&#8217;s today&#8217;s President should commit America to having 50% of the autos on it&#8217;s roads using e-Flex technology by 2015! And back it up with as much money as it takes to get the job done.</p>
<p>The money spent subsidizing this transformation will be earned backed with decreased health problems, decreased environmental problems, and decreased (actually NO oil imports) oil imports by the year 2030! After that it is massive savings and better health and environment for all Americans!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/07/14/diesel-volt/#comment-2820</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This D-Cycle engine looks interesting for the range extender.  It\&#039;s a double acting 4-stroke which gives power on every stroke.  It has the power of a standard 4-stroke in half the size.  Take a look http://www.yanengines.com/  Imagine making this an HCCI for a more complete burn and greater efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This D-Cycle engine looks interesting for the range extender.  It\&#8217;s a double acting 4-stroke which gives power on every stroke.  It has the power of a standard 4-stroke in half the size.  Take a look <a href="http://www.yanengines.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.yanengines.com/</a>  Imagine making this an HCCI for a more complete burn and greater efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell J</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/07/14/diesel-volt/#comment-2806</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has GM considered a stirling engine to drive the generator. From my understanding, the stirling is the most efficient combustion engine there is and also is completely silent. The Swedes use them to power their submarines. Although they have extremely poor power response, this would not be a factor in driving a generator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has GM considered a stirling engine to drive the generator. From my understanding, the stirling is the most efficient combustion engine there is and also is completely silent. The Swedes use them to power their submarines. Although they have extremely poor power response, this would not be a factor in driving a generator.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt986</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/07/14/diesel-volt/#comment-2800</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt986</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JohnH,

Comparing the Volt to the Tesla is apples to oranges.  

The Tesla is - a light high performance two seat roadster.  It simply doesn&#039;t take a lot of energy to make a lighter vehicle GO.  I&#039;m sure if you wail on it, and drive it like you stole it, that ~200 mile range will be SIGNIFICANTLY reduced. 

And again, once it&#039;s discharged, your only option is to plug it in to recharge. 

The Volt will be a more practical vehicle.  This means it will be BIGGER and HEAVIER.  

MAYBE if the Tesla&#039;s battery pack were put in a Volt chassis, it might get more than 40 miles range, but it wouldn&#039;t be very significant. 

See, in EVs, weight is a HUGE hurdle.  Weight will reduce the range on battery by a much larger factor than a vehicle powered by an ICE.  

For you, and people that have to commute more than 40 miles a day, consider the Volt a hybrid, because that&#039;s what it will be for you.  If you don&#039;t want that, you&#039;ll have to wait for something else.... 

... like maybe the ZAP-X.  It will have a much greater range on battery... but it will cost about $60,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnH,</p>
<p>Comparing the Volt to the Tesla is apples to oranges.  </p>
<p>The Tesla is &#8211; a light high performance two seat roadster.  It simply doesn&#8217;t take a lot of energy to make a lighter vehicle GO.  I&#8217;m sure if you wail on it, and drive it like you stole it, that ~200 mile range will be SIGNIFICANTLY reduced. </p>
<p>And again, once it&#8217;s discharged, your only option is to plug it in to recharge. </p>
<p>The Volt will be a more practical vehicle.  This means it will be BIGGER and HEAVIER.  </p>
<p>MAYBE if the Tesla&#8217;s battery pack were put in a Volt chassis, it might get more than 40 miles range, but it wouldn&#8217;t be very significant. </p>
<p>See, in EVs, weight is a HUGE hurdle.  Weight will reduce the range on battery by a much larger factor than a vehicle powered by an ICE.  </p>
<p>For you, and people that have to commute more than 40 miles a day, consider the Volt a hybrid, because that&#8217;s what it will be for you.  If you don&#8217;t want that, you&#8217;ll have to wait for something else&#8230;. </p>
<p>&#8230; like maybe the ZAP-X.  It will have a much greater range on battery&#8230; but it will cost about $60,000.</p>
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		<title>By: JOHN H</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/07/14/diesel-volt/#comment-2797</link>
		<dc:creator>JOHN H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ziv, Thanks. No problem. I agree that multiple vehicle types with this type of a flex system would be a good idea. SUVs and minivans are the vehicle of choice here in Northern VA and an alternative for these vehicles would be great. Certainly for long trips, the Volt is better than an all electric vehicle. My concern is that GM claims that over a 40 mile range is not feasible right now, but the Tesla is supposed to have a 250 mile range. If a small company like Tesla can do it with Lithium Ion batteries currently available, why can&#039;t GM? I guess I am voicing some frustration over not having any choices other than my current Hybrid which is essentially just a gas powered vehicle with some electric assist. A plug in hybrid of any kind would be an improvement over my current vehicle. 
BTW, cce, in an ideal world no one should live further than 20 miles from work, but we know this is not an ideal world. There are many reasons that people live more than 20 miles from work. The most common I believe is the price of housing and/or the type of housing available close to their work. Here in Northern VA, prices closer to the metro area are much higher than outlying towns. Not all of us want to work AND live in the city. A condo or townhouse isn&#039;t all that appealing to me. I grew up in a smaller town and much prefer a single family home with a yard. To get that, I commuted over 40 miles each way to and from Cambridge Mass when I lived in Massachusetts. I drove a 1984 Honda CRX as a commuter car that never got less than 50 mpg. I wish I could say the same about my 2005 Hybrid which is averaging only about 37 mpg. 21 years later and getting worse mileage than I did with my CRX. This isn&#039;t progress. I hope the Volt is built and it is a great success. I do hope the range is extended in the electric only mode. Sorry if I was a little heavy handed in my comments earlier. I wouldn&#039;t be monitoring and posting here if I didn&#039;t want this vehicle to be built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ziv, Thanks. No problem. I agree that multiple vehicle types with this type of a flex system would be a good idea. SUVs and minivans are the vehicle of choice here in Northern VA and an alternative for these vehicles would be great. Certainly for long trips, the Volt is better than an all electric vehicle. My concern is that GM claims that over a 40 mile range is not feasible right now, but the Tesla is supposed to have a 250 mile range. If a small company like Tesla can do it with Lithium Ion batteries currently available, why can&#8217;t GM? I guess I am voicing some frustration over not having any choices other than my current Hybrid which is essentially just a gas powered vehicle with some electric assist. A plug in hybrid of any kind would be an improvement over my current vehicle.<br />
BTW, cce, in an ideal world no one should live further than 20 miles from work, but we know this is not an ideal world. There are many reasons that people live more than 20 miles from work. The most common I believe is the price of housing and/or the type of housing available close to their work. Here in Northern VA, prices closer to the metro area are much higher than outlying towns. Not all of us want to work AND live in the city. A condo or townhouse isn&#8217;t all that appealing to me. I grew up in a smaller town and much prefer a single family home with a yard. To get that, I commuted over 40 miles each way to and from Cambridge Mass when I lived in Massachusetts. I drove a 1984 Honda CRX as a commuter car that never got less than 50 mpg. I wish I could say the same about my 2005 Hybrid which is averaging only about 37 mpg. 21 years later and getting worse mileage than I did with my CRX. This isn&#8217;t progress. I hope the Volt is built and it is a great success. I do hope the range is extended in the electric only mode. Sorry if I was a little heavy handed in my comments earlier. I wouldn&#8217;t be monitoring and posting here if I didn&#8217;t want this vehicle to be built.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve F</title>
		<link>http://gm-volt.com/2007/07/14/diesel-volt/#comment-2794</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, GM has to start somewhere.  The Volt
with 40 mile electric range may not fit everyones needs, but it is only the beginning.  I am sure that as large numbers start purchasing the Volt, that GM will start offering 50 mile and 60 mile electric ranges.  This is based on GM getting more experience and the battery technology continue to improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, GM has to start somewhere.  The Volt<br />
with 40 mile electric range may not fit everyones needs, but it is only the beginning.  I am sure that as large numbers start purchasing the Volt, that GM will start offering 50 mile and 60 mile electric ranges.  This is based on GM getting more experience and the battery technology continue to improve.</p>
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